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Kalok	Posted - 2003.10.21 08:40:00 - [1] How do I fit 5 miner's 2 two at a Thorax giving up as little of my low slot's? What skills and gadgets do I require? I am having great troubles doing it and am boosting my energy management skill since I lack cpu. However even with this at the highest level (going to l4 now) I can figure out I will be short. SO how do you guy's do it? I want as much low slots free for cargo expanders (not doing macro's!) since the cargo hold of a Thorax kinda sux compared to the drone bay Greetz, Kalok
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.21 08:55:00 - [2] Get Electronics 5 and get some named co-processors such as Nano-Electronical and Photonic. I've never used co-processors much so I don't know if those are the best ones but they were damn good before they got nerfed. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kalok	Posted - 2003.10.21 09:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Kalok on 21/10/2003 09:59:45 Energy mangement gives 5% to the capacitor capacity while electronics gives 5% to the cpu output. So they basicly do the same? Greetz, Kalok.
Bain	Posted - 2003.10.21 09:18:00 - [4] No, CPU and Capacitor are 2 different things, you need to train electronics to lvl5 for more CPU
Kalok	Posted - 2003.10.21 10:03:00 - [5] Thx for clearing things up for me. Any other usefull gadgets besides co- processors? Is there a gadget or skill to boost the drilling range of the miner? I am also having trouble targeting monster roids! Greetz, Kalok
Mazer	Posted - 2003.10.21 18:10:00 - [6] From what I know there are no items out there that increase the range of mining lasers, you'll just have to find a nice warp in spot or mine a path into the other roids. If your having troubles with cargo space after you've mounted enough nice co-proccessors I suggest hunting for or buying some expanders. If you still need more cargo space after that, space out your activation of the mining lasers so half of the ore is dumped into your cargo, then the other half 30 seconds later so you have to time to drag and drop before your cargo hold gets full.
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2003.10.21 18:18:00 - [7] Quote: Thx for clearing things up for me. Any other usefull gadgets besides co- processors? Is there a gadget or skill to boost the drilling range of the miner? I am also having trouble targeting monster roids! Greetz, Kalok You need a battleship''s targetting range to hit those puppies. You could try sensor boosters I guess, I never tried. My Thorax couldn't do it, but the Dominix could easily. BTW unless you are unlawfully macro-mining, your best Gallente cruiser for Miner II use is the Vexor, as you can only really fit 4 miner IIs on any cruiser realistically (having say just 1 afterburner fitted as well, for example ) and the Vexor has a big enough hold to accept a full "tick" of ore rom 4 miner IIs and 9 Harvesters, while the Thorax doesnt.. BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Powder	Posted - 2003.10.21 18:42:00 - [8] Edited by: Powder on 21/10/2003 18:44:28 nope your wrong, 5 fit just fine. My current load out for mining in my thorax is : 5 x miner 2 6 x harvesters 2 x ogres 1 x roid scanner 1 x named cpu 2 x 19% expanders 1 x named nanofiber yes you are a little limited but really i dont see why a shield booster or after burners are needed if your mining in .5 or above space, if it were 0.0 space then well that be a little diffrent, for one i wouldnt fit 5 miner 2's in 0.0 space with out cover and if i did i would probably drop one of the expanders for a 2nd cpu to fit a shield booster. edit: BS targeting range? damn dude where you buying the miners that are hitting out at 60km cause dump those on the trade channel
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2003.10.21 19:06:00 - [9] Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 21/10/2003 19:08:27 Quote: Edited by: Powder on 21/10/2003 18:44:28 nope your wrong, 5 fit just fine. My current load out for mining in my thorax is : 5 x miner 2 6 x harvesters 2 x ogres 1 x roid scanner 1 x named cpu 2 x 19% expanders 1 x named nanofiber yes you are a little limited but really i dont see why a shield booster or after burners are needed if your mining in .5 or above space, if it were 0.0 space then well that be a little diffrent, for one i wouldnt fit 5 miner 2's in 0.0 space with out cover and if i did i would probably drop one of the expanders for a 2nd cpu to fit a shield booster. edit: BS targeting range? damn dude where you buying the miners that are hitting out at 60km cause dump those on the trade channel 1. Try a Scordite planet some time and you won't be laughing. Targetting isn't from the outer edge of the roid. I've mined from inside the skin of some of these, with the roid scanner showing it as -3333 metres away, and yet couldn't target it with a cruiser's targetting range, only a BSes. OTOH mining lasers range assumes you cut from the skin of the roid. Yet another charming contradiction in the coding of EVE. 2. Any way you slice it, the loadout you're posting for that Thorax is a macro-mining loadout. Even with 5 Dual Diodes and only 8 Harvesters, I was almost overflowing the cargohold of a Thorax using 5 good expanders. To run your set-up you'd have to stagger every laser and somehow manage to pull the ore to the can every 10 to 15 seconds for hours on end, with just one mistake shutting lasers down or idling drones. That's not a practical setup if it's a human hand moving with a real mouse.... BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Jideo	Posted - 2003.10.21 19:15:00 - [10] Quote: You need a battleship''s targetting range to hit those puppies. You could try sensor boosters I guess, I never tried. My Thorax couldn't do it, but the Dominix could easily. Not always true. A corpmate and I were mining a giant scordite roid yesterday. Yes, I was in a Megathron, but she was in an Imicus. She didn't have any problems locking and mining. We were both inside the roid (shows negative range).
Nemiyen	Posted - 2003.10.21 19:20:00 - [11] Quote: Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 21/10/2003 19:08:27 Quote: Edited by: Powder on 21/10/2003 18:44:28 nope your wrong, 5 fit just fine. My current load out for mining in my thorax is : 5 x miner 2 6 x harvesters 2 x ogres 1 x roid scanner 1 x named cpu 2 x 19% expanders 1 x named nanofiber yes you are a little limited but really i dont see why a shield booster or after burners are needed if your mining in .5 or above space, if it were 0.0 space then well that be a little diffrent, for one i wouldnt fit 5 miner 2's in 0.0 space with out cover and if i did i would probably drop one of the expanders for a 2nd cpu to fit a shield booster. edit: BS targeting range? damn dude where you buying the miners that are hitting out at 60km cause dump those on the trade channel 1. Try a Scordite planet some time and you won't be laughing. Targetting isn't from the outer edge of the roid. I've mined from inside the skin of some of these, with the roid scanner showing it as -3333 metres away, and yet couldn't target it with a cruiser's targetting range, only a BSes. OTOH mining lasers range assumes you cut from the skin of the roid. Yet another charming contradiction in the coding of EVE. 2. Any way you slice it, the loadout you're posting for that Thorax is a macro-mining loadout. Even with 5 Dual Diodes and only 8 Harvesters, I was almost overflowing the cargohold of a Thorax using 5 good expanders. To run your set-up you'd have to stagger every laser and somehow manage to pull the ore to the can every 10 to 15 seconds for hours on end, with just one mistake shutting lasers down or idling drones. That's not a practical setup if it's a human hand moving with a real mouse.... BW It's not difficult at all, just stagger them every 10 seconds and stick your cargo can box right next to the cargo bay box and it will take... 1-2 seconds tops to drag the ore accross. It's a pain in the butt for sure... I know, I did it till I had a BS, I didn't use a macro at all it just takes patience and dedication to sit at your PC for hours . I do however have a TV right above my monitor so I can watch / play at the same time
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2003.10.21 19:21:00 - [12] Quote: Not always true. A corpmate and I were mining a giant scordite roid yesterday. Yes, I was in a Megathron, but she was in an Imicus. She didn't have any problems locking and mining. We were both inside the roid (shows negative range). By Giant Scordite, are you talking about one of the planetoids that, if you warp to the belt, immediately eject you 10K kms from the belt, and can only be approached with a custom BM made by a much smaller ship (usually a shuttle)? Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Jideo	Posted - 2003.10.21 19:39:00 - [13] Quote: By Giant Scordite, are you talking about one of the planetoids that, if you warp to the belt, immediately eject you 10K kms from the belt, and can only be approached with a custom BM made by a much smaller ship (usually a shuttle)? When I warped to the belt with my BS, I came out of the belt inside the belt and I was not ejected. I stopped the ship, zoomed out completely, targetted the outside of the biggest roid (220km radius) and started mining. When my corpmate got there with her Imicus, she couldn't get to the belt without being ejected. By that time I had mined out the 220km roid and the next biggest was 180km. She was able to stay in the belt after we ganged and she was able to use the warp to me option. She was mining the 180km fine and was inside the roid.
Powder	Posted - 2003.10.21 21:00:00 - [14] what does it target from when your inside the roid? also i dont really have to much trouble keeping up with my mining config, the extra expanders keep the ore from the miners from spilling out and i just unload the harvesters soon as they come in, and yes a tv and/or a good movie help too. granted i cant be to far from the computer for more then a minute or so at most, but i do pull about 200k of scordite an hour and i dont have my mining skilled up. Also maybe i didnt understnad this right but the miners have aprox 10-12km range right, so even if you can target something 60km off you couldnt actually get any ore could you? or does it pull from the skin of the roid? also havnt came up agenst any of those planet sized roids only really have to deal with station size ones really.
Kalok	Posted - 2003.10.21 22:04:00 - [15] At the moment I use three 19.6 % expanders, 4 miner two and one ep-s guassian 1 excavation pulse miner. I have need two co-processors to get the cpu I need. For this reason I wanted to know what skills could help boost the cpu to find enough energy to comfortly mine away without using macro's. Sofar the only usefUll skill reported is electronics. I like to thank everybody for his comments. I will boost this skill up to 4 and 5 the coming week to see if I can fit the last miner2 and have enough low slots over to fit at least three big expanders. Greetz, Kalok.
Krashtest	Posted - 2003.10.23 11:38:00 - [16] Instead of useing co-processors , try to get some Photonic CPU's or Photonic CPU I's , they boost the cpu a bit more than the regular market co-processors. Your Mega Afocal Pulse Maser I perfectly strikes Asteroid (Veldspar) [R0ME], wrecking for 798.3 damage. Your 425mm Railgun I perfectly strikes Guardian Captain, wrecking for 685.9 damage.

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