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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.09.14 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tammarr on 14/09/2006 15:12:21
Greetings.
Well, I got a cyclone and it will be going up against a friends brutix later, I know he likes to be closeand I dont got mwd skill yet so I must fight him close.
Basicly I need something that might suprise him and take him out, note he can use t2 drones while I cannot :(
Current:
High:
5x425mm Autocannons
3xMed Noses
Med:
1xL SB
1x10mn ABII(If he decides to go for something more far off I want to get in close)
1xThermal Hardener, 1xKinetic Hardener,1xinvul field
Lows:
1xDamage control
2xCounterbalanced weapon mounts.
1xTracking Enhancer
Ehm, Well, throw me a bone or two.
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.14 15:18:00 -
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you need 2 webber and keep him at 7-8000m, then rip him apart with your autocannons.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.09.14 15:20:00 -
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If he gets in close, you lose. Keeping him at 8-9k with a dual web could be a solution, although his inertia might take him into blaster effective range anyway. Really, your best bet is to run directly away from him and spam click your webbers as soon as he's near their max range. Then try not to let him accidentally get out of web range; try 'keep at range' for about 8.5k. Then like the man above said, autocannon him in the face.
You could really do with an MWD :)
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.09.14 15:21:00 -
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So I should simply try to time his approach, web him twice as he webs me once, hit my ab and try to move away from him so my acs can hit him. Sounds like a simple enough idea ^_^
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Guurzak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.14 15:23:00 -
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You're not going to be a blaster brutix with conventional fittings if he can dictate range. You might try webber drones to get a speed advantage, or an ewar module of some sort.
2 kinetic + 1 therm will absorb significantly more damage than kin+therm+invul unless he's using explosive or emp drones, and probably even then.
Use your ammo flexibility to hit his weak spots. You might try phased plasma.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.09.14 15:24:00 -
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Don't bother with an AB. Given that he's going to be in range of you anyway, it's a wasted slot. If you have one more web than him, you should be fine.
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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.09.14 15:32:00 -
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Key is keeping your distance. The brutix can put out a diabolical amount of DPS for a ship that uses Medium weapons. Your highs are setup right (except if you can use t2 220mm's or 425mm's with barrage ammo you'll have a good range advantage), but the med's and lows need to be changed.
1x LSB (t2 prefrably)
1x Thermal Hardener
1x EM hardener
2x Web
3x Gyro (the best you can afford)
1x Damage Control
Not sure what ammo to go for, I generally go with EMP as it does good damage against both shield and armor, but considering you know your enemy you may opt for something more efficient against armor tanks (something with higher explosive and kinetic/thermal damage).
Load up with 3x medium drones and 2x light drones.
The 2x web will insure you control the range (to a certain extent, your brutix friend will sport at least 1 as well). The second he gets within 10km, hit both of them. Don't head straight into him (on the inital approach). Use your drones to take out his. If he starts recalling his drones simply have them target him and leave them there.
Tell me how it goes, I mainly fly the Cyclone and haven't really run accross any Brutix pilots.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
United Univers
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Posted - 2006.09.14 17:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Tammarr
Edited by: Tammarr on 14/09/2006 15:12:21
Greetings.
Well, I got a cyclone and it will be going up against a friends brutix later, I know he likes to be closeand I dont got mwd skill yet so I must fight him close.
Basicly I need something that might suprise him and take him out, note he can use t2 drones while I cannot :(
Current:
High:
5x425mm Autocannons
3xMed Noses
Med:
1xL SB
1x10mn ABII(If he decides to go for something more far off I want to get in close)
1xThermal Hardener, 1xKinetic Hardener,1xinvul field
Lows:
1xDamage control
2xCounterbalanced weapon mounts.
1xTracking Enhancer
Ehm, Well, throw me a bone or two.
Someone has mentioned that you should use your drones to take out his. This in theory is a nice idea, but Tech II drones are much harder and tougher than tech 1, and if that's all you have you could be in trouble from those alone. His drones will eat yours alive and get fat doing so..
You may consider using 3 x med nos II and that would drain his cap (12km range)so he won't be able to tank and then you could hold him at 10km or so with the dual web setup and let your ACs do their best.
Just be prepared for him to use differnet tactics though as he may fit rails instead of blasters and never need come within 15km of you and then his guns and his drones will lay the smack down on you, especially if he's using medium tech II drones.
Well I'm a Brutix pilot and have engaged Cyclones and Vagas, and from their point of view it was a sad day. The Brutix is devastating if the pilot has the right skills and experience. Just don't be upset if this proves to be the case, just keep refining your setups till you find a happy medium, or flee if you can't. 
Hope this helps,
Justice 
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.14 17:52:00 -
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I think for the moment ur friend will have the upper hand and most likely win. However once u have better drone/gun skills u will be a good match for him. Btw i suggest using fusion for his armor tank...lest hes crazy and tries a shield tank...which im sure he wouldnt dare...
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.14 18:45:00 -
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You don't have the MWD skill and he can use T2 stuff? I suspect you're going to die, but try:
Guns+Nos
XL Booster
Invuln. field
Cap injector
2x racial ECM (magnetometric I think, but check that) <- win button
(no scrambler as this is for a duel)
Damage control, gyros, PDUs as appropriate
Bring light drones and use them against his drones.
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Arknox
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Posted - 2006.09.14 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Arknox on 14/09/2006 19:23:08
Originally by: K1K1R1K1
Key is keeping your distance. The brutix can put out a diabolical amount of DPS for a ship that uses Medium weapons. Your highs are setup right (except if you can use t2 220mm's or 425mm's with barrage ammo you'll have a good range advantage), but the med's and lows need to be changed.
1x LSB (t2 prefrably)
1x Thermal Hardener
1x EM hardener
2x Web
3x Gyro (the best you can afford)
1x Damage Control
*some text*
Tell me how it goes, I mainly fly the Cyclone and haven't really run accross any Brutix pilots.
well its obvious you havn't fought any gallente ship
he will be useing T2 hammers 90% sure so fit a thermal and kinetic hardner instead of emp since blasters don't do emp dmg 
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Enmel
Minmatar
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.14 19:34:00 -
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Id'd go a 4x4 split with 4x425s and 4xNOS.
Then a L XL-C5 SB if you can't fit t2. 1xThermal 1xKinetic hardeners 2xWeb
2xPDU2, and 2xGyros
As has Testy said, dual web him as soon as he gets in range, and then use keep-at-range at around 8km
Use EMP M it will strip his shields really nicely, and will also cause him some problems with his armour tank, if it doesn't do enough damage, switch to fusion.
The NOS will allow you to keep your Booster running, whilst at the same time diminishing his cap to the point where he won't be able to run his reppers, at which point you win.
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Yakov Krasnov
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:17:00 -
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Don't forget about the drones!
If he's got T2 drones and you have T1, you might want to keep your drones docked and hit his drones with a smartbomb a few times to kill them off, then deploy yours to boost your DPS. The drones on their own would be enough to kill you if he nosses you into caplessness.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:52:00 -
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to ALL of the above posts: WROOOONNNNNGGG. Wrong wrong wrong.
Armor tank it. Fill the extra mids with ECM. Kill his drones off first. Then go to town on him as he sits there while you nos the crap outta his cap. Your highs are appropriate. Just fit the mids with ab/web/scram/ECM and then the lows with a med rep, some resists, and you're set. Oh, and if you fit best named Gallente ECM (Hypnos jammer) You're going to keep him jammed 95% of the time with only 2 ECM.
I don't know why anyone would shield tank ANY ship, regardless of what it's boni are, when you can use ECM. ECM completely rules all other mods. I'd kill for a 5th mid on my Megathron. And yes, I already have a Vindi. :p
Because I said so...
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Arknox
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:56:00 -
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Whats the fun in keeping him jammed 95% of the time ?
its boring as hell 
but then again some people just feel good about themselfs when they get that killmail 
i'm supprised no one said 4x wcs in lows 
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Mintless
AYDS
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Posted - 2006.09.14 22:56:00 -
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In short, if you have to specifically fit for this 1v1 and think hard about all the advice being given here, your friend has already won.
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Player 2
Minmatar
Xenobytes
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:05:00 -
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5x425, 2xshield extenders, 3xgyro, DC, em drones, all other optional, but choose damage if possible. BC damage too high for tanking... Aproach and show true brutality for teh brutix :)
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.15 00:54:00 -
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Quote:
hilfe hilfe
What exactly is that then?
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.09.15 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Quote:
hilfe hilfe
What exactly is that then?
German for "Help Help"
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.15 04:07:00 -
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armor tank it and just fit as many gallante jammers as you can.
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.15 05:53:00 -
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First 2x Webs won't save you since any brutix worth his stones will have t2 guns and null ammo
Second Not all brutix are blaster brutix. my nostix is actaully a very scary ship to meet and i've taken down may ships who want to try that keep at 9km range BS
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Alupigus1
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.15 09:23:00 -
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Since you can't use a mwd and 10mn ab won't help you use a 100mn ab (tech II is possible).
Also i suppose you don't have skills for tech II guns.
5 x 650mm medium artillery (best you can find)
3 x rocket laucher (best you can find)
1 x 100mn ab II
1 x medium shield booster
1 x medium electrochemical cap booster
1 x webber (just in case he manage to get close)
1 x frea slot of your choice.. a racial gallente or a scram i guess
2 x reactor control unit I
2 x local hull nanofibre
Ideea is to have a bigger speed than he, you already have greater agility due local nanos.
If he's faster you're toast.
Keep him in 15-17km range, first go for his drones using yours and rockets.
Use your own webber to keep distance if he gets under 10km.
It will take a while to kill him though with only those 650's.
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.15 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: James Snowscoran on 15/09/2006 09:34:39
Lots of ECM will win you the day, as lots of people have said 
I'd bring 3 racials, then he's pretty ******. In the remaining 2 meds fit injector and a large shield booster, just in case. Then you gank up with damage mods in your lows, or pdus as appropriate. 3 nos and 5 guns of whatever size you can fit in highs.
Remember to nuke his drones at first sight since they can fire even when he's jammed if he gets to stick them on you. Might need a web for those tbh, unless your drone skills are good enough that your drones can take out his relatively quickly.
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Hoshi Masurao
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Posted - 2006.09.15 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi Masurao on 15/09/2006 10:04:38
From what the OP said, he's fighting a mate. If you don't want your mate to think you're a complete lamer, don't use ECM. I'm not denying it's effective, but its not a real fight.
Also, I doubt if its a mate you'll be popping each other, so scrammer is wasted slot. Anyhow, if you are popping each other, it still unneccessary.
I don't know about setups, but keeping the brutix at range is a must. Might be worth fitting 3x web at the cost of tank, my T2 Neutrons don't hit very hard at 9km-10km, even with Sharpshooter V. Don't forget that in falloff, you get -50% DPS.
Think I'd 4x nos him to help with the lack of tank, due to the 3x web, and whittle him down with ACs. Also, I don't think a smart bomb for his drones is such a bad idea...
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Danielle Desire
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Posted - 2006.09.15 10:22:00 -
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Besides: if he decides to use iridium charges instead of antimatter he's gonna waste you anyway at 8km. All 7 blasters will hit you then. So in this case your only chance would be to keep him beyond 11-12km, but that is kinda difficult if you cannot fit MWD. Webberdrones might help but i assume you cannot use them yet.
cheers
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Galen Silas
Gallente
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2006.09.15 14:31:00 -
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You will beat him if you setup specificaly to fight him, if thats the case and he does the same thing you could be in trouble, whenyou 1v1 someone you go out there with the pvp setup you are going to use on that ship nearly everytime yougo out, you can kill almost any ship if you setup specificaly for it,its not that hard, what will really test you is fitting your norm, but watch out if he is using Null ammo and Heavy neutrons there isa good chance he will be able to hit you over 10km. especially if he keeps approaching you on a staright line you will still take some nasty damage and you will wish you had that exrta mid for your tank. one web will do, get a fleeting, and use a tracking distruptor, I cant even count how many times i have fought other ships with there dual webbies and all i had to do was fit mynull and waste em. but generally try to keep your range from him. BTW he will most likely be using cap boosters, so good luck with the NOS.
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