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CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:06:10 - [1] - Quote Greetings Capsuleers and a Happy New Year to you all! As mentioned in CCP Seagull's blog, Proteus will bring a new type of mining anomaly, specifically designed to ensure there are enough mining opportunities in starter and career agent systems for new players. Anomaly Details: Name: Asteroid Belt Remnants Location: Any starter or career agent system NPCs: None Contents: Various small Veldspar roids (smaller than a single strip miner cycle) spread over a large distance & the remnants of previous mining operations. These new anomalies can now be found on Singularity & as always, any feedback is welcome, as well as any reports on issues. Current Known Issues Sleeper NPCs are currently spawning in the site. Thanks in advance! CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski

Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 2227	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:14:17 - [2] - Quote Having answered the question 'where is the ore' late at night in Rookie Help Chat waaaaay to often, I welcome this addition m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Rosewalker Khumaak Flying Circus 150	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:19:47 - [3] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: Current Known Issues Sleeper NPCs are currently spawning in the site. You mean the cute little ones that just poke around and don't pay out a bounty? Sounds like a feature, not a bug to me. Introduce the new players to the lore early! The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
Makari Aeron The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium 172	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:24:23 - [4] - Quote Rosewalker wrote: CCP Lebowski wrote: Current Known Issues Sleeper NPCs are currently spawning in the site. You mean the cute little ones that just poke around and don't pay out a bounty? Sounds like a feature, not a bug to me. Introduce the new players to the lore early! Would really bad bad (but slightly funny) if the sleepers ECM jammed the newbie miners. CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty. CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 494	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:11:34 - [5] - Quote Why jam when they could one shot a venture? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Amak Boma Dragon Factory 55	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:41:25 - [6] - Quote ok so new eve term is "suicide mining" mine as much as u can before your ship explode the small veldspar asteroids. why not include the faction ore to them sush kermite plagioclasse too etc. they should have acceleration gate and allow only mining frigate/ expedition frigate , mining barge , orca access to prevent eventual suicide ganks on rookie pilots. since we have small rookie ore site how about rookie ice site and rookie gas site? lets make rookies to see various type of accessable minerals in high security space. rookies seeing veldspar only will think theres only veldspar . let them have additional content .
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3049	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:42:23 - [7] - Quote I hope the tutorials will be directing the new players to these anomalies, and telling them how the anoms can be found and traveled to. Otherwise they may never know about them. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 3224	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:12:46 - [8] - Quote Amak Boma wrote: ok so new eve term is "suicide mining" mine as much as u can before your ship explode the small veldspar asteroids. why not include the faction ore to them sush kermite plagioclasse too etc. they should have acceleration gate and allow only mining frigate/ expedition frigate , mining barge , orca access to prevent eventual suicide ganks on rookie pilots. since we have small rookie ore site how about rookie ice site and rookie gas site? lets make rookies to see various type of accessable minerals in high security space. rookies seeing veldspar only will think theres only veldspar . let them have additional content . You do realize these are in rookie systems and that ganking rookies in their rookie system gets you at least a temp ban, right? Also, a big fat "no" to anything other than veld in these sites; if they're even slightly valuable then not-rookies will fly around scooping them all up for maximum isk/hr profit and we'll be right back where we currently are with rookies who have no ore.
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1704	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:23:21 - [9] - Quote Rosewalker wrote: CCP Lebowski wrote: Current Known Issues Sleeper NPCs are currently spawning in the site. You mean the cute little ones that just poke around and don't pay out a bounty? Sounds like a feature, not a bug to me. Introduce the new players to the lore early! They will probably get a doomsday in a couple of releases and target everyone who has killed them during Rhea. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Circumstantial Evidence 166	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:30:12 - [10] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: if they're even slightly valuable then not-rookies will fly around scooping them all up for maximum isk/hr profit I don't see a problem, I think it would be neat "flavor" to seed a few higher end ore rocks in each anom: OP says these rocks will be "(smaller than a single strip miner cycle) spread over a large distance" - therefore, terrible isk/hr. This could easily be balanced, while still giving rookies a little surprise.

Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4291	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:17:03 - [11] - Quote This is an excellent idea. I too have seen too many people ask 'where do I do the mining tutorial', especially because I'm AU TZ. The more simple solution, however, would simply be to ban the activation of strip miners in rookie systems. Players who can sit in a Retriever are by definition not total newbies (the ship takes considerably longer to sit in than a battleship does) and should not be able to exploit the rookie system protection to mine in safety. Rookie systems have other resources (level 3+ missions, etc) disabled in them already to compensate for the additional safety - the same should apply to asteroids. Edit: These Sleepers should be programmed to return on April Fools' Day. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 4506	Posted - 2015.01.06 00:37:22 - [12] - Quote Seems like a good idea
RazorDreamz Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 24	Posted - 2015.01.06 03:51:43 - [13] - Quote Case anyone wonders what they look like, here is a quick video of them from the Singularity server: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRgzk8ePx14
El 1974 Green Visstick High 148	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:38:56 - [14] - Quote I don't see any need for such a site. Yes, asteroid belts in rooky systems are cleared out pretty quickly, but there are other belts elsewhere. Rookies should just be pointed at them, so they become less of a rooky. Tell them to look for anomalies and asteroid belts in other systems. Or run missions, many of which contain asteroid belts. Or join a corp where corpmembers can point them to good mining spots and possibly even provide boosts. We don't need an incentive for rookies to stay in their rooky system.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4646	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:36:21 - [15] - Quote El 1974 wrote: I don't see any need for such a site. Yes, asteroid belts in rooky systems are cleared out pretty quickly, but there are other belts elsewhere. Rookies should just be pointed at them, so they become less of a rooky. Tell them to look for anomalies and asteroid belts in other systems. Or run missions, many of which contain asteroid belts. Or join a corp where corpmembers can point them to good mining spots and possibly even provide boosts. We don't need an incentive for rookies to stay in their rooky system. I have to disagree. Which is why I raised the problem to CCP in the first place. It's not a case of 'rookies stay in rookie systems'. It's "rookies take a mission, then have to ask in rookie help 'where can I find some asteroids?' because the belts nearby have been stripped in the first 30 minutes since downtime". We were seeing the same question being asked over and over again in rookie help. Frustrated new players = players who won't stick around. It should be enough to get them started, and keep them around long enough to get hooked. If they want to mine 'properly' they're going to move. Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Winter Archipelago Furtherance. 327	Posted - 2015.01.06 13:33:13 - [16] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: The more simple solution, however, would simply be to ban the activation of strip miners in rookie systems. That would only be a bandaid on a larger issue. Instead of banning the use of strip miners in certain systems, change asteroid belts as a whole to either be anomalies (all of them, or most with only small amounts of ore in the static belts), or change it so that asteroids regenerate ore over time instead of a big bulk-up at downtime. Sabriz Adoudel wrote: the ship takes considerably longer to sit in than a battleship does This isn't really a fair comparison. You can sit in a battleship sooner, yes, that is true, but you can't actually be effective in a battleship until much, much longer after you can be effective in a mining barge. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Mods, Ships, and Dolls.
ivona fly Aideron Robotics 5	Posted - 2015.01.06 15:19:27 - [17] - Quote And now we can't even use IsBoxer thing to hoover them new roids up, dam you CCP... Dam you to hell!
Keras Authion Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 167	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:29:04 - [18] - Quote I see a potential issue with the name "Remnants" as it might confuse the new people with a belt that has been already mined. Something along "Sparse veldspar field" might be better. This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4297	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:49:33 - [19] - Quote Keras Authion wrote: I see a potential issue with the name "Remnants" as it might confuse the new people with a belt that has been already mined. Something along "Sparse veldspar field" might be better. Agreed with this. Steve Ronuken wrote: El 1974 wrote: I don't see any need for such a site. Yes, asteroid belts in rooky systems are cleared out pretty quickly, but there are other belts elsewhere. Rookies should just be pointed at them, so they become less of a rooky. Tell them to look for anomalies and asteroid belts in other systems. Or run missions, many of which contain asteroid belts. Or join a corp where corpmembers can point them to good mining spots and possibly even provide boosts. We don't need an incentive for rookies to stay in their rooky system. I have to disagree. Which is why I raised the problem to CCP in the first place. It's not a case of 'rookies stay in rookie systems'. It's "rookies take a mission, then have to ask in rookie help 'where can I find some asteroids?' because the belts nearby have been stripped in the first 30 minutes since downtime". We were seeing the same question being asked over and over again in rookie help. Frustrated new players = players who won't stick around. It should be enough to get them started, and keep them around long enough to get hooked. If they want to mine 'properly' they're going to move. The problem is indeed real, but the solution isn't optimal. Let's assume a rookie does intend to continue mining in the short term. Once they leave the rookie system, they will go from having an abundance of anomolies to an abundance of belts. The core of the problem is people who are not rookies at all exploiting the protection of rookie systems to engage in economic PVP against newbies. Other forms of PVP against newbies (such as theft of mission objectives for ransom) are expressly prohibited. The exception made for miners should end. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1415	Posted - 2015.01.07 16:50:17 - [20] - Quote This looks fine. I'd put them behind acceleration gates that prohibit anything larger than a frigate. You already have relatively large belts in the combat tutorial missions. You know, "Cash Flow for Capsuleers." Unfortunately, since the tutorial doesn't say where the cash flow is and there's no guarantee that the newbie has a Venture or knows how to get one, they will probably just shoot their way through the series and despawn about 30M potential ISK. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

Marsan 250	Posted - 2015.01.07 22:06:14 - [21] - Quote Honestly I'd like to see these seecome to NS/LS/WH only with small valuable rocks, and require scanning to find. It would at least make mining interesting where as now mining in in NS/LS involves watching local and docking when someone comes to visit. WH's are the same but you need to keep hitting scan on your probes.... The trick is to make the rocks more valuable than mindless mining, while making it some effort to do. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Ronny Hugo Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 77	Posted - 2015.01.08 08:02:35 - [22] - Quote Make it so that the mining belts in wormholes can't be warped to without first scanning them down.
Esmanpir Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 20	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:09:44 - [23] - Quote As part of the mission will an NPC show up and start bumping him off the asteroids, demand a couple of million isk, and then gank his ship just so he can experience real life highsec mining? :-)
Dangeresque Too Pistols for Pandas 68	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:56:59 - [24] - Quote So is this going to be a public beacon type anomaly or a probe scanner insta warp anomaly? Other than figuring out how to get to the later there is no difference and I don't understand why if they were nerfing sites to be easier to find why they just didn't make them public beacons instead. But yeah, the issues about the ease of insta warping to a lot of sites in wormholes is kinda ridiculous and makes them extremely dangerous for the potential isk gained. Any non public beacon site should have to be scanned, and if you don't want people to have to put in effort to scan the site, then make it a public beacon, plain and simple.

CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 420	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:26:53 - [25] - Quote Esmanpir wrote: As part of the mission will an NPC show up and start bumping him off the asteroids, demand a couple of million isk, and then gank his ship just so he can experience real life highsec mining? :-) To my great sadness, this is not part of the plan Dangeresque Too wrote: So is this going to be a public beacon type anomaly or a probe scanner insta warp anomaly? Other than figuring out how to get to the later there is no difference and I don't understand why if they were nerfing sites to be easier to find why they just didn't make them public beacons instead. These are Cosmic Anomalies, warped to through the Sensor Overlay or Probe Scanner (no probes needed). The main difference with these sites and whats currently available to brand new players is that they will always be there (once finished a new site immediately spawns) so there should never be a situation where they have to leave system to find something to mine. CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski

Dangeresque Too Pistols for Pandas 68	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:00:14 - [26] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: Dangeresque Too wrote: So is this going to be a public beacon type anomaly or a probe scanner insta warp anomaly? Other than figuring out how to get to the later there is no difference and I don't understand why if they were nerfing sites to be easier to find why they just didn't make them public beacons instead. These are Cosmic Anomalies, warped to through the Sensor Overlay or Probe Scanner (no probes needed). The main difference with these sites and whats currently available to brand new players is that they will always be there (once finished a new site immediately spawns) so there should never be a situation where they have to leave system to find something to mine. So as per the 2nd half of the question, why not just make them public beacons instead? The already warpable anoms have never quite made sense, they are put in the probe window with the rest of the sites that have to be probed, yet you don't need probes. So instead of cluttering the screen and increasing clicks required just make the non-scanned anoms public beacons instead (or make all public beacons non-scanned anoms, causing have a split system can be very confusing to new players)? Recent example being the sleeper structure that randomly shows up in space at the moment, it shows up randomly and is accessed by way of a public beacon that pops up when it is there. Not sure why they didn't toss that into the probe window with the rest of the scanned sites.

CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 420	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:18:29 - [27] - Quote Dangeresque Too wrote: So as per the 2nd half of the question, why not just make them public beacons instead? The already warpable anoms have never quite made sense, they are put in the probe window with the rest of the sites that have to be probed, yet you don't need probes. So instead of cluttering the screen and increasing clicks required just make the non-scanned anoms public beacons instead (or make all public beacons non-scanned anoms, causing have a split system can be very confusing to new players)? Recent example being the sleeper structure that randomly shows up in space at the moment, it shows up randomly and is accessed by way of a public beacon that pops up when it is there. Not sure why they didn't toss that into the probe window with the rest of the scanned sites. I can see your reasoning for sure, though surely your argument that they clutter the probe window could also be made about having them in the overview as beacons. I myself cant speak to the specific design decisions made for the display of cosmic anomalies but regardless, it seems like an idea that's somewhat separate from this specific anomaly. If you feel passionately about it, I would suggest stating your case in your own thread in the features & ideas section of the forums. CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 @CCP_Lebowski

Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4351	Posted - 2015.01.12 20:53:53 - [28] - Quote Esmanpir wrote: As part of the mission will an NPC show up and start bumping him off the asteroids, demand a couple of million isk, and then gank his ship just so he can experience real life highsec mining? :-) We in CODE. are firm believers in fattening up the prey first. That's what rookie systems exist for. NPCs bumping them lightly (so not out of range, but just to demonstrate that it is possible) would, however, be a good thing. Likewise weak NPCs shooting them (nothing a Venture can't tank easily) would add to that training. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1465	Posted - 2015.01.12 20:57:50 - [29] - Quote Esmanpir wrote: As part of the mission will an NPC show up and start bumping him off the asteroids, demand a couple of million isk, and then gank his ship just so he can experience real life highsec mining? :-) I understand that there has been a great deal of work to try to duplicate this, but unfortunately even the rudimentery artificial intelligence inherent in the system was too sophisticated and simply refused to accept that this was something it was willing to do and started refusing instructions and crashing each time it was asked. So we just have to rely on players to do it, sorry. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Esmanpir Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 22	Posted - 2015.01.14 01:57:38 - [30] - Quote epicurus ataraxia wrote: Esmanpir wrote: As part of the mission will an NPC show up and start bumping him off the asteroids, demand a couple of million isk, and then gank his ship just so he can experience real life highsec mining? :-) I understand that there has been a great deal of work to try to duplicate this, but unfortunately even the rudimentery artificial intelligence inherent in the system was too sophisticated and simply refused to accept that this was something it was willing to do and started refusing instructions and crashing each time it was asked. So we just have to rely on players to do it, sorry. So they couldn't make the AI dumb enough? Too bad....



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