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Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.09.16 19:09:00 - [1] I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners
Silane Daktor Gelidity	Posted - 2006.09.16 19:18:00 - [2] No, it can be done, I have read enough stories about it. Trouble is, you need to be good with scan probes.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.16 19:21:00 - [3] Scan probes do work. But if there are a lot of runners in the area, your probes will give multiple signals making it hard to scan for one particular person. There is a way to get close enough to use short range probes but I haven't had time to work on it enough that it'd be ready for use. I should really get back to that... Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Tellenta	Posted - 2006.09.16 19:37:00 - [4] It's true it can be done. Found this out when I was running a mission in Villore. Someone tracked me warped into my mission. shot at me, and promptly got concorded. So when you figure it out... remember check the security status I must say it made my mission harder to finish sifting through concord targets
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.09.16 20:32:00 - [5] Well, I am pretty good with scan probes. I think you are getting confused the with now-removed missions which are not in deadspaces. For example, I had a HAC in scan range earlier, and dropped 3 x 48 AU's... nothing... I tried 3 x 192 AU's... nothing... I tried an observator probe... nothing. I get this with all the deadspace mission runners. So unless someone can prove to me its possible, it seems these filthy carebears are invulnerable.
Lodhi Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.16 20:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners Every ship located in space in EvE is possible to find with probes. But 99.9% of the times ships above 3au probes are not even worth the effort to scan for. Most of the times b/c they aint on the same plane as you are and second b/c there is to many of that ship type in system. All in all the probing system sux donkey balls and let's all hope that the new "improved" system will work better. improved = more skills and still a **** system that works 1 times out of 100 End rant
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.09.16 20:43:00 - [7] Observators suck donkey balls. You train how long to get them and then they warp you 96 AU off in the wrong direction when you know the guy in system is only 12 AU away and you know in which direction. Maybe Kali will fix it? Don't hold your breath.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:00:00 - [8] Another problem is that now all missions are in deadspace complexes. Meaning you cannot jump to them directly, but have to use the gates. Now, and if the missionrunner is not sitting next to the gate but for example 50 km away from it...well. If he pays any attention at all he will prolly see you and warp away before you can get to him. Unless you can convice him that you "just want to help".
Bazman Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:13:00 - [9] OMG I've just been banging my head off the wall trying to scan one down right now. His mission plex is 13 AU's below the system plane. Suffice to say I can't get him triangulated before he finishes his mission. I hope my next observator gives me a BM waaaay below the system. Stupid things ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
Lodhi Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.16 22:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Bazman OMG I've just been banging my head off the wall trying to scan one down right now. His mission plex is 13 AU's below the system plane. Suffice to say I can't get him triangulated before he finishes his mission. I hope my next observator gives me a BM waaaay below the system. Stupid things Not worth it baz, will take you about 20min minimum just to find the first gate or the location were he is doing the mission..
CivrGrrl19	Posted - 2006.09.17 04:10:00 - [11] Edited by: CivrGrrl19 on 17/09/2006 04:12:55 Originally by: Mr Trouble I get this with all the deadspace mission runners. So unless someone can prove to me its possible, it seems these filthy carebears are invulnerable. People with your attitude make me laugh. Seriously - are you a roleplayer or just a jackass? Why do you have to take such a huge issue with people who enjoy the game differently than you? Edit: Oh yeah... my main is a pirate, and I don't post with him. So, NO, I don't have anything against piracy. I just have something against people who have to go around thinking that they are better than everyone else because they are a "filthy carebear", or "evil pirate", or any number of other demeaning whines. They play the game, you play the game. It IS a game.
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.09.17 04:49:00 - [12] I cant seem to do it either. FFS just make it a bubble and anything in that bubble can be found, even chanced based is better then no chance in hell which is how I am feeling at the moment: No Signatures were Detected. Ad Nauseum. Are Alliances Pushing You Around?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 10:57:00 - [13] Lets wait and see what Improved System Scanning in Kali 1 brings to the table. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
stoats girl	Posted - 2006.09.17 11:05:00 - [14] Run the missions yourself, bookmark their locations. They almost always take roughly the same bearing out of the station. This will at least get you in the ballpark and help find those off axis ones. This tactic is probably pretty lame, and mission runners will hate you... but isn't that the goal. My main is a mission runner.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.17 11:10:00 - [15] Tell the poor sods in Gyerzen it's not possible to do it within a reasonable timeframe --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Scarib	Posted - 2006.09.17 11:20:00 - [16] Edited by: Scarib on 17/09/2006 11:22:31 Why does a mission runner bug you so much? there is another thread asking for all lvl 4 missions to be in low sec, so many have posted its not for cheap kills, many lvl 4 runners will be low sp raven pilots, as this ship is most suited for the role, until drone agro is fixed anyhow. You seem to be obsessed with ganking a player who like a different play style, again there is another thread "Does CCP care about vets" where many are saying the same, blobs, T2 ships/mods prices, unsafe travel unless in a gang, boredom with no real fights, does this frustration mean cheap ganks on mission runners make you feel better? Gate camps, bubbles, and large gangs mean low sec is hard to enter, but still players moan they want to nerf empire, but in return you want/need to hunt the very players, you ask/demand adopt your play style, why hunt mission runners? you can just head to the nearest alliance space and shoot as many as you want. when they tested RMR they made some test systems all 0.0, it was fun sort of, loads of cans and a few high ground pilots taking everyone out, to make the game more like UT will destroy the things that eve special. edit bad spelling
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.09.17 11:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Bill Shankly he just needs to release some tention and "the accident" stops him from playing with himself.
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.09.17 11:30:00 - [18] Edited by: Bill Shankly on 17/09/2006 11:30:58 double post
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:27:00 - [19] Oh dear, some people don't get it do they. I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission *****s. This is why I want to kill them. Its economic. PS- Of COURSE I am role-playing, people are welcome to play the game however they wish. And I am welcome to kill whomever I wish in lowsec.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:37:00 - [20] If they do a few things... (bookmarks) they are pretty much 100% invulnerable.
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:35:00 - [21] with a lot of missions it will be very hard to scan down due to being of plain I had a DS that stuck me 14 au away from nearest celestial and also way above plain (many au's) with no manual way to get any near my position that I could see anyway.... needless to say that got made ss no 1 for that system.
Ripline FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners Running the occasional mission in Curse myself and kept count. Roughly 1 in 10 missions was less than 12-14 AU offplane, which makes them a real pain to probe, esp the ones outside of scanner range of any object. And then there's the habitually paranoid people like me who keep scanning for probes whenever there's any unknowns or hostiles in system.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.09.18 06:08:00 - [23] It is very possible use to do it around issasiwa back when it was full of people trying to get their coveted navy ravens, also killed quite a few of them that thought they were invulnerable when doing them.
Shemsu Draconis	Posted - 2006.09.18 07:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Mr Trouble I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission ***s. Wrongo. You're a low-sec, low rent ganker who wants nothing more than an easy kill. The mission runner wouldn't be expecting you, and would be tanked for that specific mission, making them an easy target for you, especially since most mission runners don't have a clue about PvP. People like you are the reason I mission with scrams, ECM and such and don't necessarily tank for the mission, but for what would make me live through or be able to run away from a low rent ganker like yourself. You don't want to fight. You want to bully. And how low is your self-esteem? I hope to god that you try to scan me down one day. And the fact that you think mission ***s pimp out their stuff more than real PvPers just tells me that you don't often score kills in real PvP.
Makaera Koshito Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:15:00 - [25] Edited by: Makaera Ko**o on 18/09/2006 08:20:08 Jeez. Just move to 0.0 if you want good loot.
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr Trouble Oh dear, some people don't get it do they. I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission *****s. This is why I want to kill them. Its economic. PS- Of COURSE I am role-playing, people are welcome to play the game however they wish. And I am welcome to kill whomever I wish in lowsec. haha you mean you cant take on real targets in 0.0 because you are so crap and you cant actually fight someone thats expecting it when its gonna be an equal fight. L2P.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Bill Shankly Originally by: Mr Trouble Oh dear, some people don't get it do they. I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission ***s. This is why I want to kill them. Its economic. PS- Of COURSE I am role-playing, people are welcome to play the game however they wish. And I am welcome to kill whomever I wish in lowsec. haha you mean you cant take on real targets in 0.0 because you are so crap and you cant actually fight someone thats expecting it when its gonna be an equal fight. L2P. Says the alt.... 0.0 PvP'ers dont fit anywhere near as good loot as mission runner do ! For the simple reaon most mission runners play with pathetic levels of risk. Have you EVER been to 0.0 ? Because tbh the players there are quite often just as bad as the empire dwelling ones if they haven't got a fleet with them. Alliaanna** DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Lord Mountbatten Caldari Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Shemsu Draconis Originally by: Mr Trouble I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission ***s. Wrongo. You're a low-sec, low rent ganker who wants nothing more than an easy kill. The mission runner wouldn't be expecting you, and would be tanked for that specific mission, making them an easy target for you, especially since most mission runners don't have a clue about PvP. People like you are the reason I mission with scrams, ECM and such and don't necessarily tank for the mission, but for what would make me live through or be able to run away from a low rent ganker like yourself. You don't want to fight. You want to bully. And how low is your self-esteem? I hope to god that you try to scan me down one day. And the fact that you think mission **s pimp out their stuff more than real PvPers just tells me that you don't often score kills in real PvP. Thats just stupid. Could the same be said for a pirate that comes across an indy in 0.0? A badger clearly is not set up for PvP but no-one accuses a pirate of weakness when he kills one of them. Mission runners will fit nice expensive mods because the risk is minimal, they know what to expect etc. If you dont like it, go play a single player game where you can carebear all day without any risks. Its nothing to do with bullying, it's just called playing a game*
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:35:00 - [29] Mission runners are by far the most likely to pimp their ship. If you only have to tank specific types of damage then you're going to try out those shiny faction hardeners, shield booster, armour reps and other nice goodies because you know that there's no chance of you dying to the npcs with your 80+ resists. Probing mission runners is very fun and can be extremely rewarding. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Mr Trouble Oh dear, some people don't get it do they. I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission *****s. This is why I want to kill them. Its economic. PS- Of COURSE I am role-playing, people are welcome to play the game however they wish. And I am welcome to kill whomever I wish in lowsec. Amusing posting, gamers have pimped their ships. "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Damien Smith Mission runners are by far the most likely to pimp their ship. If you only have to tank specific types of damage then you're going to try out those shiny faction hardeners, shield booster, armour reps and other nice goodies because you know that there's no chance of you dying to the npcs with your 80+ resists. Probing mission runners is very fun and can be extremely rewarding. BTW Damien Smith, what reqs do a player need to be able to do this? "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Makaera Koshito Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:07:00 - [32] So what you are saying is that mission-runner killers are basically the welfare state of EVE. The mission-runners work to get those shiny new mods (Heh, if you can call running missions actual work) and then gankers just come in and take it without doing any actual work. I'd say that neither side really deals with a whole lot of risk. Maybe the pirate might have a bit more, since they might get killed by the mission rats if they kill the runner a bit too fast. Or they might run into that other guy up there. I think I'll just stick with ratting/PvP in 0.0 and you all can keep your circle of piracy going, thankyouverymuch.
jjinn	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:08:00 - [33] Quote: Thats just stupid. Could the same be said for a pirate that comes across an indy in 0.0? A badger clearly is not set up for PvP but no-one accuses a pirate of weakness when he kills one of them. Mission runners will fit nice expensive mods because the risk is minimal, they know what to expect etc. If you dont like it, go play a single player game where you can carebear all day without any risks. Its nothing to do with bullying, it's just called playing a game Cause people in 0.0 are aware of the risk - Low Sec comes with more risk. But high sec ganks are more irritating than Roleplaying, and really more of an accpeted exploit of the nature of the system of insurance and clones. Let me guess you probably have a few years in game experience on the character and rarely engage with targets on a par - choosing to go hunting for easy prey is just being a ***** - if you're a pirate be more like the Balls ones, rather than the sneaky murder thieves - Its like those war dec pvp'rs who single out significantly weaker targets and claim its role playing.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Plan Neun Originally by: Damien Smith Mission runners are by far the most likely to pimp their ship. If you only have to tank specific types of damage then you're going to try out those shiny faction hardeners, shield booster, armour reps and other nice goodies because you know that there's no chance of you dying to the npcs with your 80+ resists. Probing mission runners is very fun and can be extremely rewarding. BTW Damien Smith, what reqs do a player need to be able to do this? To use a probe launcher you need astrometrics 1, which will allow you to use the launcher and 3au probes. This isn't much use though. What you need ideally is a race of your choice's covert ops frig (racial frig 5, elecs upgrades 5, electronics 5, cloaking 1, covert ops 1) and then train the covert ops skill up a bit to reduce the cpu need of the covert cloak, otherwise you'll not be able to online the probe launcher without cpu's. To bust the average mission in a well laid out system you can get away with using 48au probes (astrometrics 4) and then drop them in a triangle around the target, going for maximum coverage of the system while keeping each probe in range of the target. The range is half the listed distance of the target (debatable) so you have to drop each 3au probe within 1.5au, each 12au within 6au, and each 48au probe within 24au of the target. This is because the listed distance is the probes scanning diameter, not it's radius. The most common way to probe someone is to start with a wide area scan with 48's, then at the first result drop a 12. You then scan with that 12 and two of the remaining 48's, whichever are in the best position to keep the triangulation around the target. You then drop a second 12 at the second result, and scan with 2 12's and 1 48, and so on. Once you get to 3x 12au probes you can scan with those, and the result they give you will be within 1.5au, which will allow you to use 3au probes. With 3au probes at the last result, you can try dropping all 3 in the same spot. This often works. If it doesn't then rescan with the 12au's and get a second result, then drop a 3au there, then scan with that one and two of your first 3au's. If that doesn't work then make a final scan with the 12's and drop a 3rd 3au probe. This should work. A good tip is to bookmark the location of every probe you drop. This makes it easy to redrop expired probes, and gives you warp points that you can use to make bookmarks that are slightly above or below the targets plane for when you're right next to the guy according to the scanner, but your 3au probes just won't pick him up. Just make a few warps around him and try to get some better positions to drop your probes. I've left out the usage of 192au and observator probes as they're for busting extreme safespots and most people can't bust an average mission before it expires if you have to start from that far away. Basically though 192au probes are bigger versions of the 48's, and observators are probes that only need one of to start a scan, and they scan the entire system. The downfall of these are that they're very inaccurate. Great for making supersafespots though. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Lord Mountbatten Caldari Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:08:00 - [35] Originally by: jjinn Quote: Cause people in 0.0 are aware of the risk - Low Sec comes with more risk. But high sec ganks are more irritating than Roleplaying, and really more of an accpeted exploit of the nature of the system of insurance and clones. Let me guess you probably have a few years in game experience on the character and rarely engage with targets on a par - choosing to go hunting for easy prey is just being a ***** - if you're a pirate be more like the Balls ones, rather than the sneaky murder thieves - Its like those war dec pvp'rs who single out significantly weaker targets and claim its role playing. Just because you're in high-sec doesn't mean you should assume that your untouchable. I engage targets as they come along, and enjoy the challenge. You win some, you loose some. That's life. "Easy prey" is just fair game to be honest. It's nothing to do with having balls, it's knowing what you can win against. If you come across a mega mining in low sec, I'd certainly have a go in a cruiser because I might win. If i saw the same Mega at a gate in 0.0 I'd no doubt loose, so I'd bugger off out the system. If I went for on-par-with-me targets all the time I'd be alot poorer than I already am :)
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:04:00 - [36] Originally by: jjinn Quote: Thats just stupid. Could the same be said for a pirate that comes across an indy in 0.0? A badger clearly is not set up for PvP but no-one accuses a pirate of weakness when he kills one of them. Mission runners will fit nice expensive mods because the risk is minimal, they know what to expect etc. If you dont like it, go play a single player game where you can carebear all day without any risks. Its nothing to do with bullying, it's just called playing a game Cause people in 0.0 are aware of the risk - Low Sec comes with more risk. But high sec ganks are more irritating than Roleplaying, and really more of an accpeted exploit of the nature of the system of insurance and clones. Let me guess you probably have a few years in game experience on the character and rarely engage with targets on a par - choosing to go hunting for easy prey is just being a ***** - if you're a pirate be more like the Balls ones, rather than the sneaky murder thieves - Its like those war dec pvp'rs who single out significantly weaker targets and claim its role playing. Theres a reason Lions dont hunt Elephants. Guess what it is? Are Alliances Pushing You Around?
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: jjinn Quote: Thats just stupid. Could the same be said for a pirate that comes across an indy in 0.0? A badger clearly is not set up for PvP but no-one accuses a pirate of weakness when he kills one of them. Mission runners will fit nice expensive mods because the risk is minimal, they know what to expect etc. If you dont like it, go play a single player game where you can carebear all day without any risks. Its nothing to do with bullying, it's just called playing a game Cause people in 0.0 are aware of the risk - Low Sec comes with more risk. But high sec ganks are more irritating than Roleplaying, and really more of an accpeted exploit of the nature of the system of insurance and clones. Let me guess you probably have a few years in game experience on the character and rarely engage with targets on a par - choosing to go hunting for easy prey is just being a *** - if you're a pirate be more like the Balls ones, rather than the sneaky murder thieves - Its like those war dec pvp'rs who single out significantly weaker targets and claim its role playing. Theres a reason Lions dont hunt Elephants. Guess what it is? Because an Elephant never forgets And when he's bigger and has mates a herd of elephants spampeding > Lions Am I close ? Alliaanna** DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Pedro Montana	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:20:00 - [38] There is one thing that people are truly missing in this whole thread. If it becomes easy to scan down and kill mission runners in low sec. Guess what..Mission runners in low sec will probably quit fitting the good tech your so intrested in looting. and second..most mission runners will go back to empire because of a 'higher' be ganked risk..then people will moan again that low sec is to empty..or that mission rewards are too low. Solution as stands? You know what station they use. Pop them as they undock. Jump them at gates as they enter leave system. Odds are you know what damage they fit against..so get a friend or two and pop em before the sentrys pop you. Everyone can play the game the way they want. The problem is the ones who like PVE want to nerf the daylights outta the pvpers...and the ones who like pvp want to nerf the daylights outta PVE. Realize both play styles is what keeps this game what it is..and not a carebear single player game...nor a meaningless first person shooter. I really wish people would look past the way they play the game...and consider the game as a whole when they call for nerfs/buffs.. On that note.. Nerf Warp Stabalizers in combat ships Nerf T2 BPO owners when Kali comes out and Nerf the heck outta ECM. its overpowered.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:37:00 - [39] Every time an angry mission-runner tells pirates they should only look for fair fights, I think... ...Same way as you do with NPCs? * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.18 17:27:00 - [40] If mission runners are immune to being hunted by probes then the risk reward balance is broken. Trying to attack a runner at a station merly results in them docking, no risk there. Now a mission runner fits for one damage type but that shouldn't have to be the case, a smaller number of rats that spread their damage would be good so people can fly pvp rigs whilst running missions would be better.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.18 20:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Hans Roaming If mission runners are immune to being hunted by probes then the risk reward balance is broken. Well, they are not, so it isn't. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Ryle Caldari Righteous-Indignation	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Bill Shankly haha you mean you cant take on real targets in 0.0 because you are so crap and you cant actually fight someone thats expecting it when its gonna be an equal fight. L2P. Oh I'm sorry, I guess my spending 2 years commanding fleets in 0.0 isn't 1337 enough for you, and I'm a newb for killing people in lowsec. End yourself. ------------------------------- -If you're going through Hell... Keep going.-
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.09.19 02:54:00 - [43] Edited by: Bill Shankly on 19/09/2006 03:03:03 Originally by: Ryle Originally by: Bill Shankly haha you mean you cant take on real targets in 0.0 because you are so crap and you cant actually fight someone thats expecting it when its gonna be an equal fight. L2P. Oh I'm sorry, I guess my spending 2 years commanding fleets in 0.0 isn't 1337 enough for you, and I'm a newb for killing people in lowsec. End yourself. lol what a man you are. bet irl your scared to tell your mum your peas are cold.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:44:00 - [44] Current situation feels rather ok: it is possible to go after the missioners, but it is difficult enough to sway away horders of common pirates. Thus NPCers feel confident enough to fit their expensive modules, and the current situation favors industrious pirates. Originally by: Mr Trouble Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? No, if they stay long enough in their complex. In my experience it usually takes around 30-60 mins to scan down an NPCer in familiar systems. A lot less if the complex is close enough to warpable object. There are lot of other threads about probe usage; their main point being, that 3AU probes are 100% reliable only if you are under 75M kms from the target. And while I am at it, wonder would there be interest for perl script, or WWW-service (with weekly fee), that helps you in the process? With the said script the process would be like: 0) Get and submit the coordinates of planets and a few scattered (deep) safe spots in the system 1) Once you see a target in scanner, measure distance to it from 4+ distinct spots (takes about 10 mins) 2) Let the script to calculate the route close (<75M) to the target. The route would be of form "Warp 12.34AU from SafeSpot4 towards Planet.IX" 3) You make a few midwarp BM warps to get roughly at that the 12.34AU spot (5-10 mins) 4) You drop the probes on the spot, get exact result always (2 mins) If there was interest, could make such WWW-interface to the script I regularly use. -Lasse
Brian Bookmark	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:35:00 - [45] I think it needs addressing if we carebaers can get hunted out on a mission by some pre pubescant pirate needing a kill so he can have qa toss.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Brian Bookmark I think it needs addressing if we carebaers can get hunted out on a mission by some pre pubescant pirate needing a kill so he can have qa toss. Aww boohoo... So a game that's built upon player interaction, that attempts to give players the opportunities to solve their own problems and for others to come up with tactics to overcome those solutions actually has a mechanic to allow you to be attacked while in space? Damn that must suck. Eve is a sandbox. Everything that someone does can be countered by something someone else does. [offtopic]How's this for a crazy idea: Move all lvl 4 missions to low sec space. This means that the mission runners will have to go to low sec. This then means that the market will improve in low sec, as the increased population will mean opportunities for profit for the manufacturers and traders. These will then in turn need to be defended from the pirates so mercs and antipirates will have a part in it. If you want a pirate free utopia, then create it, support it, and fight to defend it. [/offtopic] God damn I hate forum whiners... ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Darkenral	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Damien Smith Aww boohoo... God damn I hate forum whiners...[/quote The largest bunch of whiny QQ'ers on forums of late are the 'nerf missions - move them to low sec" crowd. NM that plexes w/keys camped immd after DT are a much richer payoff than L4's and a broken game mechanic .. ZERO RISK Since after you get the key nobody can follow you in.... well broken for 99% of the eve player base unless you happen to live where dt falls just before local Prime TIme. NM that T2 BPO's are liscences to print isk w/0 risk(The popular 1's neway) NM That L4 missions are barely worth doing. Lets ignore all the broken game mechanics and instead nerf all the things that the 80% of the playerbase in high sec empire does (trading / missions / courier missions)! Yeah that will be lots of fun come on CCP please! I mean jees the map must be wrong, I am the only one that knows how EVE should be played and the 20k+ number of players in High sec all have it wrong. Now all the ppl QQ'ing about mission runners take a minute think THEN type. God Damn I hate forum whiners Dark
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:31:00 - [48] SCAN PROBES DO WORK ON DEADSPACE MISSIONS- Just scan probed a Caldari Navy Raven, he ejected, we sold it for 1.5 bil. Owned biatches ^.- ----------------------------------------
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.20 09:38:00 - [49] We (well, I say 'we', I wasn't actually there) did the same last night with a navypoc. The guy had gone afk on a mission and our guys had to sit there, scrambling him for just over 40 mins waiting for him to answer the ransom request. In the end he got back from being on the phone and decided his implants were worth more than his ship so took the offer of the ship in return for his life. Probing down mission runners > * ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.09.20 10:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Damien Smith We (well, I say 'we', I wasn't actually there) did the same last night with a navypoc. The guy had gone afk on a mission and our guys had to sit there, scrambling him for just over 40 mins waiting for him to answer the ransom request. In the end he got back from being on the phone and decided his implants were worth more than his ship so took the offer of the ship in return for his life. Probing down mission runners > * Yeah I know Turbulent quite well now and so yeah I can say that they do make it interesting for us missionrunners, that being us trying to hunt them down or they hunt us down. Being a Missionrunner I can also say that I have in a numerous times being jumped while being in the deadspace, so if OP can't find one he is doing a lousy job!!! ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Garan Savlar Gallente Ascendant Strategies Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.20 11:49:00 - [51] One thing I've noticed about these pirating threads is that it's often the pirates who are whining about things not being fair. "I hate WCS 'cos they're overpowered" "I hate it when other players ganag and come after me" "I hate mission runners 'cos I can't get an easy kill" As things stand, pirates are the only players who can choose their style of play and force that style of play onto others. On the one hand, pirates blather on about being able to choose the style of play they like, whilst at the same time crying that there are modules, etc that allow other players to avoid them and follow their desired style of play. So you pirates want to be able to play your way as easily as humanly possible and then force that style of play on others ... sounds like hypocrisy to me. Is it fair that you can carry out the vast majority of your kills in low-sec and then jump into high-sec whenever things get too hot for you or you fancy a change of pace. No it isn't ... so perhaps all players with a negative security standing should be fair game to everyone as soon as they jump into high-sec. Now that would make you real pirates instead of hypocritical, self obsessed, whining griefers ... ------------------------------------------------ Faugh-A-Ballaugh!
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.20 13:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Garan Savlar Is it fair that you can carry out the vast majority of your kills in low-sec and then jump into high-sec whenever things get too hot for you or you fancy a change of pace. No it isn't ... so perhaps all players with a negative security standing should be fair game to everyone as soon as they jump into high-sec. Now that would make you real pirates instead of hypocritical, self obsessed, whining griefers ... Of course it isn't fair, that's why <-5.0 sec outlaws can't even enter high sec systems as they get webbed, scrambled and ganked by the police as soon as they so much as touch a high sec system. They are kill on sight to anyone, anywhere, at any time. Being an outlaw has all the penalties of 0.0 with none of the benefits, as anyone can come and attack one of our friends and we would be powerless to defend him as to do so would lead us to be criminally flagged and instapwned by the sentry guns. Do you know how demoralising it is to be in a ship too weak to tank sentries and see your friend come under attack and you have to sit there and watch him die? We pay exorbitant prices for the commodities we need due to having no access to the trade hubs, we have to be constantly in fear of antipirates and pirates alike, and can therefore trust no one but ourselves. You want to talk about fair? How's about them apples then? Piracy is far from easy, but we wouldn't have it any other way. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Roxors Caldari Solar Wind Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.20 15:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Shemsu Draconis Originally by: Mr Trouble I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission ***s. Wrongo. You're a low-sec, low rent ganker who wants nothing more than an easy kill. The mission runner wouldn't be expecting you, and would be tanked for that specific mission, making them an easy target for you, especially since most mission runners don't have a clue about PvP. People like you are the reason I mission with scrams, ECM and such and don't necessarily tank for the mission, but for what would make me live through or be able to run away from a low rent ganker like yourself. You don't want to fight. You want to bully. And how low is your self-esteem? I hope to god that you try to scan me down one day. And the fact that you think mission *s pimp out their stuff more than real PvPers just tells me that you don't often score kills in real PvP. sounds like a pirate to me.. attacking the weak targets for a cheap meal.. it just sounds like solid tactics on his part. cant give you a hard time for whining about it though.. you should be.. your meat.. ----------- Website Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected]) Originally by:** jellybelly2 My alt has seen 9 titans.
Altaree Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.20 16:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Damien Smith ....... We pay exorbitant prices for the commodities we need due to having no access to the trade hubs, we have to be constantly in fear of antipirates and pirates alike, and can therefore trust no one but ourselves. You want to talk about fair? How's about them apples then? Piracy is far from easy, but we wouldn't have it any other way. One word: Alt. You can always have an alt go shopping for you. Next argument? Fix The Web Servers
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.20 16:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Altaree Originally by: Damien Smith ....... We pay exorbitant prices for the commodities we need due to having no access to the trade hubs, we have to be constantly in fear of antipirates and pirates alike, and can therefore trust no one but ourselves. You want to talk about fair? How's about them apples then? Piracy is far from easy, but we wouldn't have it any other way. One word: Alt. You can always have an alt go shopping for you. Next argument? First of all, my other arguments are in my post, if you want to try and refute them go ahead. Second of all, the point I made was pirates can't enter high sec. the key word there being pirates . A shopping alt isn't a pirate now is it? ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Garan Savlar Gallente Ascendant Strategies Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.21 06:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Damien Smith Of course it isn't fair, that's why <-5.0 sec outlaws can't even enter high sec systems as they get webbed, scrambled and ganked by the police as soon as they so much as touch a high sec system. They are kill on sight to anyone, anywhere, at any time. Being an outlaw has all the penalties of 0.0 with none of the benefits, as anyone can come and attack one of our friends and we would be powerless to defend him as to do so would lead us to be criminally flagged and instapwned by the sentry guns. Do you know how demoralising it is to be in a ship too weak to tank sentries and see your friend come under attack and you have to sit there and watch him die? We pay exorbitant prices for the commodities we need due to having no access to the trade hubs, we have to be constantly in fear of antipirates and pirates alike, and can therefore trust no one but ourselves. You want to talk about fair? How's about them apples then? Piracy is far from easy, but we wouldn't have it any other way. You chose the life ... live with it. ------------------------------------------------ Faugh-A-Ballaugh!
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.21 07:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Garan Savlar Originally by: Damien Smith Piracy is far from easy, but we wouldn't have it any other way. You chose the life ... live with it. What part of my post suggest otherwise? I was merely making the point that it's not as easy as has been said to pirate then hide in high sec. There are those that keep their sec status above outlaw so they can do just that, but they're just muppets who can't handle the flashy redness. If you're gonna be a pirate at least go all the way and not some pirate/carebear high sec loving hybrid. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
das licht Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.21 08:00:00 - [58] God damn commies, get a job and don't live from others people work.
Garan Savlar Gallente Ascendant Strategies Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.21 09:52:00 - [59] Edited by: Garan Savlar on 21/09/2006 09:52:53 Originally by: Damien Smith What part of my post suggest otherwise? I was merely making the point that it's not as easy as has been said to pirate then hide in high sec. There are those that keep their sec status above outlaw so they can do just that, but they're just muppets who can't handle the flashy redness. If you're gonna be a pirate at least go all the way and not some pirate/carebear high sec loving hybrid. At last ... a pirate I can respect! I agree totally with you mate ... I apologise for lumping you in with the numpties who prey on the weak and then run to high-sec with their tails between their legs when things get too hot. You are a true pirate ... I tip my anti-pirate hat to you Damien and hope that, if we meet, it will be a good fight ... though you'll probably kick my arse! ------------------------------------------------ Faugh-A-Ballaugh!
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.21 10:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Garan Savlar I tip my anti-pirate hat to you Damien and hope that, if we meet, it will be a good fight ... though you'll probably kick my arse! I won't, but a fellow pirate we encountered not long ago might. Be afraid, be very afraid... ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.21 11:15:00 - [61] We only do it to capital ships. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.21 14:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Hans Roaming If mission runners are immune to being hunted by probes then the risk reward balance is broken. Trying to attack a runner at a station merly results in them docking, no risk there. finding mission runner in time is almost impossible since most missions like to spawn 14AU directly above or below to try and annoy probers as much as possible. peolep dont really bother scanning out anything other than faction bs and capitals anyway and the mission rewards in lowsec are a lot higher so i dont see where the risk is no point moving all level 4s to lowsec if theyre still at almost 0 risk still. might as well have them all on a PvE server or something to reduce lag on TQ - they can play the game 'how they want to' then without it breaking the economy and stability for the rest of us :)
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.21 14:25:00 - [63] A lot of the time when probing people you don't even know they're there. Often they're beyond the max range of your scanner so you drop your long range probes and hope for the best. I like to call it 'fishing with dynamite'. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Karl Mattar Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.21 14:32:00 - [64] I don't mind pirates hunting down mission runners. It gives us anti-pirates a good way to get them to take the bait. :) Also, when I run L4 in lowsec, I take a Raven with T1 unnamed modules. I don't need anything fancy to do the missions, and if I lose it, I actually come out well ahead with insurance and bounties. And I don't use implants so I don't care about podding. You don't need fancy modules to run L4 if you are skilled in your ship and know what you are doing. It's also a lot more fun to watch a pirate spend all that time hunting down your mission area, then making a kill, just to see all you are fitting is unnamed gear. They get a little irate about it.
Karl Mattar Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.21 14:36:00 - [65] Edited by: Karl Mattar on 21/09/2006 14:41:23 Originally by: Rawr Cristina might as well have them all on a PvE server or something to reduce lag on TQ - they can play the game 'how they want to' then without it breaking the economy and stability for the rest of us :) That's a good idea. Let's seperate the hunters and the prey, and see how well either one functions alone. Pirates would starve without ammo and ships. Carebears would choke on the glut of ammo and ships. That's a real good idea. Face it, we've got a symbiotic relationship going here in EVE. Carebears build the ships and ammo that pirates need to pirate. Pirates keep the market moving so Carebears can make their sales. Neither can survive without the other, unless you fancy pirating in T1 frigates with named modules, and only fighting the same. Any pirate that flies with a ship larger than a frigate, or a T2 anything, got there with the help of a Carebear. On the other hand, I do wish they'd delete all the WCS from the game permanently. Those things really make it hard to be an anti-pirate.
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.09.21 14:38:00 - [66] Originally by: Bill Shankly Originally by: Mr Trouble Oh dear, some people don't get it do they. I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission *****s. This is why I want to kill them. Its economic. PS- Of COURSE I am role-playing, people are welcome to play the game however they wish. And I am welcome to kill whomever I wish in lowsec. haha you mean you cant take on real targets in 0.0 because you are so crap and you cant actually fight someone thats expecting it when its gonna be an equal fight. L2P. No, I mean 'Piracy is an economic choice'. Can't you people read or are you just plain stupid? I'm not in this for the heroics or fair fights, I'm it to blow up ships, pick up the loot, and sell it. Understand?
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.09.21 14:45:00 - [67] Originally by: Shemsu Draconis Originally by: Mr Trouble I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission *****s. Wrongo. You're a low-sec, low rent ganker who wants nothing more than an easy kill. Yup, and that is a legitimate and profitable play tactic. I look for expensive ships with expensive mods, and I kill them in unbalanced fights where I am fitted specifically against them. No heroics, no 'fair'... just boom boom boom, thanks for the gisti loot. Do you have a problem with that? If so, stay in highsec and STFU.
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.21 14:57:00 - [68] Missions are nearly PVP-free areas - it¦s wasted time to hunt misson-runners! But there is a way to hurt these players: camp! Let them do all those stupid missions and feel great when they kill NPCs...be patient, one day they will move and they will move with all those noce items they got in their missions. And this is were a real pirate has to strike! I say a real pirate because a real pirate wants ISKies! Why should a real pirate hunt mission runners? They are poor buggers that work hard to make some ISK. It¦s better to wait until they developped and have some stuff worth the ammo and time. This is were "the camp" comes into mind. If you camp, you kill everything, including missions runners that haul their stuff from A to B. Job done: mission runner did missions, earned 200 mil ISK, you kill his alt hauler when he moves form A to B and get some of his stuff. Sorry, if this disapoints you then you should simply realise that EVE has some very fubared elements. Missions are one of these elements that only did hurt the game. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2006.09.21 15:00:00 - [69] Grow some balls and move to 0.0, Not only do you get 1mill+ bounties on the rats but they also drop extremely good Battleship sized loot on occasion not to mention they are a snap to kill if you tank right. SO if you want easy money and easy kill just do that.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.21 15:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Grow some balls and move to 0.0, Not only do you get 1mill+ bounties on the rats but they also drop extremely good Battleship sized loot on occasion not to mention they are a snap to kill if you tank right. SO if you want easy money and easy kill just do that. Grow some balls? 0.0 is cake compared to low sec empire. Outlaws already live in an environment where they can be attacked anywhere, by anyone, just like in 0.0, the only difference is that they have to tank sentry guns too, can't use bubbles, interdictors or cool stuff like that. We can't have a fleet battle vs a corp we're not at war with without being criminally flagged and sentry pwned, we can't give our corpmates any remote rep/shield xfer/cap assistance at all without getting instantly criminally flagged and sentry pwned. If you guys are on a gate in your cruisers, ceptors and whatever and you get jumped by enemies, you can fight back can't you? You can defend your corpmates can't you? We can't. If we so much as warp scram the enemies then pop, the sentries open up on us and there we are, in our pods. We have to say "tough luck old chap, we've to to sit here and watch you die lest we get pwned by the sentries" I'd love to have all the niceties that alliance types have given to us in low sec empire but you know what? That would be too easy. You lot have you little us+friends vs them and their friends blob fights, we have us vs everyone + sentries. Most pirates don't pirate for the isk, as there's far better ways to make it. Grinding npc battleships is as boring as mining. We pirate because we enjoy it, and because we can. I find it so funny hearing people saying all this crap about pirates having no balls. WTS T2 clue. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.09.21 16:18:00 - [71] Edited by: Mr Trouble on 21/09/2006 16:19:09 Originally by: Christopher Dalran Grow some balls and move to 0.0, Not only do you get 1mill+ bounties on the rats but they also drop extremely good Battleship sized loot on occasion not to mention they are a snap to kill if you tank right. SO if you want easy money and easy kill just do that. LOL @ you. You think 'growing balls' means moving to 0.0 and killing NPC's? Pure comedy. Do NPC's routinely drop faction loot? Do you have to stalk them like prey? Do the anti-pirates come to their rescue? Do you get a security status hit? Or in actual fact do you just warp to each belt at 15km and activate your weapons without even engaging your brain once or considering the consequences of what you are doing? Is there a moral dilemma? Do they smacktalk? No. Its very, very dull. A macro could NPC in 0.0, no thanks. Most of 0.0 PvP is too boring and blobby for my liking. You go into an alliances territory and suddenly 15 people are camping you in the system with bubbles. BORING.
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.21 17:39:00 - [72] Originally by: Karl Mattar That's a good idea. Let's seperate the hunters and the prey, and see how well either one functions alone. Pirates would starve without ammo and ships. Carebears would choke on the glut of ammo and ships. That's a real good idea. Face it, we've got a symbiotic relationship going here in EVE. Carebears build the ships and ammo that pirates need to pirate. Pirates keep the market moving so Carebears can make their sales. yes i know, i was just venting my frustration out on how difficult it is to find said mission runners that isolate themselves from all risk they can just to earn lots of isk from nowhere that they spend faction fitting their navy ravens which they also use to run missions at the moment mission runners in low-sec lose more ships to NPCs than to Players the only way to really kill anything decent now is to gatecamp, everyone in belts is either fitted to the brim with stabs or so new its not worth the 15minute agro timer you get shooting them until CCP really fix probes or make mission areas spawn a lot closer to objects then the only real danger the 'prey' is in is to lagging out and being killed by npcs :/ solo-hunting in lowsec just isnt worth it now, people in belts warp off as soon as an outlaw enters local - ppl travelling are usually on instas or fitted to the brim with stabs and missionrunners are either docked or in a hiding place 20au away that you cant get to. only other people to fight are the other pirates and the few antipirates that dont fly around in large ECM/NOS/Damp squads and then smack you in local for not fighting them
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.22 20:39:00 - [73] I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the mission runners in and around placid for their contributions to our noble cause over the last few days. First of I'd like to thank the pilot of the navy apoc that went afk while on a mission in murethand. While afk he gave us time to probe him, warp in, scramble him and keep him there for 45 mins while refusing all attempts at communication. 45 mins later when he got back off the phone he accepted our terms of his ship in return for his pod's safe passage. The second guy I'd like the thank is the pilot of the chimera in uphallant that ejected a hauler from his carrier in order to jump out, get in the hauler, collect his mission loot and then scoop the hauler back up. I'm sure he wasn't too happy about us probing him, warping in, killing his hauler with his pod in it and stealing his chimera but I'd like to thank him all the same. Mission runners of eve, I salute you. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Niobe	Posted - 2006.09.23 11:56:00 - [74] Sry i dont have time Damien to read all ya posts. But could you give us some advice what options you select from the probe list. Do you probe for the ships or the deadspace gate? thx's
TheKiller8 Caldari S.A.S	Posted - 2006.09.23 13:45:00 - [75] Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners Keep trying mate, that's what we did. CLICK ME! CLICK ME! CLICK ME! CLICK ME!
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.23 16:12:00 - [76] Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners Keep trying mate, that's what we did. That pic has just made me very happy. Thank you. UA ftl Originally by: Niobe Sry i dont have time Damien to read all ya posts. But could you give us some advice what options you select from the probe list. Do you probe for the ships or the deadspace gate? thx's You probe for the ships. Drop each probe and then select each one in the scanner window, then press analyse and select the ship type. You can be cloaked while scanning but do not warp or you'll get a dud result. I like to uncloak, then hit my mwd and probe launcher to drop a probe and immediately clear the 2k uncloak range of the probe, then recloak while my probe launcher finishes it's cycle. In this way you're only uncloaked for a couple of seconds at a time. It also helps if you sort the probe list by probe id as the highest number will be the last probe dropped. This helps when you have a lot of probe on the go. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Niobe	Posted - 2006.09.23 16:55:00 - [77] select the ship thxs for the info. does this apply to deadspace missions also as you describe
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.23 17:02:00 - [78] Originally by: Niobe select the ship thxs for the info. does this apply to deadspace missions also as you describe Yeah, you can only really probe for the ships so if they warp out to repair or whatever then you're gonna have to wait for them to return before you can finish probing them. It can be a bit of a pain. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.09.24 11:50:00 - [79] Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners Keep trying mate, that's what we did. Only thing i really see there are modified char icons...lame.... --
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.24 12:55:00 - [80] Originally by: MacDuncan Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners Keep trying mate, that's what we did. Only thing i really see there are modified char icons...lame.... Many people used that before CCP ruled it against the EULA, but there was some doubt about that until they clarified the issue. Several major alliances also used it. Anyway, don't be pendantic... thats clearly not the only thing you can see. That big thing in structure is called a 'Moros'. Go look it up. -------- On vacation from ISSN
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.09.24 13:31:00 - [81] You're right: I see there also a Moros, pummeled by 3 T2 Ravens w. Rage Torps and a Geddon, a complete gang of 8 and still there is the need to jam the dread to the moon and back... Nothing really spectacular imho, i saw many dreads dying...sry... --
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.24 16:28:00 - [82] Edited by: Krulla on 24/09/2006 16:30:47 Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners Keep trying mate, that's what we did. Exploiting ftw.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.24 21:22:00 - [83] Originally by: MacDuncan You're right: I see there also a Moros, pummeled by 3 T2 Ravens w. Rage Torps and a Geddon, a complete gang of 8 and still there is the need to jam the dread to the moon and back... Nothing really spectacular imho, i saw many dreads dying...sry... How many dreads have you probed out and killed with a gang? I'm sure they very much enjoyed their faction loot. If you'd ever been set upon by a Moros's T2 large drones, or 'barely scratched' for 4000 damage by an Ion Seige Blaster, you will understand why there is EVERY need to jam him. But you havent, so you won't. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.09.24 22:05:00 - [84] Okay, well I have tried and tried again, STILL doesnt work. I found one mission runner who was within 3au of a celestial object.. great, I thought, I'll definately find him, and duly dropped 3 12 AU probes... NOTHING. I found one in the middle of a system and triangulated three 48ay probes... NOTHING. If they are too far above the plain (which nearly all missions are), the scan probes just DONT WORK. ITS DOING MY ******* HEAD IN!!!!
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.09.25 04:49:00 - [85] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: MacDuncan You're right: I see there also a Moros, pummeled by 3 T2 Ravens w. Rage Torps and a Geddon, a complete gang of 8 and still there is the need to jam the dread to the moon and back... Nothing really spectacular imho, i saw many dreads dying...sry... How many dreads have you probed out and killed with a gang? I'm sure they very much enjoyed their faction loot. If you'd ever been set upon by a Moros's T2 large drones, or 'barely scratched' for 4000 damage by an Ion Seige Blaster, you will understand why there is EVERY need to jam him. But you havent, so you won't. I was on the "recieving end" of some dreads in my eve life several times already, the only thing you're right about is the fact that i didn't had to probe them out, they were mostly sitting @POS or coming right into the engagment. --
Dark Vishnu	Posted - 2006.09.25 05:19:00 - [86] lol carebears talk about "easy prey". what do you think are the npcs? and the pirate life isnt fair. if it would be fair then warpcore stabs would cost you a highslot. if it would be fair i could fit my ship with the wracks of carebears and i would be able to get better stuff then the mission runners and i dont have to go to highsec to get my ship and fitting. if it would be fair then we would have our own npc station were your are flagged and i get sentry support. i've met thousands of you who camped me at the station and which i never saw after the wardec. dont tell me anythink about fairness carebear because you dont know what it is. and now keep on flaming
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:06:00 - [87] Originally by: Mr Trouble I've had enough of them clogging up my space... they make me SICK. But, despite my best efforts and Astrometrics V, I cannot seem to scan down mission runners who are on an 'active mission'. Are they invulnerable in their little deadspaces? Or is there a way to find them and teach them some manners ah my little EMO, your upset arent you? you feel the game should be played to your liking, your style, everyone else be damned. come child, let the cleansing rightous fire of common sense and the ability to play a game the way one wants, clear the cluttered child mind you have, glory in the knowledge that in time you will gain the wisdom to see the ignorance of your words, the foolishness of your actions against your neighbor and at some point in the near future, once again, feel barneys love. as for being sick, ask an adult for some pepto bismol, it will clean your your mouth as well as your a**
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.25 17:26:00 - [88] Originally by: Red Ochre ah my little EMO, your upset arent you? you feel the game should be played to your liking, your style, everyone else be damned. You havent got a clue, have you. He isnt saying that. He is stating that scanning currently does not work as it should. Which is true. He is perfectly entitled to kill people in lowsec, and they are perfectly entitled to run missions there. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Gindar Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:42:00 - [89] you could initially stumble upon a mission running raven, perhaps with t1 gear and not worth a 2nd glance. but what if you decided to follow him, leading to a friend of his flying a decked out t2 typhoon? in eve, as in real life, everything is happening all at once. rich men, poor men, working men, and thieves. you are the thief observing the poor men working to become rich, and the rich men becoming even richer. one last thing i'd like to say, and thats that the helios is good for initial surveillance, because of fast lock time, a bonus to reduce system scan time. but after you've scanned him and its time to tackle him, use an arazu. the arazu will cloak, scan, warp scramble and jam from long range. its got everything you need except the damage output. that's why this is a 2+ man job. regards, gindar
Gindar Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:42:00 - [90] Edited by: Gindar on 26/09/2006 20:42:43 Originally by: Damien Smith If you guys are on a gate in your cruisers, ceptors and whatever and you get jumped by enemies, you can fight back can't you? You can defend your corpmates can't you? We can't. If we so much as warp scram the enemies then pop, the sentries open up on us and there we are, in our pods. We have to say "tough luck old chap, we've to to sit here and watch you die lest we get pwned by the sentries" but don't they get flagged to your corp? even if not, does the -10 guy get kill rights? Quote: I'd love to have all the niceties that alliance types have given to us in low sec empire but you know what? That would be too easy. You lot have you little us+friends vs them and their friends blob fights, we have us vs everyone + sentries. yarrr yes it is the only way. a pirate's life is a tough one, but many will still say "it's a pirate's life for me!" Quote: Most pirates don't pirate for the isk, as there's far better ways to make it. Grinding npc battleships is as boring as mining. We pirate because we enjoy it, and because we can. mining, rat hunting, missions, sometimes even pvp is very dull and requires no brains. only a pirate is pure wits. damien smith you make me want to pirate again. the glory of outwitting your prey cannot be found anywhere else in the gameplay of eve. also wanted to say that there is one thing few people take into account, and that's the power of surveillance. most corps/covert ops pilots will do some scans, investigation in a system for an hour or less, and move on if there is nothing interesting. but the factor that isn't being taken into account, thats true in real life as well: anyone can follow anyone indefinitely. this is the scientific law that governs car chases in movies, and it applies to directly to eve! in traditional intelligence ops, a military specialist utilizes camoflague, night vision, radio silence, a **** load of patience, and some basic reasoning to find their prey. in eve it is the same. your camo is your stealth cloaking. your night vision is your system scanner. radio silence means no chat on the comms to not arouse possible corp spies. patience... is same as in real life. and the reasoning part means lv4 navy agent + 0.5 system security = relaxed unworried carebears with implants and tech2 gear grinding missions at their leisure. imagine for a second you are in one of those systems. you're sitting in a covert ops helios cloaked outside the agent station. settling in with some nice dinner and a beer you watch as carebears dock and undock, ferrying mission loot, supplies, and newly acquired ISK (mission bounties are one ways ISK is created in eve. so in a way you're helping to keep down market inflation, too!). you spot a raven warping in at 15km from the station. "hmm, no instas." you uncloak, turn on passive targetter, and scan his ship and cargo. the raven is filled with mission loot, equipped with 2x small tractors, 6x arbalest cruise, maybe some ballistic controls, and a really nice shield booster. this is how it begins. but getting to this step usually takes more time. for example, is this raven pilot in a mission runner corp or does he come here alone? how often does he come on, and is there a pattern to his logon/logoffs? is this his only source of income or does he do other professions on the side? these are just some of the questions that should go through your mind before attempting covert ops in its true sense. with enough scanning, surveillance, alt spies, and following, you can find out everything about this man. corp thieves do infiltration all the time however the method is more straightforward. the spy uses every sneaky move he can make to not only secure the vital info, but find out the bigger picture. that's what i'm trying to get at.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:49:00 - [91] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 26/09/2006 22:50:02 Originally by: Damien Smith Do you know how demoralising it is to be in a ship too weak to tank sentries and see your friend come under attack and you have to sit there and watch him die? [Raymond Burr] Yes. Yes I do. [/Raymond Burr] It's about the same feeling as watching a gang of 8 pies jump into your mission, scram and jam you, and watch your own ship die. Is there anything else I can help you with? -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.09.26 23:01:00 - [92] Quote: Oh dear, some people don't get it do they. I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission *****s. Your not a pirate, just some nub who cannot figure out how to catch an easy meal and moaning on the forums .... Hint head to 0.0 find some real targets and become a man, thats unless you like being a mouse.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:44:00 - [93] Edited by: Damien Smith on 27/09/2006 00:48:30 Originally by: Gindar but don't they get flagged to your corp? even if not, does the -10 guy get kill rights? The one being attacked can shoot back, but if he's being attacked by multiple targets then although he can legally shoot back, he's gonna die anyway. The rest of us can not act in defence of our corpmate without being criminally flagged as the attackers aren't aggressed to us, just to him. This is the reason pirates gatecamp in battleships and other sentry tankable ships. Regardless of what happens, they're all going to get criminally flagged at some point. I didn't make that point about crim flagging as a whine btw, just a response to all the "pirates suck, go to 0.0 like a real man" types that seem to have come out of the woodwork. We accept that the odds are heavily stacked against us in low sec, and act accordingly. If we wanted bubbles and blob fests we'd go to 0.0. Your covops write up is spot on too. Not many people realise how much work goes on into target selection and planning an op apart from the "omg i got ganked by a piwat blob" scenario we hear about all the time. I've not been doing so much covert work as of late because as a -10 you're pretty conspicuous just being in local and there are other coverts in the corp who can do equally as well, if not better. My covert alt's still available when I need it though. And to all you mission runners who love us so much; here's the latest addition to our list: Linkage ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.27 01:20:00 - [94] Three of you Turby guys warped in on me and my mission the other night. I was about 35km from the jump-in chasing a Port Admiral or something, so was able to escape easily before anyone scrammed me. How often does it happen that you locate a mish, jump in, and find that the mission runner is too far away from the jump-in to do anything to him before he can escape? By the way folks, sitting at the JIP and sniping the NPC groups is just asking for a blob to jump in right on top of you. Move away from the beacon for safety. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Draugz Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.27 07:55:00 - [95] Survival of the fittest in low sec and 0.0, if you cant handle it go mine Veldspar in empire. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes Join The Naruto Online Multiplayer Game http://www.naruto-arena.com
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.27 15:43:00 - [96] Originally by: Guillame Herschel How often does it happen that you locate a mish, jump in, and find that the mission runner is too far away from the jump-in to do anything to him before he can escape? Quite often actually. It helps to have a recon cruiser to do the tackling but there isn't always one available. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Gindar Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:05:00 - [97] Originally by: Damien Smith Edited by: Damien Smith on 27/09/2006 15:54:28 Originally by: Guillame Herschel How often does it happen that you locate a mish, jump in, and find that the mission runner is too far away from the jump-in to do anything to him before he can escape? Quite often actually. It helps to have a recon cruiser to do the tackling but there isn't always one available. Originally by: Patch Notes Deadspace acceleration gates no longer permit the entry of carriers, freighters, dreadnoughts, motherships and titans. NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! damien, as i said the arazu is the way to go. yes its very specialized, so i'm not surprised its not always available (probably just one guy in your corp right). tackling from 40km away ftw. end of an era for turb. but also a new beginning. as i'm sure you already started, you must now hunt t2 and faction ships. but remember you still have those covops skills and the firepower to back it up. use target painters if necessary. i noticed you do some ewar whorage, get some guys to do dedicated ewar such as with a couple celestis.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:17:00 - [98] Originally by: Gindar i noticed you do some ewar whorage, get some guys to do dedicated ewar such as with a couple celestis. Whoa there a second. ECM mods (meaning jammers, not so much damps and other ewar types that aren't as bad) are extremely lame/overpowered/whorish (delete as applicable) and very few of our corp members use them. Those that do are ridiculed as much as possible. We certainly don't use it on a routine basis. We leave the multispec spamming to the carebears and antipies. We have several recon pilots, but it's not always convenient to send one who's out with us in a bs back for one if he's currently flagged, and at times the extra firepower provided by another bs outweighs the risk of them being out of scram range. As you said though, the end of an era. It's been fun killing cap ships. I guess now it's back to plain old battleships. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Kruel	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:22:00 - [99] Originally by: Mr Trouble Okay, well I have tried and tried again, STILL doesnt work. I found one mission runner who was within 3au of a celestial object.. great, I thought, I'll definately find him, and duly dropped 3 12 AU probes... NOTHING. I found one in the middle of a system and triangulated three 48ay probes... NOTHING. If they are too far above the plain (which nearly all missions are), the scan probes just DONT WORK. ITS DOING MY ******* HEAD IN!!!! I too have had trouble locating anything just slightly on a different vertical plane. Any advice from the experts on this?
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:36:00 - [100] There's not a lot you can do apart from use a couple of the larger range probes in combination with one of your 48's and try and get a result that's off plane a bit. either that or try some bookmark dropping to get yoruself off plane a bit. There are times when you're right next to them and no matter what you do, they just won't be found. Just keep at it. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Trind2222 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:48:00 - [101] 1. Do not misson alone in 0.4 you will die 2.Never go to 0.4 system there bean 4 pod kill in last hour or you will die 3.Never think you are safe in eve you arn't 4.Don't trust anone in 0.4 saying he need help whit a misson you will die 5.Never jump to gate imtely whitout cheking it first. 6. Make a ss in 0.4 7.obey the rules and you will live
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.27 21:41:00 - [102] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/09/2006 21:43:22 Originally by: Trind2222 1. Do not misson alone in 0.4 you will die Haven't yet. Quote: 2.Never go to 0.4 system there bean 4 pod kill in last hour or you will die Haven't yet. The maps lags up to an hour, you know? If it's 13:01 game time, the map shows pod kills that occurred between 12:01 and 13:00. But at 13:59 it's still showing the same data, and that could be almost two hours old. Quote: 3.Never think you are safe in eve you aren't This should have been item #1. The first two are unwarranted paranoia. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.09.28 18:00:00 - [103] Originally by: Trind2222 1. Do not misson alone in 0.4 you will die This is wrong, I do my missions in 0.2 alone and have not been killed while doing mission but while looting and semi-afk.... Originally by: Trind2222 2.Never go to 0.4 system there bean 4 pod kill in last hour or you will die Nah, I hardly ever check the map to see if it have lots of pod kills in it. Originally by: Trind2222 3.Never think you are safe in eve you arn't That is very true... not even at Safespots are you safe. Originally by: Trind2222 4.Don't trust anone in 0.4 saying he need help whit a misson you will die Wrong, I help people in low sec with missions but only people I sort of knows about... kinda like .. what mom used to say when I where young "Never talk to strangers" Originally by: Trind2222 5.Never jump to gate imtely whitout cheking it first. Check gate and map, if there is shuttlers or ships outside the gate they might be the scout. Originally by: Trind2222 6. Make a ss in 0.4 I would say make instant bookmarks around, between gates and stations and maybe from a safespot to gate. Originally by: Trind2222 7.obey the rules and you will live ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Kaynard Stormwalker Stormriders	Posted - 2006.09.28 19:45:00 - [104] Heh, we went out to hunt one of these days and get some mission runners...killing CNR"s is always nice. But currently most missions are deadspace so: -Cant MWD to scramble the guy quick enough -Cant even get there with probes With non-deadspace missions (like 2% :P) its too retarded to scan because takes too long and/or isnt accurate enough. So we were discussing...risk = rewards ? Hell no. Personally I ran missions in 0.2'ish and NEVER was bothered. Scanning for mission runners is pretty hopeless..they should make it more risky to mission in low sec. Currently theres very little difference in missioning in 1.0 or 0.2, except you get more $ in 0.2 and still cant be touched. =\
Gindar Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.28 20:16:00 - [105] Originally by: Kaynard Stormwalker Heh, we went out to hunt one of these days and get some mission runners...killing CNR"s is always nice. But currently most missions are deadspace so: -Cant MWD to scramble the guy quick enough -Cant even get there with probes With non-deadspace missions (like 2% :P) its too retarded to scan because takes too long and/or isnt accurate enough. So we were discussing...risk = rewards ? Hell no. Personally I ran missions in 0.2'ish and NEVER was bothered. Scanning for mission runners is pretty hopeless..they should make it more risky to mission in low sec. Currently theres very little difference in missioning in 1.0 or 0.2, except you get more $ in 0.2 and still cant be touched. =\ check my earlier post! arazu can do the tackling and scanning. but scanning is the hard part. check previous posts for other tips with 12 au probes, doing the mission yourself etc for (not 100% reliable) workarounds. gl and keep at it
Kaynard Stormwalker Stormriders	Posted - 2006.09.28 20:43:00 - [106] Will do, heh. I only wish we had less DS missions..they really screwed it up. Although it must be nice when you get someone semi-afk doing his mission. ;D
R Grainger	Posted - 2006.10.31 05:14:00 - [107] I'm a mission runner. First, salutes to Damien Smith, one of the few pirates to stay with scans and actually track me down while I've been on missions. But the odds are against him engaging me. I am aligned for warpout and just hit that insta-button whenever he (or any other pirate) warps anywhere near me. I'll never pick up drones, try to finish that last rat BS, nothing. If I'm in mission setup I exit, stage left, end of story. Beat your chest all you want; I won't beat my head against PvP rigs under these circumstances. Engaging a pirate geared for PvP while you are mission-rigged is simple stupidity. EVE punishes stupidity.
Tone'Def	Posted - 2006.10.31 05:29:00 - [108] Damian and other would-be mission gangkers- if you want to waste your Eve time trying to probe down off-plane mission runners, head on over to our part of low-sec and have a go. I'll even give you some free advice- watch your back and scan from a very good safe spot. My $0.02 worth, TD
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.31 08:16:00 - [109] Edited by: slothe on 31/10/2006 08:17:36 read this i posted a while back. read the replies too. its almost a definitive guide how to do it. http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=336 i think to start off it helps if you have the right system. the system i work in has three planets triangulated aroound the sun so i can use safespots near these touse probes. not all ships however fall into this triangle, its hit and miss. of note. if im hunting in an evening for example, i would expect to normally track down 2 pilots and usually kill one. points to note - 1. when you track down a ship initially - scan to see how far through the mission he / she is. if its nearly complete dont bother scanning you wont have enough time - it takes 20 mins to track down a pilot completely ( ive had at least 3 pilots finish a mission as im on my last 3au scan probe - i even warped my covert in once to see the pilot warp out). 2. find out which low sec systems are busiest for missions - easily done using different methods. 3. research mission types. if you know what mission there doing you can a) tank according to the damage they will be doing b) arm the weapon type they are not tanked for. 4. if the pilot is doing a multi stage deadspace mission - wait for them to complete the first few stages - you can scan to see what ships / structures are left. the more levels they have done, the less likely they will receive backup / help from locals. i lost a good target once as he called a friend in to help him just as i was killing him and i had to warp out. 5. practice probe tecniques. dont do shortcuts, be methodical and you will track down targets. 6. after killing a few targets move around. often people know you are a pirate and wont do missions if your in the area. 7. if all else fails do "a lofty". - see other threads.
Weakmind	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:43:00 - [110] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Originally by: Bill Shankly Originally by: Mr Trouble Oh dear, some people don't get it do they. I'm a pirate. This means I want to kill ships with expensive loot. No-one pimps their ships out more than mission ***s. This is why I want to kill them. Its economic. PS- Of COURSE I am role-playing, people are welcome to play the game however they wish. And I am welcome to kill whomever I wish in lowsec. haha you mean you cant take on real targets in 0.0 because you are so crap and you cant actually fight someone thats expecting it when its gonna be an equal fight. L2P. Says the alt.... 0.0 PvP'ers dont fit anywhere near as good loot as mission runner do ! For the simple reaon most mission runners play with pathetic levels of risk. Have you EVER been to 0.0 ? Because tbh the players there are quite often just as bad as the empire dwelling ones if they haven't got a fleet with them. Alliaanna** Naaaah, well new people to 0.0 might be, but generally 0.0 is where you find most well fitted tech 2 ships. Unless of course you're talking like goonswarm here, they suck bum ass.
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:15:00 - [111] Originally by: Weakmind Naaaah, well new people to 0.0 might be, but generally 0.0 is where you find most well fitted tech 2 ships. Unless of course you're talking like goonswarm here, they suck bum ass. He was meaning that people in 0.0 dont rat in belts with Gist-X gear and a full set of multibillion is faction mods. T2 gear is good enough, since 0.0 rats are a joke. Of course, complex runners may fit billions of uber mods, but thats because a complex is a uber lvl4 mission. Given that high sec pirates now join mission runner corps, giving them free reign of pirating mission runners corpmates without concord penelty, I would assume it is getting safer, not riskier for low sec runners. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Major Shake	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:34:00 - [112] I just read this whole post O_o. And I would like to say to every fricking mission runner that says be a man and go to 0.0 facing a deathblob is not being a man unless you follow the whole honor in death thing which would become very expensive over time. Scanprobes should operate like your ships scanner by sending out a sphere of "scanning" And why MWD's aren't allowed in deadspace I'll never know.

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