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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.10.22 00:47:00 -
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Hello,
Those of you in Sinister I'm sure know why I was ejected from the corporation.
For those of you who don't:
I recently threatened a corporation member whom I accused of duping and reselling to ebay, and I knew the consequences I took once I delivered this message to the accused. Immediately the accused reported me to higher authority and I was ejected, and my access throughout various forms of information was removed.
After some thought, I want it to be known to Sinister members that I would not have done that to any of you, not even you Poxie. After a discussion with a head from Sinister, it was confirmed to me that I was ejected based simply on the blackmail (which in a way is acceptable) even though my accusations were very true. I do not apologize to the one, whom I'll leave unnoted, I accused.
I wont stand for cheating, much less exploiting a defect in the game then reselling to Ebay like you so much did (accusee).
Regardless of your thoughts of me now (Sinister), I'm not as bad as you see me to be. Many will tell you so. So, I am hereby apologizing to any Sinister member if you ever felt threatened or ashamed to of had me as a member, for I was ejected from my actions (which could have been taken differently - I wont go into detail as to what set me off to down right attempt to blackmail a former corporation member, as to not further hinder his gaming experience), even though my reasons and accusations were honest.
To Poxie:
I want to apologize to you if I ever ragged on you to the point it absolutely bothered you, or if I seemed to have put myself at a higher point then you. But I do have one request/comment. Through communications with loyal friends of mine, it seems your spreading that CCP is giving me perks due to my co-ownership of EVE-DB? Well, this is false my friend. CCP in no way supports or endorces EVE-DB, much less its staff. Also, I apologize if I ever annoyed you with my talks of EVE-DB, I'm just proud. :)
To Leyla and Radek:
I do apologize most sincerely. I could have either just reported the accusee for his actions directly to a higher authority in EVE, or to you guys and decide what to do with him. Sometimes I let my temper speak for myself, which is wrong :) I know. You guys are great leaders, and I expect you will continue to be. Leyla - your influence and organization skills are beyond awsome, keep it up.
On a final note:
No, I'm not asking back in Sinister. Honestly, I planned on leaving quietly once I could roam higher security space anyways. As you guys have gone good (which is seriously true to the public), I can't totally stand it. Regardless of the side of the spectrum your on, you'll always fight, but there is just something that fuels me inside to be able to kill without reason.
So for those of you who remember it, can you say Going Limp campaign?
Anyways - Sorry and good luck.
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Raidek
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Posted - 2003.10.22 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Raidek on 22/10/2003 00:55:06
Apology accepted. Best of luck to you in any future endeavors.
-Raidek
CEO, Sinister Corp.
Proud Member of the Curse Alliance
http://www.afraidyet.net |
Ganja
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Posted - 2003.10.22 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Raidek on 22/10/2003 00:55:06
Apology accepted. Best of luck to you in any future endeavors.
Endeavors.. thats how its spelt, I knew I was wrong..
I would spell it Endevures.. damn ebonics!
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Tyrion Nydaerin
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:37:00 -
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God Ganja you've been in almost as many corps as me 
-=Fountain Alliance High Council Member=- |
Ganja
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:38:00 -
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God Ganja you've been in almost as many corps as me
Considering we were in a good deal of those corps together =P
Doesn't count red boy ;P
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PoXiE
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Posted - 2003.10.22 03:44:00 -
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After I saw what you had done to a fellow corp member i thought of you as scum. Im not saying I in any way, shape, or form condone your actions, but after this post I believe I think more of you as a person than I previously did.
Good luck.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.10.22 04:28:00 -
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ganja is kos for evol, regardless of his leave of sinister.
just fyi. |
sutty
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Posted - 2003.10.22 06:52:00 -
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lol
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:01:00 -
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Nice post, Ganja.
You reported the duper, I hope?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:49:00 -
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ganja is kos for evol, regardless of his leave of sinister.
just fyi.
I think we all have realized that ourselves. You don't have to spam every thread stating how you wil hunt us down. It's getting dull.
For Ganja: Good luck m8. No hard feelings here.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:51:00 -
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How sweet,
Hope your having some fun in your new corp dearie.
This is not a hijack
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Nasty Ways
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:56:00 -
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What will SINC do with their cheating member(s)?
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who didnt know
that there are
NO FAIR FIGHTS
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:17:00 -
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ganja is kos for evol, regardless of his leave of sinister.
just fyi.
At Evolutions rate only the people that are joining EVE today aren't on Evolutions KoS list.
Then again, since you spam about it so much.. your list is something I can wipe my assets with.
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Nice post, Ganja.
You reported the duper, I hope?
Ofc I did. First sight of ejectrion from CA/Sinister I left TomB a msg.
Due to this post, I was actually interrogated by a Senior(?) GM Arkanon and the Dev "Fuhry" whom's role in CCP is highly important as the lead programmer..
So this has caused a stir in the upper areas as well, so dupers beware - they are really *****in down.
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What will SINC do with their cheating member(s)?
The co-leader of Sinister I spoke with that confirmed my allegations were true, also said that his *actions* had stopped.
Sinister is a good corporation, and do not condone cheating or misuse of game mechanics, so I'm sure it has stopped.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:55:00 -
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Nice, so he cheated, but isnt now!!.
So everythings ok then??.
Think not, cheaters only stop cheating when the wrisk gets too high.
Hope he gets banned. Sorry but thats the way i feel.
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Merjan
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:05:00 -
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I am glad Sinister is good corp now.
In fact they are so good when one of their member find a cheater and tell him/her to stop they kick him out of corp for allegedly blackmailing and keep cheater inside.
I guess it beats mining for minerals to replace losses.
If the Sinister was really any good that it would have been CEO's job to report cheater to the CCP or Devs.
I just hope few of you get nice gift from them as this gaming community had have way to much free-riders in it (and i would not mind bistot and arkanor respawning either).
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Tsubaru
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:23:00 -
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O la la
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.10.22 19:02:00 -
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I'm confused as to how Ganja is painted the bad guy here by sinister...
Ganja wth are you apologizing for?
I would feel uncomfortable with a person exploiting and making RL money on ebay as well.
But I guess Pirate corps are supposedly above morals etc.
_______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.22 19:28:00 -
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I'm confused as to how Ganja is painted the bad guy here by sinister...
Seems like instead of reporting him, Ganja went "give me this and to that or I'll report you so you get banned"
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
PoXiE
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:46:00 -
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Correct dalman...that was the reason he was ejected from Sinister.
There was no evidence of the supposed "duper" to ever have done so. And if ANY of you have some kind of evidence of this I urge you to show me. As a fellow corp mate of the accused, I stand behind this person 100%, because I believe this person when he/she says that he/she did nothing of that nature.
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PoXiE
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:52:00 -
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And merjan....there was no "alleged" blackmailing. He did it, and he admits to it. Most of you do not know what you are talking about so stfu.
Like I said before, if there is no evidence then wtf are you people going on. If there was logged evidence, the Gms/Devs would have booted him with the rest of the exploiters.
Im not sure about where all of you people are from but in America, we have a saying.
"Innocent until proven guilty."
I relize in the UK its the other way around and I think thats f*cked up but lets not talk politics here.
Talk facts...if you dont have facts then stfu.
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.10.22 21:06:00 -
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"Most of you do not know what you are talking about so stfu."
This is why I asked.
_______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
Supe
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Posted - 2003.10.22 21:12:00 -
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Good luck man hopefully the local jackasses lay off ya ;/
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PsXDnS
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Posted - 2003.10.22 21:18:00 -
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Good luck man hopefully the local jackasses lay off ya ;/
Like who...
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.10.22 23:00:00 -
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For once I agree with SINC.... OMFG They know a member attempted blackmail by his own confession and remove him. They apparently have 0 evidence that another member did anything wrong and can only go by their past experiences with him to judge his character. Perfectly fair and understandable.
It is now up to CCP to pull whatever info they can to determine with any certainty the guilt or innocence of this person and take the appropriate actions.
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Red Six
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Posted - 2003.10.22 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Red Six on 22/10/2003 23:31:22
I'm agreeing with Sinister on this one. If Ganja had proof of another corpmate duping and selling for real life financial gain he should have gone to CCP and Sinister leadership. From the way I read this he didn't go to either initially, instead he tried to blackmail that corpmate. That corpmate reported it to his corp leadership and Ganja got a pink slip. Ganja then sent his info to CCP.
Ganja claims to hate cheating yet rather than immediately send in a petition with the info decided to go for the blackmail. Only after ejection did he report it, interesting statements with interesting timing.
My question to Sinister is this, what if Ganja was correct and the accused is duping? That doesn't dismiss or excuse his blackmail attempts in any manner; will Sinister break ranks with the accused publicly since this issue has become a public issue? Many people feel that Sinister is a griefer/exploiter corp, personally I've only met you on the field of battle in XX9 and that was a poor choice on our part to fight there given the geography of that system. You got my corpse in that battle fairly as I could have avoided battle but instead chose to engage and have no issue with anything that happened that night and really have no opinion about Sinister either way. A public stance on this may help clear up some of those issues for you and lend some credence to your statement of reforming. IĈm not saying you need to hire Jade to help your PR as quiet frankly sheĈs too long winded. I'm relatively certain that CCP will look into this I'm curious as to what Sinister's follow up will be?
I give Ganja some credit as he has said his apologies and goodbye to Sinister in a fairly classy manner. That in and of itself suggests some level of maturity, which for me recovers a little, not much, of the general respect I give to all EVE players, even the ones who've taken ships and pods from me (I'm just biding my time to get even with you people. MUWAHAHAHA!  ).
My opinions are my own and do not reflect any corporation or alliance opinion.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.22 23:45:00 -
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I wouldnt exactly say that the United States of America is the pillar of ivory you think it to be Poxie, besides, why diss the UK? They are your partners after all.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Leyla
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Posted - 2003.10.23 00:28:00 -
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My question to Sinister is this, what if Ganja was correct and the accused is duping?
Red six : If we had valid proof then yes that person would be ejected from the corp. If someone was cheating and didn't tell a soul, it is very hard to find out. I'm guessing CCP themselves might not catch it and they have the resources to do so. If i knew myself that someone in sinister was cheating then there would be no second thoughts, they would be out the door on their ass.
As for Ganja, what you guys don't know was that there was a chat log that was sent to the leadership from the person being blackmailed. From the logs the conduct was not proper and action was taken. Corp mates should always respect each other, even alliance mates.
For Ganja, that was a class act post and i accept your apology. I'm sorry it had to come to that, but i'm sure we'll cross paths in the future. Good luck to you.
If anyone has any valid proof of any duping etc. please send it to me and appropriate action will be taken (report to CCP and booted from corp)
Thanks,
-Leyla
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