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Nisi Daca	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:56:00 - [1] I know this is a newbie question but my medium lasers damage is all over the place from 5 points + any suggestions on how to maximize its damage? Mind you my skills arnt that great (500k sp spread around)
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:03:00 - [2] train missiles lasers take way too many SP to be good with, also amarr ships are not that good atm and that goes more so for the t1 amarr ships [bar geddon] so as a "noob" its a bad race tbh go caldari, its the only real way a new player can compete in any decent length of time oh and u will see a few posts after this one flaming me aobut how wrong what i just said is, those ppl are either stupid or just want another noob in a apoc to gank
Mishima	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:11:00 - [3] Edited by: Mishima on 18/09/2006 01:11:36 Edited by: Mishima on 18/09/2006 01:11:24 apocs suck, geddons rule my alt is caldari and my main is amarr Caldari are good fast - amarr are good guns are so much different from missiles and anyone who went from amarr to something else will tell you they miss the no-ammo thing I love x-mas :D
Xendie Hunter Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Nisi Daca I know this is a newbie question but my medium lasers damage is all over the place from 5 points + any suggestions on how to maximize its damage? Mind you my skills arnt that great (500k sp spread around) train for any other race instead. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Kirive Gallente Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:37:00 - [5] Guns take a lot longer to get good with than missiles. Keep training. Read guides about tracking, transverse, ranges etc. Check what enemies you are fighting - they may be resistant to your damage. Train more gunnery skills. Try using shorter range crystals - if you find you miss lots, use longer range ammo and stay away from your targets until you have better tracking skills. Keep training gunnery skills. The one thing you shouldn't do is pay attention to flavour-of-the-month whiners. Did i mention you should train your gunnery skills?
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Xendie train for any other race instead. except minmatar... --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:46:00 - [7] Fit heat sinks. While Amarr are short on med slots, we've got plenty of lows, just about any setup I can think of on a BS I have 3 heat sink IIs on. And forget about the armageddon, it's an inferior ship until you have Amarr BS 4. At that point it's a toss up between the geddon and the apoc, but for PvP fits I tend to go with the geddon as the superior ship - you just need to have the skills to make it wortwhile. Forget it with Amarr BS 3 and below.
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:47:00 - [8] Put ~5.2 mil SP into gunnery and lasers should begin to serve you well. Fear is the mind-killer.
Scordite	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:50:00 - [9] The best way to increase laser damage is to yell "PEWPEW!" every time you activate your guns. It works, seriously. Try it. It also has 50% bigger effect if you hold your push-to-talk button down when you do it by the way. ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.09.18 02:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Scordite The best way to increase laser damage is to yell "PEWPEW!" every time you activate your guns. It works, seriously. Try it. It also has 50% bigger effect if you hold your push-to-talk button down when you do it by the way. You rock. ---------- My sig is boring.
Dragerest Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Ituralde Put ~5.2 mil SP into gunnery and lasers should begin to serve you well. ^^ yep. i'm amarr and i love the ship. AF recon HACs geddon.. 5m sp in gunnery. and loving it. ________________________________________________________ nerf WCS
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:59:00 - [12] Put 11.3 million sp into gunnery and lasers will serve you even better. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:28:00 - [13] Originally by: xlop train missiles lasers take way too many SP to be good with, also amarr ships are not that good atm and that goes more so for the t1 amarr ships [bar geddon] so as a "noob" its a bad race tbh go caldari, its the only real way a new player can compete in any decent length of time oh and u will see a few posts after this one flaming me aobut how wrong what i just said is, those ppl are either stupid or just want another noob in a apoc to gank dont listen to this guy! *See You In Space Cowboy*[/url]
Frools No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Stamm And forget about the armageddon, it's an inferior ship until you have Amarr BS 4. At that point it's a toss up between the geddon and the apoc, but for PvP fits I tend to go with the geddon as the superior ship - you just need to have the skills to make it wortwhile. Forget it with Amarr BS 3 and below. Amarr BS3 is the point where a geddon outdamages an apoc with guns actually doesnt count the extra damage from having a much bigger drone bay
Blitzkrieg The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 13:17:00 - [15] fit BCU II's
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Laythun dont listen to this guy! Amen! I've got a huge stash of 5% laser implants waiting for the market to recover, and ol' SpirAcy needs his profits.
CptEagle Gallente Stargate Command...	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:29:00 - [17] Dont go Caldari, everyone is caldari and missiles are extremely boring weapons.
john2 Minmatar Drones of Annihilation	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:53:00 - [18] well i got wrecking of 1270 with a geddon with tach t2 but that is with 12.5 mill in gunny, but rof of 5.16 you can t moan about damage but you have no cap after a few volley only thing that suck
John Blackthorn Foundation	Posted - 2006.09.18 20:34:00 - [19] Edited by: John Blackthorn on 18/09/2006 20:36:01 I find that lasers were much better before the nerf that they got about a year ago.. however to answer your question. You need at least level 4 preferbly 5 in medium lasers then specialize in beam or pulse. Beams are a range weapon with poor tracking decent damage, Pulse are short range with very good tracking weak damage but rate of fire is fast. The biggest weakness of beams is that they use lots of capacitor, and to counter that you need to train your skills to reflect that. Any skill that gives you more capacitor and faster recharge you want to take to 4 and then later to 5. The standard gun skills such as tracking, damage upgrades, weapon upgrades are good to get to level 3 at first then 5 later. Your going to want to pick a ship that has a laser bonus, some have damage, some have tracking some have capacitor usage bonus. And hac's and recons have muliable bonuses. If you go for beams the damage and tracking is the best bonus for you, if you go for pulse the capacitor bonus is the best (remember pulse fire more often using up more capacitor) Next step is to put your skills into your tank setup which most likely will be an armor tank. Look through the skill tree and buy the skills that give your ship the best bonus. If you plan to use a passive resists on your armor tank then make sure you get the armor compensation skills. Good Luck! John Blackthorn Foundation, CEO
Dagam Dagam Corp	Posted - 2006.09.18 20:45:00 - [20] Actually factoring in rate of fire, beam lasers are 50% more cap/sec to fire than pulses. The impression I get with Amarr is you have to ultraspecialize. Train gunnery, engineering (the cap skills) and mechanics to extreme proportions. Get the laser specializations. Ignore engineering shield skills, missiles, and probably EWAR skills. Navigation is somewhat important as many Amarr setups use afterburners.
Mactan	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:21:00 - [21] from my experiance the only downside to lasers is the fact that they are fixed on em and thermal though having said that em thermal are more often than not lower than kin/exp resists so this isnt the end of the world alot of the pro laser posts are true but i fly with a amarr char thats been going for a few years and he takes angels down with lasers quicker than most of my corps raven flyers, with the correct skills at good levels lasers are no worse or better than hybrids and projectiles just pore the sp into gunnery ive ran amarr setups through quickfit that have got up too nearly 800 base dps!! thats not much less than other races and the plus of lasers are the ships there fitted on in most cases amarr ships make very very strong tanks (maller, apoc Prophecy inperticular) so just keep on it! GL & HF
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:26:00 - [22] Just for the record, the Geddon peaks out at over 1300 DPS in full gank mode. (and it's not even all EM/Therm)
Commander Thrawn Fluffy rabbit killer's inc	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:38:00 - [23] chuck some heatsink in there and work on your guns skill, anything that helps with tracking and actually dmg output
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:54:00 - [24] Got just over 12 mill SP in gunnery and large beam spec V is nearly finished. My PvP geddon with tachyon does over 1000 raw dmg/s with its guns easy.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:05:00 - [25] Originally by: twit brent Got just over 12 mill SP in gunnery and large beam spec V is nearly finished. My PvP geddon with tachyon does over 1000 raw dmg/s with its guns easy. You're insane. I haven't even finished Medium Beam Spec IV yet.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:27:00 - [26] Heatsinks and skills. Dont listen to people saying train something else, pick what you LIKE and will enjoy flying rather than what people consider gimp and ub3r. Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected]) CEO - Art of War
Frools No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:28:00 - [27] Originally by: twit brent Got just over 12 mill SP in gunnery and large beam spec V is nearly finished. My PvP geddon with tachyon does over 1000 raw dmg/s with its guns easy. your geddon is not normal most people dont fly around with 120m+ of faction heatsinks and expensive 5% damage implants i have about 6 m in gunnery and my geddon with tachs does about 8-900 iirc
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.19 00:25:00 - [28] Originally by: xlop train missiles lasers take way too many SP to be good with, also amarr ships are not that good atm and that goes more so for the t1 amarr ships [bar geddon] so as a "noob" its a bad race tbh go caldari, its the only real way a new player can compete in any decent length of time oh and u will see a few posts after this one flaming me aobut how wrong what i just said is, those ppl are either stupid or just want another noob in a apoc to gank OMG HAhahaa! I remember this exact argument for Minmatards a while back. But no, don't listen to this guy. Lasers work, its the ships that generally are lacking.
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:47:00 - [29] Yelling PEWPEW while I fire my guns has increased DPS by a startling 1337%. ---------- My sig is boring.
Scordite	Posted - 2006.09.19 21:11:00 - [30] Glad to see my advice was helpful ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.

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