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Lye Raynor
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.09 09:53:31 -
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What is the best way to counter one of these things with another cruiser? Ships? tactics?
Anything helps thanks |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
The Gorgon Spawn
1605
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Posted - 2015.01.09 14:12:26 -
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Lye Raynor wrote:What is the best way to counter one of these things with another cruiser? Ships? tactics?
Anything helps thanks
Try the tactics forum for help.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.09 16:26:44 -
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.09 16:30:38 -
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kill the drones, its basicly a big vexor with a cloak.
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Battle BV Master
Executor BV
Sovereign Infinity
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Posted - 2015.01.09 17:23:41 -
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TD the Gecko(s)
You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed
That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing ****
Its kinda funny really  |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:13:59 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:TD the Gecko(s) You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing **** Its kinda funny really
That's rather frickin' brilliant. They won't think to scoop their drones as they're not taking any damage, yet they won't be able to damage you.
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Battle BV Master
Executor BV
Sovereign Infinity
62
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:33:18 -
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Happy accident messing with Alliance mates on Sisi 
The other guy had no idea why his damage was so low and even if they figured it out mid fight. Calling the drones in and taking the DPS completely off the field is the only thing they can do. In a 1v1 Gecko's always come in small numbers its not that hard to do |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2015.01.09 21:11:22 -
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Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).
There's always a bigger fish. |
atomic killer
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.09 21:20:06 -
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Guys, is stratios any good in general as a cloacky PvP ship ? What worries me is that 10 sec sensor recalibration delay ! |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2015.01.09 21:22:40 -
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Killing Geckos is always good anyway. Even if you lose the fight they lose 30-35m per drone. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8376
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Posted - 2015.01.09 21:29:54 -
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atomic killer wrote:Guys, is stratios any good in general as a cloacky PvP ship ? What worries me is that 10 sec sensor recalibration delay !
yes it is, its great, you just need to account for it
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Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
27
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Posted - 2015.01.09 21:33:39 -
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atomic killer wrote:Guys, is stratios any good in general as a cloacky PvP ship ? What worries me is that 10 sec sensor recalibration delay !
That delay is reduced 10% for each level of the Cloaking skill. So, at level 4, the delay is 6 seconds. The covert T3's suffer this as well, and mostly it's fine.
Stratios can dish out some great dps for a Cov-ops boat, on par with the T3's, but it has a faction-cruiser tank, so it isn't the beefiest ship. The 5/5/5 layout gives great flexibility in fittings. Just fly carefully.
Also, everyone is overlookin the fact that the Stratios has a practically endless drone bay. You'll be trying to kill drones till downtime. Best bet is to kill or run off the hull, and then scoop those 30mil Geckos for your own use. |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta
Brawls Deep
816
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Posted - 2015.01.10 01:06:22 -
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the way u get around the cloaking delay is by ramming the other ship at full speed to bump it out of align. You must be able to then kill the ship in question though or you've just fed them your stratios :p |
atomic killer
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.10 10:32:00 -
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Guys, has anyone good fit for solo Stratios ? |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
71
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Posted - 2015.01.10 10:45:54 -
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Fenris Orion wrote:Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).
There's always a bigger fish.
Geckos hit even frigates if they're webbed, not every time, but considering they can pretty much volley them off field it's not a big issue. And there's really no reason why a Stratios shouldn't have a web.
They also go above 2k and have a 6k optimal, and drone speed rigs aren't all that uncommon. You need more than a 1.500 m/s orbit to force him to use something else really.
They have awesome tracking. In fact, they track better than most medium drones.
Omni links are a thing as well.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
360
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Posted - 2015.01.10 11:21:08 -
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As demonstrated in the AT Geckos also have a relatively low sensor strength and can therefore often be jammed more easily than the ship carrying them (and again the Stratios pilot has to be very attentive to realise what's happening).
So (if you have a spare mid) there are a couple of ewar mods to consider. |
angelic Katelo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.12 16:45:49 -
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atomic killer wrote:Guys, has anyone got good fit for solo Stratios ?
[Stratios, Stratios]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x10
Hornet EC-300 x5
Republic Fleet Bouncer x4
Gecko x4
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Tracking Speed Disruption Script x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x40 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15942
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Posted - 2015.01.13 00:52:06 -
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angelic Katelo wrote:atomic killer wrote:Guys, has anyone got good fit for solo Stratios ? [Stratios, Stratios] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster 10MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Sisters Core Probe Launcher Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x10 Hornet EC-300 x5 Republic Fleet Bouncer x4 Gecko x4 Nanite Repair Paste x500 Tracking Speed Disruption Script x1 Navy Cap Booster 400 x40
That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
896
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Posted - 2015.01.13 03:14:22 -
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Malcanis wrote:That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M.
you haven't looked in a few years 
76m buy 83.5m sell in jita now.
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
1410
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Posted - 2015.01.13 04:02:56 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Malcanis wrote:That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M. you haven't looked in a few years 76m buy 83.5m sell in jita now.
A Caldari Navy scram is a nice poor person alternative
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Spud Lazair
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2015.01.13 12:51:21 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:TD the Gecko(s) You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing **** Its kinda funny really
excuse my ignorance but what is TD?
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Garr Gateway
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.01.13 14:47:32 -
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Spud Lazair wrote:Battle BV Master wrote:TD the Gecko(s) You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing **** Its kinda funny really excuse my ignorance but what is TD?
Tracking disruptor |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15944
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Posted - 2015.01.13 18:23:54 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Malcanis wrote:That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M. you haven't looked in a few years 76m buy 83.5m sell in jita now. A Caldari Navy scram is a nice poor person alternative
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KnightMaire kings
Brutor Tribe
15
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Posted - 2015.01.13 22:05:48 -
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Thare grate for frig fleets to give them more dps and low risk to do so
The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
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Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
29
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Posted - 2015.01.14 20:11:06 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Fenris Orion wrote:Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).
There's always a bigger fish. Geckos hit even frigates if they're webbed, not every time, but considering they can pretty much volley them off field it's not a big issue. And there's really no reason why a Stratios shouldn't have a web. They also go above 2k and have a 6k optimal, and drone speed rigs aren't all that uncommon. You need more than a 1.500 m/s orbit to force him to use something else really. They have awesome tracking. In fact, they track better than most medium drones. Omni links are a thing as well.
Come now, I think you know the drone mechanic better than that. Geckos orbit velocity is 400m/s, which means it catches up, takes a shot, and switches it's mwd off, then has to catch up again. And yes, they'll hit frigates well enough if they're dual-webbed and scrammed. A single web on a frigate with an afterburner won't be enough, though. This is why I stated my counter to the Gecko Strat is to stay outside web range. That or a dual-neutralizer brawler (Vexor Navy for example) should do just fine against the Stratios. |
Soldarius
Kosher Nostra
The 99 Percent
1032
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Posted - 2015.01.16 17:47:38 -
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Yah, each Gecko is basically 2x Ogre IIs with Berserker II speed and tracking. So for shooting big things and webbed medium things, they are awesome. But frigates will just outrun them. So long as you stay out of web+scram range, you should be able to kite them ok.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
80
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:06:12 -
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Fenris Orion wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Fenris Orion wrote:Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).
There's always a bigger fish. Geckos hit even frigates if they're webbed, not every time, but considering they can pretty much volley them off field it's not a big issue. And there's really no reason why a Stratios shouldn't have a web. They also go above 2k and have a 6k optimal, and drone speed rigs aren't all that uncommon. You need more than a 1.500 m/s orbit to force him to use something else really. They have awesome tracking. In fact, they track better than most medium drones. Omni links are a thing as well. Come now, I think you know the drone mechanic better than that. Geckos orbit velocity is 400m/s, which means it catches up, takes a shot, and switches it's mwd off, then has to catch up again. And yes, they'll hit frigates well enough if they're dual-webbed and scrammed. A single web on a frigate with an afterburner won't be enough, though.
No not really. With the drone's 6k optimal an AB frig orbiting the stratios will pretty much always be in range of a gecko. Also, one volley from 2 geckos is often all that's needed to wipe a frig out of the grid. 2 webs makes it way easier, but even with one frigs are pretty much ******, might avoid a couple shots, but sooner or later... pop. I think you're underestimating Geckos tracking. It's better than small rails. And with an omnilink it gets to 1.15 or something like that, which is frankly ridicolous.
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This is why I stated my counter to the Gecko Strat is to stay outside web range. That or a dual-neutralizer brawler (Vexor Navy for example) should do just fine against the Stratios.
yep, on this i can agree. VNI gonna be a tough match up, but Stratioses can fit neuts as well (2 edium neuts, 1 medium nos, 1 small nos/neut), really depends on the specific fit of both ships there. I can't see many instances in which a Stratios would engage a VNI without being perfectly aware of its fit tho. |
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