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Tarishya
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Posted - 2006.09.18 07:17:00 -
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Hello there,
This is not a rant, so please try to be cool ;)
I've been playing Eve with a trial account since a week and if i found it nice and fun at the beginning i'm starting to find it boring. I have 130,000 skill points, which is not much and i hunt in a Kestrel.
I've been mining to make money, it's kind of fun but i wont do that for years. I've been doing agent missions but, woha, doing the exact same mission 100th times isnt fun at all. I've been doing rat' hunting, that was pretty fun but i rip through the pirats in 0.5+ zones and got pwed in 0.4 one in 2s.
I'm playing with a friend and he feels the exact same way. I know Eve is more of a PvP game but with my 130,000 points i might get some troubles...
What are we missing here ?
Thanks,
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.18 07:22:00 -
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well you have been playing for only a week which means you will not have experienced much of what EVE has to offer yet. Also its cool to be playing with a friend, but wider player interaction is quite important so go out there and make some new friends. Low sec rats may pwn you, but if you have an "older" player with you who can tank them, then you don't need to be worried. You just need to get some more skills and give it some time.
Most pve is really about getting isk or resources for yourself so that you can pvp. One day I will have enough _______
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sugark
Caldari SOTI Inc. Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.09.18 07:25:00 -
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I think what makes the game interesting is that you can set yourself new goals and you define them. You donŠt just complete a mission - even though that might be a short-term goal - but you also decide what you want to be, what ship you want to fly next, what ore you want to specialize and so on.
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codepic
Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 07:28:00 -
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When I was a nub, about a week old, I got this problem of getting bored... I knew I just have to get over it... Got friends, did exploration, also flying through 0.0 in a Microwarpdrive fitted frigate...
Joined a player corp, went to live in low sec, joined an alliance, went to live in 0.0 etc...
Now reading your post makes me think "Oh yeah, there indeed WAS this thing called boredom"
Make friends, don't stick too tightly into empire and noob corp and you'll be fine
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SPIONKOP
Caldari Soul Collectors
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Posted - 2006.09.18 07:32:00 -
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On missions change your agent when better ones become available and go for a differnt type. Some missions types are a bit tedious comabat missions can be a bit more fun and risky.
Mining is tedious but can be a risk free way of making isk, but missions may be better. Long time since I been a noob and so much has changed.
Find a corp. Many corps will not take trial accounts but some will. Those that do will help you with advice and free stuff. You will get more free stuff when you lose your trial account status. Working as a team is much more fun than working alone, most of the time.
Go exploring. Eve is a huge place. Just stay away from 0.4 and below unless you join a corp that works/protects their members in this area.
Give the game time. It must be daunting for a noob when people are flying large BS and other ships but in time you too can fly them.
Try and decide what you want to do. Combat, trade, Production, Pirate, Missions etc. Target your skills for the role you want. Your corp will help. High Learning skills help all roles.
If you want instant uberness forget it, this game takes time. Give it time.
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Tissa
Minmatar Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.09.18 07:41:00 -
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Believe it or not in some ways you have an advantage over us older players right now - you have nothing to lose. If it were me I would get into an 0.0 corp (most don't take trial accounts though)or just head off out there with your buddy. Plenty of opportunities to make isk and have fun* out there.
*New clone feeling is always nice
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.09.18 08:00:00 -
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missions totally suck up to at least lvl 3...
but in general, its all about the ring sound in diablo
once bored, omg "diinnnng" a little sound that might be the sound of uberness
of course it never is, so you keep searching :p
for me, eve never fails to keep me in a permanent state of (little) frustration
omg t2 hardeners! so great to use. after a day... mmmh i could go with more cap recharge for that
once done, hmm my guns dont do enough damage
now i see T2 large autocannons as my holy grail, the point where secondary gods will bow in front of me :p but i know that once im there ill find its great but not "uber" and something else will be a new goal :D
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.18 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tarishya I'm playing with a friend and he feels the exact same way. I know Eve is more of a PvP game but with my 130,000 points i might get some troubles...
What are we missing here ?
Well obviously you're missing the PvP part of the game which people seem to do mostly for kicks since it's hardly profitable in long term unless you gank noobs 23/7.
The other point you're missing is that EVE is a game built on community. The only way to actually get in to the game is to start participating whether it means taking a political stand in some 0.0 region or starting to supply the ongoing wars with cheap ammunition and ships. There's also a few subforums here which are very popular, namely Corporations and Alliances Summit and Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions. These two are for many what this game is all about and the dramatic bickering and backstabbing which are both constants in EVE universe are enough for a lot of people to keep paying for the subcriptions.
Then again, for the reason above EVE isn't that much of a mainstream game. As an example I wouldn't be here -with 2 accounts nowadays I might add- without EC-P8R and NFC aka No ******* Clue. The reason these two events made me stay here are mostly mental but that's just how the game works, it either grows on you tightly or completely pushes you away from it.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.18 08:27:00 -
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Have you set yourself any goals in Eve? Just a guess from reading your post but it sounds like you are not used to NOT being told what to do next by the game. Where as other games tell you to complete "objective X", Eve gives you a ship, some money and you're basically told to "go play". There are people who are used to a more structured play style who have trouble adapting to this change and so don't enjoy Eve, it's not a failing, it's just a matter of taste.
The first month or two in Eve is "normally" spent learning about the game, the community and the various mechanics involved (in your case since you mentioned the npcs, spend a little time looking up shield tanking, this will make killing 0.4 npcs etc much much easier). Once you have a better grasp of what you are truely getting into you can put some serious thought into what you really want to do and how you should get there. Just remember, there is very little you cannot do and the only limit is your imagination for the most part.
Anywho, hope that helped and good luck.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Antodias
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.18 09:44:00 -
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I felt the same way about EVE when I originally played the trial, leading me to stop playing my account for several months.
The main problem was; I didn't know anyone. Try and make friends and get into a corp, this is definately not a solo game.
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Something Random
Gallente Crusader Naval Technologies Lmtd
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Posted - 2006.09.18 09:47:00 -
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I agree with WildRho.
The other limit is isk of course.
Id say the game grows as you loosen a wish to have things fed to you and instead look for information... find out what other people do, just ask, some folk will answer in newbie corp im sure.
Perhaps ideas will come from there, jobs even. Trade, politics, command, mining, ratting, pvp, organisation, kicks.... whatever.
The games totally open, the only thing you get fed is missions, and thats only if you want them. The rest is up to you.
Think of it like a sandpit, a few tools and some sand...
Good luck.
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Dudley Beekle
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Posted - 2006.09.18 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tarishya Hello there,
This is not a rant, so please try to be cool ;)
I've been playing Eve with a trial account since a week and if i found it nice and fun at the beginning i'm starting to find it boring. I have 130,000 skill points, which is not much and i hunt in a Kestrel.
I've been mining to make money, it's kind of fun but i wont do that for years. I've been doing agent missions but, woha, doing the exact same mission 100th times isnt fun at all. I've been doing rat' hunting, that was pretty fun but i rip through the pirats in 0.5+ zones and got pwed in 0.4 one in 2s.
I'm playing with a friend and he feels the exact same way. I know Eve is more of a PvP game but with my 130,000 points i might get some troubles...
What are we missing here ?
Thanks,
I know exactly what you mean. I've been playing since Feb '04 and tbh what keeps me playing is the community. I tend to think of Eve as a chat client that provides a complicated common environment to talk about. Join a player corporation that is active and Eve will come alive.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.18 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 18/09/2006 09:53:36 I think joining a corp would be your best move Tarishya.
Find one which caters for newer players. Check out the recruitment forums.
edit: Try this - recruiting noobs
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D2O HeavyWater
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.18 10:05:00 -
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You need to set goals and targets, and then specialise in that field. If you want excitement try joining a pvp corp, its an expensive hobby but gives an amazing buzz when your fighting other players.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.18 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 18/09/2006 09:53:36 I think joining a corp would be your best move Tarishya.
Find one which caters for newer players. Check out the recruitment forums.
edit: Try this - recruiting noobs
I'd also look up Eve University ingame as well. They are a 100% player run corp that was specifically created to help newer players get into Eve, helping develop assets, skills(character and player) and contacts to help you get going.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Tarishya
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:30:00 -
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Thanks for the great answers, i greatly appreciate :)
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Brackun
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Brackun on 18/09/2006 11:37:54 Join a mercenary corporation and serve as a tackler, there you have an important role and get to see people blow up, yay! They will supply you with your ship and modules, and you will probably make a profit if you get to the victims cargo containers first :)
"I sat there, pondering this unusual proposition, and at that moment I was just far too embarrassed to admit that I was unfamiliar with the mechanics of zero-gravity copulation." - P.M.S.L. |
Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:45:00 -
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This is also a great bunch of guys who like to help new players....
Discordant Provisions
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
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Valkazm
Amarr Cursed Spawn Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:54:00 -
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The game might not be for you then as a noobie i just keept planning my next move and amazed at every battleship i saw hoping to fly one of thoose higly expensive ships just learning more and so excited .. So it might not be your game at all if your taking it purely as a game and not enjoying what it can offer or simply playing it like a grind and not excited by the abillity to be in a corporation fleet wars etc .. and have no aspirations ..
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Taizu Lilith
Minmatar Counterglow Kancho Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:54:00 -
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You need to set goals for yourself. Now there is PvP, and I am sure that is where the best fun is had.. but I keep having other goals that keep me from starting PvP. Initially I didn't have any goals.. then I had the goal of doing Research. This took a lot of training time, and also took me doing missions to raise my faction. I am actually still in the process of this, although I have been doing it for months (oh, I need cruisers to do level 2 missions, well that is a lot of skills to be able to do safely.. oh, I need BCs to do level 3 missions.. then a lot of skills to that safely.. now it is oh, I need BSs to do level 4 missions..). I think this has been a goal of mine for over 6 months.
Additionally, I have goals to fly a AF well, so that took some doing (and I still don't fly it well, I can T2 tank and arm it though). So anyways.. there is lots to do. Lots of production and the like also (which is not blow up your ship PvP).
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:03:00 -
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130k skill points is an excellent place to start pvp'ing. Your overhead cost is cheap, your young and willing to learn, and tacklers with dps are always needed by everyone. Your an invaluable resource to pvp so try to put yourself on the market and find a PvP corp that mirrors your personalality.
After 3 years I am still having a total blast!
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Nytemaster
Mega-Deth
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Well obviously you're missing the PvP part of the game which people seem to do mostly for kicks since it's hardly profitable in long term unless you gank noobs 23/7.
Please have your 'Clue' skill up to at least level 4 before making statements that are false. This skill reduces ignorance by 20% per level.
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Nytemaster
Mega-Deth
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi 130k skill points is an excellent place to start pvp'ing. Your overhead cost is cheap, your young and willing to learn, and tacklers with dps are always needed by everyone. Your an invaluable resource to pvp so try to put yourself on the market and find a PvP corp that mirrors your personalality.
After 3 years I am still having a total blast!
Here is a good example of the clue skill being trained properly.
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Benco97
Gallente On Ravens Wings
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:50:00 -
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i'm starting to feel something like this too you know except it's a little different, when i'm not playing the game or on the forum I think "Why do I bother to play?" but then when i'm in the game, no matter what i'm doing even if i'm just sitting there then i'm not bored.. it's odd.
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Kaptein Trefot
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Posted - 2006.09.18 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tarishya Hello there,
This is not a rant, so please try to be cool ;)
I've been playing Eve with a trial account since a week and if i found it nice and fun at the beginning i'm starting to find it boring. I have 130,000 skill points, which is not much and i hunt in a Kestrel.
I've been mining to make money, it's kind of fun but i wont do that for years. I've been doing agent missions but, woha, doing the exact same mission 100th times isnt fun at all. I've been doing rat' hunting, that was pretty fun but i rip through the pirats in 0.5+ zones and got pwed in 0.4 one in 2s.
I'm playing with a friend and he feels the exact same way. I know Eve is more of a PvP game but with my 130,000 points i might get some troubles...
What are we missing here ?
Thanks,
This game is pretty bad for PvE. At one side they try their best to make this game as realistic as possible and the next its so incredible stupid you want to rip your hair off. Why do you get the same bloody missions over again and again? Its stupid and it takes away any sense of realism you have gained from other aspects of the game.
Why not make it so that you can’t do the same mission again until you have completed every available mission? Why not have a "red thread" that goes through every mission from the first level I mission to the last level IV mission? Why not make a lounge area in the stations were you can meet up with your available agents face to face so to speak? Why isn’t there a repair shop agent you can speak to when repairing your ship? If this gets boring in the long run there should be an option to turn it off.
I also have a few concerns about playability of EVE. For instance I doubt many new players realise how to find their highest ranking (quality) agent or actually know that higher quality agents within the same level gives you more loyalty points. There are some easy steps that could be done to make this game much more enjoyable and raise the sense of realism. To me its pretty strange that you drop out of warp 15km from a station and have to move the last bit sub-warp (high level of realism) and then find an agent in the station who gives you a mission with the exact same bad guys you have killed 10 times before.
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Lady Trade
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Posted - 2006.09.18 13:25:00 -
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Well what i find really cool at the time is simply playing around with my fitting, optimizing my tactics and then testing both again and again against an agent mission which is currently to hard (ie. lvl4 WC). You start out with a BS and get ganked by the NPCs in like 3 seconds but already after a few times trying you start learning what you did wrong and how to correct it. so basicly with the same character, the same skills and the same ship you have a completly different outcome just because you use your brain. thats one of things that i love so much about eve - it's unlike other mmorpgs such as wow where loosing doesn't hurt or even disturb you much. here every corner can be your last and only the strong (mentally not skillwise) will survive!
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Ellandrian D'Amerathe
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:46:00 -
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130K SP is a great place to start taking risks and learning the PVP side. Most PVP corps can replace and fit a dozen T1 frigs without batting an eye and fast moving frig gangs are at least in my opinion the most fun way to PVP in Eve.
You will lose ships, probabily a good number of ships but cheap frigs are just that, cheap and the game will just get better as your skills improve.
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Ralara
Caldari Green Peace Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:43:00 -
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Again with the 130k SP being a good place to start fighting people. I just started pvp baout 3 weeks ago with ... just under 4m skill points. The amount of times I'm podded is just funny. Well it would be, if you didn't take into account that it costs me millions in clones.
Find a corp that takes new members and trains them up. Not someone like Bob or LV (mind you LV are pretty cool), but a corp that's there for pvp, where every member can get individual attention. That, combined with low overheads means you'll have fun. Make friends, ask people who kill you if you can join them. When someone pods you, ask them how they did it, and can they give you advice. Those kinds of conversations leads to membership into some of the best corps of the game :)
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Green Peace Corporation
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Doctordoom
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.19 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara Again with the 130k SP being a good place to start fighting people. I just started pvp baout 3 weeks ago with ... just under 4m skill points. The amount of times I'm podded is just funny. Well it would be, if you didn't take into account that it costs me millions in clones.
Find a corp that takes new members and trains them up. Not someone like Bob or LV (mind you LV are pretty cool), but a corp that's there for pvp, where every member can get individual attention. That, combined with low overheads means you'll have fun. Make friends, ask people who kill you if you can join them. When someone pods you, ask them how they did it, and can they give you advice. Those kinds of conversations leads to membership into some of the best corps of the game :)
FIGHT!
buhahahha LAG FIGHT!
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SurfinSeaOtter
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Posted - 2006.09.19 04:52:00 -
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Ok, it's getting said a little... Piracy is the way to go! Nothing like podding a guy who's screaming for his life in local to make you feel good that you're totally ruining some little nerd's day. Remember not too take too long or he'll give you away in local... dead men tell no tales ;) Happy hunting YARRRRR!!!!
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