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Battle BV Master Executor BV Sovereign Infinity 60	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:56:39 - [1] - Quote (If this is the wrong section of the forum please move) Did CCP take on too much work or was it intended to be this slow? Either sounds silly but I honestly would like to know. Not really looking to comment of what has or has not been promised by a DEV or CCP on the subject so far. More aiming at current reality, the delay makes little sense to me. The player interaction in the release order is kinda cute I suppose. But the delays can't be this big, as a Gallente boy I was already sad expecting to have to wait 3 extra months (or in CCP terms, wait 45 bucks ) But the slowed down release schedule that we now seem to be on really just makes it silly. Its a unique ship class with unique abilities. As a Gallente (or Caldari or by the slow release even Minnie) pilot I shouldn't be behind the curve this much. Contest and influance or not, I'm being 'punished' for something I deciced to do before the contest (go Gallente) and had very little ability to influance the release order (whats 1 guy really gonna do on his own?) Nor do I think was it clearly stated what the contest would give, besides an advantage. Many people (including me) would have done more if they knew it was for a T3 Dessie So as far as I know a very small contest (player base wise, I know a lot of people in EVE (In PVP, PVE, Industrial, High, Low, Null) and not one that participated in the contest. CCP feel free to correct me with numbers maybe I just happen to know all the people in EVE that didn't participate ) has had by comparison way too much influance on something that effects and aweful lot of us. This should not effect and annoy 75% (is 75% right? Not sure if each faction actually has roughly 25% of the players) of us for 6+ months which is what its starting to look like. Anyways not to whine, looking to improve for the future, was CCP comfortable being this slow from the start or is that an unexpected by product of actually designing and making the ships? If its the 2nd option I could atleast respect it a little more. Anyone have an idea, insight or (CCP/DEV confirmed) answer to why its going the (slow) way it is?
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7247	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:58:34 - [2] - Quote There's one out already. That's faster than Ive ever seen CCP work before. "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
DaReaper Net 7 1672	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:03:34 - [3] - Quote its the winter, and holiday season, or was, CCP already said the next one won't be out till the release before fan fest. Because they were short staffed last month, which is a given. And as already said, have never seen CCP get a ship out faster then they have been with the T3 dessies. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 30550	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:06:03 - [4] - Quote don't complain cause you have chosen not to participate in the event and now the results are not of your likings
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5789	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:10:05 - [5] - Quote Maybe they looked at their designs and thought, four times the same modes is boring? Then they started discussing other possible modes and went through a few more design iterations. Speculating speculative speculations. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7247	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:10:10 - [6] - Quote Amarr Victor http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/8/8f/Laserrave.gif "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19131	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:17:32 - [7] - Quote Battle BV Master wrote: .... Its a unique ship class with unique abilities. As a Gallente (or Caldari or by the slow release even Minnie) pilot I shouldn't be behind the curve this much. Contest and influance or not, I'm being 'punished' for something I deciced to do before the contest (go Gallente) and had very little ability to influance the release order (whats 1 guy really gonna do on his own?) Nor do I think was it clearly stated what the contest would give, besides an advantage. Many people (including me) would have done more if they knew it was for a T3 Dessie .... There is literally nothing keeping a Gallente, Caldari, or even a Minmatar pilot from training skills necessary to use a Confessor. Claiming you are at a disadvantage when given the exact same toolset as everyone else is complete and utter horse excrement, and you should feel bad for even posting this entitled drivel. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Battle BV Master Executor BV Sovereign Infinity 62	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:18:35 - [8] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: don't complain cause you have chosen not to participate in the event and now the results are not of your likings Oh thats not it, if my text gave you that idea I apologise Everything (well almost) CCP has done lately is about balance, taking away meta's from mods, tiercide, reducing resist bonus from 5 to 4% etc. I mean I am a great fan of all of those things. CCP is on role as far as I'm concerned. But this for a reasonably long time frame creates an inbalance. If CCP would do a DEV blog or official statement somewhere (if they haven't yet I may have missed it) in which they confirm lets say 50% or even 25% of the EVE player base participated I'd feel differently about it. But I don't think the participation level reached even 5% 5% shouldn't effect the game of 75% of the player base. Most things in life come with a threshold to effect change, a contest like this should reach atleast 25% (honestly 50%) participation for it to 'count' Again if CCP can show that it did (which I dont think it did) then that be something. But even then it only justifies the release order not the release rate/speed. Upto now CCP could be called balance incorporated (again I like that), how can these guys that did all that good work come up with something that can't do anything else but create inbalance? Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: There is literally nothing keeping a Gallente, Caldari, or even a Minmatar pilot from training skills necessary to use a Confessor. Claiming you are at a disadvantage when given the exact same toolset as everyone else is complete and utter horse excrement, and you should feel bad for even posting this entitled drivel. Every race has a scan boat, every race has an interceptor, every race has a repper, every race has a well you get the idea. Just because I can train it doesn't mean its balanced. The toolset is equal if its for everyone, you're saying a training que is the only toolset you'd need. Lets say Amarr shouldn't be able to rep anymore. Remove the Guardian and Aug, see how people like the idea of 'just train for the Oneiros...' ps to really prove my point that I simply disagree with how its going and not that its a I don't get my 'toy' thread. I own a Confessor and max trained for it already (same will apply for Caldari and Minnie, can fly just about anything sub cap maxed tbh). Nice boat really is, but I just like Gallente (sue me right?) and I don't see why I shouldn't be able to fly one.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 1048	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:27:42 - [9] - Quote They just got off their Winter holiday. Give them a break for christ sake. Other races will get their T3 Destroyer, when...I don't know...who cares.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 30550	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:34:55 - [10] - Quote because that event wasn't a democratic vote, it was assisting in research (and it was obvious it will be something about T3, everything that includes sleepers is) And you had your warning upfront that the releases would be over a longer period of time

Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1825	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:36:52 - [11] - Quote Literally whining that they added content to the game. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Battle BV Master Executor BV Sovereign Infinity 62	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:37:12 - [12] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: They just got off their Winter holiday. Give them a break for christ sake. Other races will get their T3 Destroyer, when...I don't know...who cares. Then release the 1st one after the holidays not hard to get around that issue I'd say. And to say you don't care when they get released just means you're not intrested in the ship class. Which is fine of course, but I wouldn't post in a thread about when the next mining barge would get released because well I wouldn't care. A statement in a thread only has value if you care about the subject. Hengle Teron wrote: because that event wasn't a democratic vote, it was assisting in research (and it was obvious it will be something about T3, everything that includes sleepers is) And you had your warning upfront that the releases would be over a longer period of time Warnings don't make things right, warning someone that you'll kill them (IRL) before you do it doesn't make it right... Crumplecorn wrote: Literally whining that they added content to the game. Unbalanced content, doomsdays for rookie ships be new content too. But no one would like that would they?
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7249	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:39:44 - [13] - Quote Battle BV Master wrote: I just like Gallente I believe I already stated AMARR VICTOR Also Blood for our Lord Omir Sarakusa Skulls for his throne of Skulls Pew to the Woohoo Battle BV Master wrote: Unbalanced content, doomsdays for rookie ships be new content too. But no one would like that would they? Definition strawman - a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted straw man specious argument - an argument that appears good at first view but is really fallacious "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
Amon Kaates Collective Resurgence 3	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:45:23 - [14] - Quote I would rather CCP not rush the timetable for the T3 dessies coming out. Actually, the more time it takes, hopefully the more nice, polished, and pretty the new Minmatar destroyer will be. What I am keen on seeing, however, is the other racial skillbooks for Tactical Destroyers. It shouldGäó be a trivial matter getting the skillbooks out so the other races can be ready once the ships are added.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19132	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:54:12 - [15] - Quote Battle BV Master wrote: ps to really prove my point that I simply disagree with how its going and not that its a I don't get my 'toy' thread.... How does one prove that a duck is not a duck, when it looks, sounds and acts and DNA tests exactly like one? *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 1049	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:57:11 - [16] - Quote Battle BV Master wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: They just got off their Winter holiday. Give them a break for christ sake. Other races will get their T3 Destroyer, when...I don't know...who cares. Then release the 1st one after the holidays not hard to get around that issue I'd say. And to say you don't care when they get released just means you're not intrested in the ship class. Which is fine of course, but I wouldn't post in a thread about when the next mining barge would get released because well I wouldn't care. Try not to jump to conclusions here friend. I didn't say I don't care about the ships, I said I don't care about the release period. The ships are coming when CCP releases them. Until then Ill just keep ripping around in my Confessor because I had Amarr Dessie at 5/5 long before the T3 dessie announcement
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5792	Posted - 2015.01.09 18:58:25 - [17] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: How does one prove that a duck is not a duck, when it looks, sounds and acts and DNA tests exactly like one? If it responds to the name 'Foltest' it's not a duck no matter what other tests may indicate. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1825	Posted - 2015.01.09 19:03:01 - [18] - Quote Battle BV Master wrote: Unbalanced You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 753	Posted - 2015.01.09 19:48:36 - [19] - Quote Battle BV Master wrote: Then release the 1st one after the holidays not hard to get around that issue I'd say. You complain content release is too slow. Sugguestion offered is to make it slower?
Velicitia XS Tech 2721	Posted - 2015.01.09 20:06:23 - [20] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Until then Ill just keep ripping around in my Confessor because I had Amarr Dessie at 5/5 long before the T3 dessie announcement so, just looked, and apparently I have trained amarr dessie L5 ... perhaps I should try one of these out... suppose "Amarr Victor" is in order. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 560	Posted - 2015.01.09 20:15:16 - [21] - Quote The Minmatar T3 Destroyer can not be released until it looks cooler than the Amarr one. Because Winmatar.
Serene Repose 2038	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:19:15 - [22] - Quote A year from now it won't matter. Think L O N G term. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29365	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:09:58 - [23] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: The Minmatar T3 Destroyer can not be released until it looks cooler than the Amarr one. Because Winmatar. not hard. confessor looks like a grasshopper President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 591	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:25:37 - [24] - Quote So.....using the Confessor until they release the next D3 is....not.....an option? Because Destroyer V is.......hard? Also, from the test server feedback thread for the Confessor.... CCP Fozzie wrote: Sorry Andreus Ixiris, but nobody is "entitled" to always receive their preferred faction's ships at the same time as everyone else. We plan to use this method of release more and more in the future because: a) It allows us to release content to all you players faster with the help of the new release cycle. b) It gives players an opportunity to have a small but meaningful impact on the world of New Eden through their participation in events. c) Far more players have expressed support for this method than have expressed opposition. So in the future if you want access to your favourite faction's ships right away I advise you to participate and help your people win. Vote Sabriz!
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 2260	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:36:57 - [25] - Quote The contest was fair, even if most didn't hear about it it was an equal opportunity 'didn't hear' so we Gallente take our lumps and wait patiently (most of us) I don't want them all at once, I like the idea that they are spread out and we get to savour each one asd admire each new ship. Yeah, new ships. say it with me noooooo shipsssss yes Fair contest with a fair result of having to wait our turn. live with it m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 420	Posted - 2015.01.10 06:50:03 - [26] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Amarr Victor http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/8/8f/Laserrave.gif And that's why we can't have nice things, 'cause we would all end up shooting each other in the face with said nice things.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 420	Posted - 2015.01.10 06:57:47 - [27] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Literally whining that they added content to the game. In an order not of his liking. I swear, some of you could ***** about ANYTHING. CCP could hand you a gift on a silver freakin' platter and people will pitch a hissy-fit about how they forgot to warm it up in a microwave first.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 886	Posted - 2015.01.10 07:32:08 - [28] - Quote I think they are seeing how people use the confessor, then making some tweaks, and then probably do one new t3 destroyer every, or every other, release. Given most of the time since the last release was the holidays, I didn't really expect a whole lot for the upcoming release. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 14434	Posted - 2015.01.10 08:39:58 - [29] - Quote Stopped reading after four sentences. Too predictable what comes. I skilled Amarr Destroyer and Small Energy turret to V. I didn't even notice and I was done. Your post makes you look like a whiny, spoiled and insecure 20 year old. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend "I like the idea of them being spread out" - Mike Azariah, no context. ;)
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 14434	Posted - 2015.01.10 08:40:51 - [30] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: The contest was fair, even if most didn't hear about it it was an equal opportunity 'didn't hear' so we Gallente take our lumps and wait patiently (most of us) I don't want them all at once, I like the idea that they are spread out and we get to savour each one asd admire each new ship. Yeah, new ships. say it with me noooooo shipsssss yes Fair contest with a fair result of having to wait our turn. live with it m Yeah, you like 'em spread out... don't you. ;) Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend "I like the idea of them being spread out" - Mike Azariah, no context. ;)



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