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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:42:00 -
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Hello fellow PVP enthusiasts. I'd like to open with please don't smack on the smack topic. Yeah right.
Anyway I was enjoying a little low sec time with an alliance friend the other night showing him my favorite .1. As it was getting late we decided to be on our way despite the total lack of PVP up till that point. As I was headed to the gate I see a nice red-blinky decloak. Wasting no time I locked, scrambled orbited and F1-F4, that's all the guns I got. Then RL called with my kid fussing in the next room, so I resigned myself to the possibility of getting podded and ran to give her a bottle. I got back roughly sixty secconds later and I see there are now two other players near the gate and my target is warping away. I am totally undammaged. Well that's better than a pod... anyway I type in local "Run monkey run".
The pirate responded something to the effect of "You have to pity the people who make themselves feel big by smacking in local"
Was Run monkey run, smacktalk? I always considered smack to be of the "You're a <explative><explative>... and you <something sexual> blah blah..." or the ever popular, "I'd totally roast your <explative> if I had my <insert magically fitted just right to kill you pwnmobile here>"
I feel it's important to congradulate those who defeat me, and to not use profanity or immply that the person behind the other keyboard is less than a worth while player enjoying a game that lets us fight. Does that leave no room for playful banter in local? Can I call pirates evil monkies, can I call a blob tearing me apart sissies? are these weak insults too much to be fun and in the realm of smack?
To finish the story the pirate claimed that he was attacked by the other two players as well as myself. As I was afk for the whole fight I can't confirm that, but it seems reasonable. So I offered him a 1v1 in local and mailed him a location where I would be. He mentioned that he would not have a 1v1 with other players in local, so I told them in local that I would stop firing on him and attack them if they interfered. Of course he has nothing but my word to go on, and the fact that I called him a monkey. He eventually declined because his ship was not fitted to kill my ship.. I'm not saying that he should trust me but I was cival in every respect, and never used profaniry or implied that he was anything but a running monkey. He repeatedly accused me of being a smack talker and then left the system.
Am I a terrible smack talker? Should I have only nice things to say ever? Or is there room for playful banter w/o actually attacking the person behind the game?
-Galan
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Commoner
Caldari
The Foundation of Free Traders
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Commoner on 18/09/2006 18:50:04
In my view, your commment was quite hilarious :P
But as to what is considered smack, i reserve my right to get ****ed when im killed, the best thing you can do is to write "intelligent" smack....a remark of some sort not using profanity and the usual low-life language.
But yeah, i think your monkey overreacted and i wouldn't consider what you said smack..
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Mazare Mircea
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:58:00 -
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From what I've seen in the short time - compared to others, I've played this game, somple players are are smack obsesive up to the point where they consider "o/" smack, while others truly smack and simply can't shut up. Corps have rules not to say anything in local because it may be interpreted as smack, especially by the first category who has an allarmingly high number of old players in powerfull alliances or corps.
Players who even if they won't wardecc you will hire a merc company to make you're life miserable on a whim.
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keen666
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:04:00 -
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personally, i think if you can't take the smack, your playing the wrong games in the wrong environment. the things that make games like this fun is the fact that you are able to conversate and interact with other people. that's what seperates us from the archaic days when nintendo and atari ruled the gaming world. if you can't tollerate smack it's probably because you can't communicate worth a damn in real life either.
now using profanity and being offensive is something completely different. that can be uncalled for. but celebrating a victory or whatever with something as asinine as "run monkey" is just rediculous. you need help if you take offense to that. i've got an idea to help those that take offense. watch a few R rated movies, go to a frat party or something, leave your house for once and join the rest of the world. smack talk is everywhere. i personally like the smack and think it can make a game more interesting. it keeps us human to express the emotions and not just a drawing of a character. it brings you to life.
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Reincarnator
Amarr
Brute Force Missions inc
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:10:00 -
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 Originally by: keen666
Edited by: keen666 on 18/09/2006 19:08:00
personally, i think if you can't take the smack, your playing the wrong games in the wrong environment. the things that make games like this fun is the fact that you are able to conversate and interact with other people. that's what seperates us from the archaic days when nintendo and atari ruled the gaming world. if you can't tollerate smack it's probably because you can't communicate worth a damn in real life either.
now using profanity and being offensive is something completely different. that can be uncalled for. but celebrating a victory or whatever with something as asinine as "run monkey" is just rediculous. you need help if you take offense to that. i've got an idea to help those that take offense. watch a few R rated movies, go to a frat party or something, leave your house for once and join the rest of the world. smack talk is everywhere. i personally like the smack and think it can make a game more interesting. it keeps us human to express the emotions and not just a drawing of a character. it brings you to life.
and you also have the choice not to read it. how many "smackhaters" have ever thought of that?
Way to read the OP!
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keen666
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:16:00 -
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Way to read the OP!
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it's probably because you can't communicate worth a damn in real life either.
i was agreeing with him....and we were obviously talking to you.
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Cryptic Myst
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:44:00 -
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Last night in local (paraphrased)
killer: I will sell this corpse to who wants it
killer: Special discount to the [victims corp]
vicitms friend: Keep talking smack
unknown randdom guy 1: Why do you smack? Grow up.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.18 23:12:00 -
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I agree with what you said about smack talk. Alot seem to think that anything but want to 1v1 and good fight tends to be smack talk in local.
also learnt the hard way. almost never is there a fair 1v1. its more like wanna 1v1? ok meet me at (insert place here) and then turns into gank v 1
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Dark Vishnu
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Posted - 2006.09.19 02:01:00 -
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i wouldnt say that the most examples here are so bad.
uhm Galan you dont know what happened when you was afk, and
you didnt say anythink about the ships.
it could be that you was in a bs or ceptor and he was in a industrial
or something. then i would act like him.
anyway you dont know so its senseless to think over.
a little bit talking with the enemy isnt so bad.
but i prefer to fight first then talk. i dont want to waste my time
chatting when i want to fight.
what i dont like is when 9 people comming into the system
and flaming on you over 2 sites in local that your a chicken, carebear
and you should dock out and get the 9 vs 1.
and then the same corp is quiet when 5 of us and 6 of them are in local.
and of course they dont dock out or something.
oh yes and i really like the miners when they think they have to play police
and keep talking in local that you have to left the system or a 10 bs fleet
will come and i will die etc. (i know so much fleets are after me i think they
must have huge lagspikes and blocked gates since months ^^).
and someone said something about the 1vs1.
the same corp asked 1 of us for 1vs1 at their safespot.
3 of them in local and one of us.
our man won the fight, he head for the gate to leave the system then the 2 others
warped to the safe, he warped to the gate (wait a little) then jumped through.
they did the same but i waited for them and kicked 1 in his pod.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Was Run monkey run, smacktalk?
Rather than define 'smacktalk' by the words used, think it is better to consider the intent? That is, all talk that is intented to annoy/disgrace/etc other party is smacktalk.
Also might be extended to include all things that you know would annoy others, even if you don't mean it that way.
So, how calling someone a 'monkey' would not be viewed as smack?
Among your friends you might call each other as monkeys, but what about random RL person you meet; would he see it as harmless habit? How about your boss?
Anyway, we have this anonymous faceless net thingy; you can afford to disrespect random fellows you meet without RL consequences.
Doesn't mean you have to.
-Lasse
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Franky B
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Franky B on 19/09/2006 14:37:50
you might want to ask ginger magician about when it becomes "smack talk" since he's now been banned for doing it (or so ive heard) :p
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
Liberate Vos Ex Inferis
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 19/09/2006 14:49:21
As in any written comunication channels. Its importent to understand that its very hard to say things in the exact maner we want the reader to understand it. As the human language consists of 80% body language its easy to see that its damn near impossible get things said in the way we want it to be understood.
This are problems that we experience in workd using our email and also in eve.
To me friendly banter in local is part of the game. But keeping it friendly and with a tutch of irony is hard.
I have no answere to your question, exept that i would not have seen your comment as smack.
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Alex Logan
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:24:00 -
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I think 'when does it become smack-talk' is purely down to the individual!
One mans 'haha' is another mans tear inducing offense...
For me personally, I tend to stay quiet in local but really don't mind what people say to me. It's a game so I view it as such.
To be honest though, if ccp removed the damn 15min aggro timer i think we'd see a whole lot less smack.
As soon as i pop someone I stare at the local channel just waiting for it to kick off. Really, it's inevitable....
Down with the 15min aggro 
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sharkyballs
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.19 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: HeikkiRather than define 'smacktalk' by the words used, think it is better to consider the intent? That is, all talk that is intented to annoy/disgrace/etc other party is smacktalk.[/quote
i think that annoy/disgrace/etc is not smack, it's just rude. smack is more like what a football team might do back and forth to one another before a game to pump themselves up. both of which are part of everyday conversation. yes, i so "smack" talk back at my boss if i know i'm correct. it's an aggresion thing. like someone said before i think, if you can't take a little smack, then just stay outta local.
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.09.19 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Franky B
Edited by: Franky B on 19/09/2006 14:37:50
you might want to ask ginger magician about when it becomes "smack talk" since he's now been banned for doing it (or so ive heard) :p
game or forums?
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.09.19 17:12:00 -
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Meh, what you said was pretty innocuous.
It's when comments border on the personal that they become "smack" and thus unacceptable in my book.
In a game where part of the fight is instilling fear or uncertainty into your opponent local can be a useful tool
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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:19:00 -
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Thanks to all for the reponses. In response to a post above I do know the other pilot was in a frigatte. I am pretty sure it was T2, probably expensive, and given the log info, ill suited to combating my interceptor. He fired several times to no effect. If the other two ships engaged him I can certainly see him feeling put upon and like the world was against him. After all he had sec status of lower than -5, the worlds are against him. But thanks to all of your input I feel confident that I was not out of line.
As for "Smacktalk" I'd have to say what we have is a poorly defined term that generates much of the same type of complaints as piracy does.
I would place it in two catagories, 1. Banter. Friendly or semi-frendly jibes from one oponent to another when it has been established that they are well matched in combat. Or have tested each others mettle at some point. This can be just conversation about the fight or it can be like my "Run monkey run." Though in retrospect I'd like to have said "run Forest run" I think that'd have been funnier. The point is that I had atacked him, and was willing to do so again, or fight a duel and was not hiding behind tough talk to look bigger than I was or belittle him. I was just trying to get him to meet me for a more decisive confrontation.
Then you have 2. Bluster, In this case you have either a brutally supirior force or a horribly inferior one. It is clear who would win a physical confrontation and or who has one through a gank or better skills or what not. The point is that the participants are not on an equal or near equal footing and they have degenerated into ill tempered language to attack each other.
The thing is both 1 and 2 can be catagorized as smack talk. SO I'll probably be a little more careful what I say in local in the future.
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:23:00 -
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1 line like run monkey RUN!!!! is smacktalk, but it's fun smack talk. It's not like you spent an hour just smacktalking on local, so i got no clue what his problem is.
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Lumel
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.09.19 20:47:00 -
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I'm a little surprised by the general use of kid gloves in this topic. Clearly the line was smack talk. It might have been light in nature, but yes, it was smack.
These questions reveal the real underlying issue of the post:
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Am I a terrible smack talker? Should I have only nice things to say ever? Or is there room for playful banter w/o actually attacking the person behind the game?
The truth of the matter is that somehow you are bothered by the idea that you are a smack talker. Basically, get over it, don't talk in local, or always think to talk politely in local. Or whatever.
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Herbius
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Posted - 2006.09.19 22:29:00 -
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Smack is bad, yes. But no one is stopping you, so why would you stop if you enjoy it? 
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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.09.19 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lumel
I'm a little surprised by the general use of kid gloves in this topic. Clearly the line was smack talk. It might have been light in nature, but yes, it was smack.
These questions reveal the real underlying issue of the post:
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Am I a terrible smack talker? Should I have only nice things to say ever? Or is there room for playful banter w/o actually attacking the person behind the game?
The truth of the matter is that somehow you are bothered by the idea that you are a smack talker. Basically, get over it, don't talk in local, or always think to talk politely in local. Or whatever.
Very close to the head of that nail. What I am bothered by is the implication that playful banter and hours of explative filled whining are equaviliant. I recognize how important reputation is in this game and if I have been unwittingly undermining mine I intend to reverse that dammage. However I felt that the other party was most likely over reacting to the actual comment. To a large extent I still believe that to be the case. My intention to be more careful in what I say is just to be certain that when I speak as Galan the comments are to the other character and not to the person playing that character. To such an extenent as that is possible.
So yeah, I'mn over it, I may still call some of you monkies, but I'll mean it in the nicest possible way
-Galan
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