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Sean Dunaway EagleClaw Dynamics 16	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:46:15 - [1] - Quote I have learned that everyone in this game is out to get you. I have decided to make no friends and instead kill everyone I see, besides my real life friends who are in this alliance I will be joining. (It is nullsec) Any suggestions on how to not die? Went on a "roam" with my friends yesterday. Brought my cynabal. Next thing I knew they were all shooting me. I nearly killed their confessor. I guess you can never know who is a friend. *Elegance Beyond Your Dreams* *Salvation Behind Your Screams*
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15741	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:50:47 - [2] - Quote It's not the other people's fault you lack the skills to recognise bad apples. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7876	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:53:30 - [3] - Quote Relevant: Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8457	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:54:03 - [4] - Quote Ouch, pitty. How did you come by these "friends"? "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 185	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:55:54 - [5] - Quote As your title states, and you didn't even follow it. there are many stories in eve over trusting people, real life friends and friends you meet in eve "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 537	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:31:22 - [6] - Quote Sean Dunaway wrote: I have learned that everyone in this game is out to get you. I have decided to make no friends and instead kill everyone I see, besides my real life friends who are in this alliance I will be joining. (It is nullsec) Any suggestions on how to not die? Went on a "roam" with my friends yesterday. Brought my cynabal. Next thing I knew they were all shooting me. I nearly killed their confessor. I guess you can never know who is a friend. You have learned one of the most valuable lessons Eve has to teach - trusting people who have not earned it is a bad idea in Eve and in real life. For some actual useful information I will offer you the following: If a corporation lets you in without doing any kind of interview/background check - use caution. It's either a trap, or your stuff will be at risk when they let in the next awoxer. Fully vet any corporation you plan to join. They'll be doing it to you, you should be doing it to them. Check killboards, forum posts, reddit, do a google search on prominent members. If anything seems fishy, run, do not walk, in the other direction. Move in slowly. Do not bring all your expensive assets to the corporate HQ system for a few days at least. This gives you a chance to check out the corp from the inside and see what the culture's like. This won't protect you 100% of the time -- nothing in this game is meant to be 100% safe. But if you do your due diligence, you can protect yourself from most of the bad things that happen in this game. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?! This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
Ryuu Towryk The Nephilim Covenant 39	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:39:51 - [7] - Quote Hell, I don't even trust myself.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1448	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:42:49 - [8] - Quote Following that rule is impossible as you would have to trust the dude who suggested it to you.
Sean Dunaway EagleClaw Dynamics 16	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:44:58 - [9] - Quote Don't trust the devs *Elegance Beyond Your Dreams* *Salvation Behind Your Screams*
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15787	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:52:51 - [10] - Quote It always amuses me how people only ever come up with defensive measures....... Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1450	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:54:22 - [11] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: It always amuses me how people only ever come up with defensive measures....... OP started on the offensive by, according to himself, shooting everybody.
Dradis Aulmais By Light and Banner's Fallen 532	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:55:17 - [12] - Quote http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5F4ZOGNq3Gk/VLA1_zXkEDI/AAAAAAAAC4I/QgyXN9GqYbE/s1600/congrats.jpg
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 869	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:00:58 - [13] - Quote I'm not entirely certain how this thread is supposed to work. If your starting definition say "Trust Nobody" and I give you an advice, you aren't supposed to trust me as per your definition. But if I confirm your statement and say that you are correct and shouldn't really trust anyone the things start to be a bit messy. Let's say you trust my confirmation that you shouldn't trust anyone. In this case you have trusted me despite your original statement, but at the same time you don't trust me because you found my advice ("trust nobody") true and thus not trusting me either. In the other case, where I say "trust nobody" and you decide to stick to your original statement and don't trust me to trust nobody, you are sticking with your original statement but at the same time don't trust me when I confirm it. So, in conclusion, I will give you one advice: "Trust nobody" and you decide what you're going to do with this mess. *Anti's PvE Video Guides - constantly updated*
Dradis Aulmais By Light and Banner's Fallen 532	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:05:51 - [14] - Quote Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: I'm not entirely certain how this thread is supposed to work. If your starting definition say "Trust Nobody" and I give you an advice, you aren't supposed to trust me as per your definition. But if I confirm your statement and say that you are correct and shouldn't really trust anyone the things start to be a bit messy. Let's say you trust my confirmation that you shouldn't trust anyone. In this case you have trusted me despite your original statement, but at the same time you don't trust me because you found my advice ("trust nobody") true and thus not trusting me either. In the other case, where I say "trust nobody" and you decide to stick to your original statement and don't trust me to trust nobody, you are sticking with your original statement but at the same time don't trust me when I confirm it. So, in conclusion, I will give you one advice: "Trust nobody" and you decide what you're going to do with this mess. My mind went boom.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15789	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:09:20 - [15] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Solecist Project wrote: It always amuses me how people only ever come up with defensive measures....... OP started on the offensive by, according to himself, shooting everybody. Oh no, I mean in context of trust. People always only come up with defensive measures, like checking APIs, not letting people access hangars... that kind of stuff. On one side it amuses me, but on the other I know that the offensive measures are secrets well kept to ones self ... and worth dozens of billions up to pricelessness. I am just happily observing what people have to say about this. ^_^ Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6522	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:15:23 - [16] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Solecist Project wrote: It always amuses me how people only ever come up with defensive measures....... OP started on the offensive by, according to himself, shooting everybody. Oh no, I mean in context of trust. People always only come up with defensive measures, like checking APIs, not letting people access hangars... that kind of stuff. On one side it amuses me, but on the other I know that the offensive measures are secrets well kept to ones self ... and worth dozens of billions up to pricelessness. I am just happily observing what people have to say about this. ^_^ Basically a titan on an NPC corp alt. That will be seen one day and converted into a killmail by PL in lowsec. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15790	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:17:06 - [17] - Quote That's interesting ... but I don't really get it. How is that an offensive measure? I'm not into nullsec things. :) Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15790	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:25:27 - [18] - Quote Oh btw I can contribute a defensive measure. Those who are liked by the most ... ... most often don't share all of their thoughts. And another one is that one's use of language most often is his biggest weakness. This counts for both side of the equation. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Sean Dunaway EagleClaw Dynamics 16	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:30:48 - [19] - Quote Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: I'm not entirely certain how this thread is supposed to work. If your starting definition say "Trust Nobody" and I give you an advice, you aren't supposed to trust me as per your definition. But if I confirm your statement and say that you are correct and shouldn't really trust anyone the things start to be a bit messy. Let's say you trust my confirmation that you shouldn't trust anyone. In this case you have trusted me despite your original statement, but at the same time you don't trust me because you found my advice ("trust nobody") true and thus not trusting me either. In the other case, where I say "trust nobody" and you decide to stick to your original statement and don't trust me to trust nobody, you are sticking with your original statement but at the same time don't trust me when I confirm it. So, in conclusion, I will give you one advice: "Trust nobody" and you decide what you're going to do with this mess. I don't have to trust you, but I can take your advice. *Elegance Beyond Your Dreams* *Salvation Behind Your Screams*
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15791	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:35:27 - [20] - Quote Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse. Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. I won't go into details... boring ..... Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ... ... to light up a cigarette ... ... even when it's right next to me ... ... I just say No and ignore them. Reactions are hilarious! XD Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 659	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:41:35 - [21] - Quote This is EVE Online
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15795	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:43:56 - [22] - Quote People who say "trust nobody" are making themselves easy targets, because they expose a lack of certain, universally applicable, social skills. Keep going! :D Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Mila Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 4	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:44:19 - [23] - Quote U seem mad Aren't they simply helping you by applying the Darwin protocol?
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1451	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:56:04 - [24] - Quote Don't trust people with something you can't afford to lose just like ships should be the "rule" but there is a bigger value linked by people to trust because of the emotional investment so it "hurt" more to be betrayed than just losing a ship.
Gregor Parud 892	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:57:10 - [25] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. Not necessarily. On some of my alts I join corps to help them out and get proficient at EVE and one of the first things I'll do is drop some "bait" so to speak, something worth 100-200 mil or so. I don't care about isk but I do care about my time so it's a pretty good test to see if they're worth my time and effort. If they do grab it I consider it cheap intel and simply leave or actually turn on them.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6057	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:58:35 - [26] - Quote Sean Dunaway wrote: Any suggestions on how to not die? I have one. But you won't like it. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kalwas Denitas 13	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:04:16 - [27] - Quote It's not always that you just can't trust anybody. Think of it as survival of the unit. The corp/gang/alliance isn't untrustworthy, pointless and full of people out to get each other.. they are just weeding out the ones hey don't like, eating the weak, strengthening their core. You simply didn't belong anymore. A harsh reality that many of us face if we don't pay attention.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15869	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:20:17 - [28] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. Not necessarily. On some of my alts I join corps to help them out and get proficient at EVE and one of the first things I'll do is drop some "bait" so to speak, something worth 100-200 mil or so. I don't care about isk but I do care about my time so it's a pretty good test to see if they're worth my time and effort. If they do grab it I consider it cheap intel and simply leave or actually turn on them. So far, from your own words, that doesn't earn you trust. It earns you the position of a person who likes to give. Most oftenly such position doesn't make you trustworthy, but a target. Guessing, I do assume you try to test who is trustworthy? When you write "I drop some bait" you don't really explain what you are doing. Is it a can? Do you give it to them in station, via trade? etc etc. If you care about people learning something from you with this, then you need to explain the situation, the context and your intention properly. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Renegade Heart Deadly Fingertips 368	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:20:52 - [29] - Quote Sean Dunaway wrote: I have learned that everyone in this game is out to get you. Not always, but in general, there are lots who will capitalize on opportunities that may present themselves. Sean Dunaway wrote: I have decided to make no friends and instead kill everyone I see, besides my real life friends who are in this alliance I will be joining. (It is nullsec) Not blue shoot it - good idea in null sec! I've also tried the don't-place-any-trust-in-people-I-don't-know-in-real-life approach and this explains why I've mostly been in 1-man corps. But sometimes it can be fun trusting random people. Sometimes it even pays off! Sean Dunaway wrote: Any suggestions on how to not die? Went on a "roam" with my friends yesterday. Brought my cynabal. Next thing I knew they were all shooting me. I nearly killed their confessor. I guess you can never know who is a friend. I like to minimise risks myself here. I am not bothered if I get blown up really, just as long as when I do explode I've only lost something I was planning to lose anyway. Always have a plan for what to do after you explode! As for knowing who is a friend, I've heard EvE stories of people betraying RL friends. That happens too! What is worse, sometimes you might think that someone is the most reliable person you know, but even they could still turn on you, after a few years! Well EvE does have lots of risks, but really, that just adds to the fun if you play the game right. I don't mean that newer players can't play it right, like an "expert". By playing it right, I mean, playing a game to have fun! Whether this means taking out a bank loan, buying a big stack of plex, and sending it all to an isk doubler, or PvP'ing in cheap t1 frigs is up to you of course.
Gregor Parud 893	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:28:52 - [30] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. Not necessarily. On some of my alts I join corps to help them out and get proficient at EVE and one of the first things I'll do is drop some "bait" so to speak, something worth 100-200 mil or so. I don't care about isk but I do care about my time so it's a pretty good test to see if they're worth my time and effort. If they do grab it I consider it cheap intel and simply leave or actually turn on them. So far, from your own words, that doesn't earn you trust. It earns you the position of a person who likes to give. Most oftenly such position doesn't make you trustworthy, but a target. Guessing, I do assume you try to test who is trustworthy? When you write "I drop some bait" you don't really explain what you are doing. Is it a can? Do you give it to them in station, via trade? etc etc. If you care about people learning something from you with this, then you need to explain the situation, the context and your intention properly. An item in corp hangar station container, a ship in their POS, if they lack all that an item in a anchored can they know the password to. Or I'll lend them a ship, stuff like that. And yes, I'm doing it to test if they're worth my time.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15888	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:43:06 - [31] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: An item in corp hangar station container, a ship in their POS, if they lack all that an item in a anchored can they know the password to. Or I'll lend them a ship, stuff like that. And yes, I'm doing it to test if they're worth my time. Ah I get it now. You are testing them! That's not the same as trying to manipulate someone into trusting you, though. Tbh, it sounds quite of easy to spot, but I guess there's lots of talking that your post misses out here. :) I'd love to know more about how this worked out for you! (: Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D > The Project will make you happy.
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 299	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:48:42 - [32] - Quote Sean Dunaway wrote: I have learned that everyone in this game is out to get you. I have decided to make no friends and instead kill everyone I see, besides my real life friends who are in this alliance I will be joining. (It is nullsec) Any suggestions on how to not die? Went on a "roam" with my friends yesterday. Brought my cynabal. Next thing I knew they were all shooting me. I nearly killed their confessor. I guess you can never know who is a friend. That type of thing usually happens to people who betray their corp or their friends. So be honest, what did you do to **** them off? A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Aladar Dangerface Absolutely Certain 61	Posted - 2015.01.12 17:49:14 - [33] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse. Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. I won't go into details... boring ..... Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ... ... to light up a cigarette ... ... even when it's right next to me ... ... I just say No and ignore them. Reactions are hilarious! XD If i asked for a light and your lighter was just lying there and you said no. I'd just take it. If you can break the socially acceptable rules then so can i :D I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1453	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:06:27 - [34] - Quote Aladar Dangerface wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse. Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. I won't go into details... boring ..... Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ... ... to light up a cigarette ... ... even when it's right next to me ... ... I just say No and ignore them. Reactions are hilarious! XD If i asked for a light and your lighter was just lying there and you said no. I'd just take it. If you can be a **** then so can i :D I need to start carrying lighters as a non smokers to break them before their very eyes when they ask if I have one.
Gregor Parud 894	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:11:29 - [35] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: An item in corp hangar station container, a ship in their POS, if they lack all that an item in a anchored can they know the password to. Or I'll lend them a ship, stuff like that. And yes, I'm doing it to test if they're worth my time. Ah I get it now. You are testing them! That's not the same as trying to manipulate someone into trusting you, though. Tbh, it sounds quite of easy to spot, but I guess there's lots of talking that your post misses out here. :) I'd love to know more about how this worked out for you! (: It hardly ever goes wrong, mostly because I tend to do my homework before deciding to help out some group. It's gone sour a few times but in about half of those cases they ended up paying dearly for that mistake.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 15898	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:11:46 - [36] - Quote Aladar Dangerface wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse. Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. I won't go into details... boring ..... Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ... ... to light up a cigarette ... ... even when it's right next to me ... ... I just say No and ignore them. Reactions are hilarious! XD If i asked for a light and your lighter was just lying there and you said no. I'd just take it. If you can be a ** then so can i :D I'm not a for saying no. :) You are a for assuming that asking me gets you anything. I'm seriously still waiting for that one sorry ass who takes it ......... Ralph King-Griffin > you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D > The Project will make you happy.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5737	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:13:23 - [37] - Quote Trust is one of the most valuable commodities in Eve. You can't just buy it, you have to earn it, and if you misplace it - it could be gone forever. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 31123	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:29:01 - [38] - Quote I trust everybody I meet and I never had a problem with that
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 1875	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:33:51 - [39] - Quote So, how many of them did you kill? After all the Cynabal is an awesome kiting/PvP ship.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19218	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:52:04 - [40] - Quote "Friends" ask a PvP newbie to bring out a pirate cruiser on a roam, Newbie is surprised when "friends" shoot him. Sigh. I blame Highsec, eventhough it was Nullsec, I blame Highsec. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno. 4260	Posted - 2015.01.12 19:02:59 - [41] - Quote Renegade Heart wrote: Whether this means taking out a bank loan, buying a big stack of plex, and sending it all to an isk doubler is up to you well obviously that wouldn't work and they'd keep all the plex you'd need to send those to a plex doubler you people just don't think anymore
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19220	Posted - 2015.01.12 19:09:10 - [42] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Renegade Heart wrote: Whether this means taking out a bank loan, buying a big stack of plex, and sending it all to an isk doubler is up to you well obviously that wouldn't work and they'd keep all the plex you'd need to send those to a plex doubler you people just don't think anymore I am a trusted PLEX doubler, and there are many satisfied customers who will attest to that fact. Look in C&P! Do you see any 'UaE scammed me!!!1111!!1!!!!!eleventyone!!' threads? Nope. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Aladar Dangerface Absolutely Certain 62	Posted - 2015.01.12 19:20:01 - [43] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Aladar Dangerface wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse. Trust isn't gained by giving something ... ... but by making the other person give you something. I won't go into details... boring ..... Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ... ... to light up a cigarette ... ... even when it's right next to me ... ... I just say No and ignore them. Reactions are hilarious! XD If i asked for a light and your lighter was just lying there and you said no. I'd just take it. If you can be a ** then so can i :D I'm not a for saying no. :) You are a for assuming that asking me gets you anything. I'm seriously still waiting for that one sorry ass who takes it ......... Edit: Your thought of me being a ** highlights one of the issues people have without realising. It's you who is the **, because you think that asking means you should get what you want. No, you shouldn't. Instead, when you just take it then yoj show not only that you are a massive hypocrite ... ... No... your sorry ass will get what it deserves....... I am a and particularly proud of it aswell. And as someone who is a and well versed in being so: Saying no to someone for the sake of saying no does make u a if you are in no way losing anything by saying yes. I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.**
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3572	Posted - 2015.01.12 19:51:33 - [44] - Quote Thread locked. The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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