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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:29:00 -
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Well I have now reached the point where I have been playing Eve for nearly six months. I have my BS and enough ISK to consider my in game character comfortable.
Sadly it seems as though there is little left for me to do apart from roam around low sec Empire space or 0.0 looking of miners / N.P.C. hunters to pod or extort. This in itself can be a difficult practice and you often spend hours warping round looking for targets only for them to warp as soon as they see you (which is, in reality, the sensible option!).
So I now ask myself where I go from here - if you are reading this post in a positive and warm mood about Eve herein lies a warning; it is not my most positive contribution to this forum ever although I believe it contains key issues that CCP has to address if the game is to truly prosper.
Since I joined there has been new little new content although despite this some good additions have been made to the game.
Regardless of the above we are still yet to see anything come of the joint Caldari / Gallante research project and the whole Jovian thing has died a death. As for the way that Miner 2's were introduced into the game - well it was completely farcical and someone once described it as "finding the cure for AIDS and giving it to Microsoft".
Player / Polaris run events have been few and far between. When they have emerged they have been poorly organised often leading to hundreds of ships inhabiting one area thus causing incredible lag and other server related issues. In short these have bordered on a waste of time and the Amarr vigil thing didn't offer anything that couldn't be read on this forum twenty minutes after it happened.
Then there is the standing joke that is CCP customer service. Bugs that were present in beta / early release are still there and many long promised features are yet to materialise. Large amounts of people don't bother filling out bug report forms because they know that little will be done to address the issues and there has been some suggestion (although not confirmed) that certain people at CCP have been deleting these in an attempt to create the impression that all is going well to their bosses.
What we need from CCP is communication. We have said it countless times before. The biggest disappointment of Eve so far has been CCP signal failure to reflect player optimism and re-package it into a vision that all users can relate to. CCP talk of expansion packs and add-one but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think that we will ever see such a thing as a first person option in the future despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?
Whilst on the subject of CSM we are often promised new content / fixes "some time soon" but as has been shown in another thread CCP definition of "some time soon" can be bought into question.
In truth few of us players know where the game is going. Eve is decidedly light on any true content and it is a shame that regardless of how advanced your character is the best way to generate ISK is to sit in front of an asteroid for hours on end dragging ore from cargo hold to container.
The market system is still a joke with most trade routes being filled within two hours of downtime. This is despite calls for NPC buy orders to be "randomised" so that people who cannot play straight after downtime have an equal chance of profitable trading.
CCP once spoke of making trade goods an item required for ship production thus creating player generated demand but personally I think it will be a long time before this ever happens (if ever).
Baby 'roid issue? Don't even get me started .
As for player numbers these seem to have levelled out after a slow decline since early summer. Many people have quit the game after feeling that their character was "saturated" and that they had nothing more to achieve. Apparently Eve is about to be launched in Asia and whilst this can only be good any new players will still eventually find fault with many of the issues that we are all experiencing.
Whatever the plan we need CCP to explain it us, otherwise the vacuum in communication is inevitably filled with hearsay and assumption, and the only way to hear the truth is to try and make head or tail of some CSM chat log. ItÆs easier making sense of the Hutton Inquiry.
I make no apologies for the feelings expressed above but I am sorry if they cast a dark mood. Some of you might be fully in tune with me many more may not. I just hope my concerns over the future of the game are unfounded and, if not, that they are addressed and put right before we all look to go and play something else as many already have done.
Fire engine on standby for flaming.
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Nightm4re
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:30:00 -
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meeep meeep
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Easy Target
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:58:00 -
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okays.... how did u make so much money in 6 months?? i`ve been playing for 6 months and i cant even afford criusers!!!
never mind hey...
just thought i would add that in. :-)
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Zell
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Posted - 2003.10.22 16:08:00 -
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Maybe if the time spent by CCP on pirate related "activities" ie. gate campn, buffing concord, fixs to CTD exploits, they would have a little more on the table now, eh?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:00:00 -
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Barnett, i think you have a very valid point or many points, there is not enough for pirates to do, tryin to get a pirate agent is bloody god damm difficult, i have not heard of any events over the last month...this Amarr championship does not appeal to me at all!! And nobody can jump in and blast the contestants cause they have placed it in a closed off system.
What id like to see in the game is some pirate invasions into high security and concord incursions into low security. The game has become very static.....and i feel that some major events need to be placed continuosley like in real life!
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Kakalot
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:01:00 -
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 Well said Barnett. Pretty much that's what going on at least at this moment. I have a feeling that the dev team has too few members to accomplish the task of implementing new features into the game. Its obvious to see that, i think. Like Barnett has pointed out, when u look at the game as a whole, u would feel a bit disappointed, no? If not i guess its a matter of how u play the game. Some ppl are satisfied with the way the game is going on now, some others aren't. For instance, corp A has about 50+ members (there are some alts of course), most of them do nothing but mine , why is that? "Because if we keep mining like this the NEXT person would get in a battleship faster" . Oh well . . . u get the picture.. Obviously, they dont feel the events appealing .. at all. Some of them dont really know how to do PvP. Yes they are new players. So to them all that Barnett said is no big deal. But for us, those who have been playing for months, we need something more than that!! It seems that the trend now is PvP, which is what keeps experienced players from quitting.. But i fear if CCP doesn't take a serious approach to what we, players, ask then at one point the game is dead..
Just my 2isk 
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Kimpan
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:04:00 -
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yes more events sounds good
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 22/10/2003 18:44:24
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meeep meeep
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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:54:00 -
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It's nice to see the majority of people agreeing with me - I guess what the people who disagree with me fail to realise is that we have REACHED A LEVEL where we feel we can progress no more.
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Alkanine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:02:00 -
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The problem with eve is that the GMs have a sense of what to do for things happening. Still the most important thing for events is not one big one. But many many many small events that happen all over. So people can be involved in something and not even intend to be involved. Theres a few people that have dedicated them selves to making events so I tip my hat to them. Still thats what eve needs is multiple events.
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Dau Imperius
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:25:00 -
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Notice how only pirates responded to this? That tells you right there, that you indeed, 'reap what you sow'.
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djrouz
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:44:00 -
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i'm starting to feel the same as my corpm8 barnett - but i've started to do the things that i neglected in the begining - like agent missions and npc killing (not just npc pirates). barnett - i suggest you find something that you haven't seen before and try it out :)
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.10.22 21:09:00 -
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Large amounts of people don't bother filling out bug report forms because they know that little will be done to address the issues and there has been some suggestion (although not confirmed) that certain people at CCP have been deleting these in an attempt to create the impression that all is going well to their bosses.
if you dont send them in, they cant be deleted
and they cant be fixed either
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.22 22:55:00 -
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Great, bored pirates. I suggest you leave the game then. All of you;)
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.22 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Fausto on 22/10/2003 23:11:32
Burn baby burn:)
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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.22 23:22:00 -
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Notice how only pirates responded to this? That tells you right there, that you indeed, 'reap what you sow'.
Er I also posted the same thoughts in General discussion here and on Eve-I too!
I think you will find that most respondees (is that a word?) fully agree with me.
Believe it or not I was once part of a corp that did nothing but mine / produce / npc hunt / agent missions. I got bored very quickly and thats what prompted me to go P V P.
I don't understand how we have reaped what we sow? I also have an alt in a non pirate corp (could it even be Rona?) and life there is even more mundane.
All that is keeping this game alive for me is the players that I have met through it.
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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.22 23:27:00 -
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barnett - i suggest you find something that you haven't seen before and try it out :)
Er done agent missions...got bored after about 20. Done convoy raiding (in 0.0 too) and got fed up of rubbish loot. Done 50K NPC hunting and found it boring and repetative with little challenge. Done P V P which is one of the few things that I actually still enjoy. Done mining <shudder>. I have also traded and scammed at various points along the way.
In an act of complete boredom I tried using a BB with 2 MWD to get into 1.0 yesterday but failed dismally.
Er is there anything I have not done?
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Princess Podkill
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Posted - 2003.10.23 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Caldari Princess on 23/10/2003 03:20:10
Edited by: Caldari Princess on 23/10/2003 03:19:07
Yes Barnett jamming Concord and podding in 1.0 is still on the table. By god, when this divine feat has been accomplished, and I see 3,257 carebears dead in Yulai in the last 24 hours, I will retire from Eve because it will be the ultimate victory!
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.10.23 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Slinky Redfoot on 23/10/2003 04:21:06
Great post Barnett, couldn't have said it better myself.The main problem is still communication.
Speaking of communication. . .
Isn't it great how Fausto's posts are just being boycotted now? 
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2003.10.23 06:39:00 -
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if youve done NPC farming in a BS and its boring drop to a cruiser for a day, get them on a spawn and still try and clear the cans ahh no mwd of course that should liven it up. And extortion etc find a roid field deep in aliance territory and make them pay for it. theres endless things you can do.
death vendetta contracts? im sure theres many that carry vendettas and would like a merc to disrupt things for there enemy. you just have to broaden your horizons
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Mirvnillith
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Posted - 2003.10.23 06:56:00 -
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This is why I'm not rushing. I'm 2 months in at 1,3m SP and still in a frigate (although I have ISK for a cruiser, but no skills).
I've not trained any Missiles yet, though I should to use those two other high slots on my Merlin. I'm getting there, for sure, but I'm in no hurry. It's a bit hectic clearing those 8-10k NPC spawns with only two 150 rails, but it keeps me on my toes.
Easy does it and I like to keep my skills way ahead of my ships ...
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Maule
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Posted - 2003.10.23 07:06:00 -
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Yeah... sounds like your right.. 1 thing I havent seen yet is "assasins". Not just normal Bounty Hunters.. but a Bounty Hunter that gets a "mission" from a player to kill that person that dont show up as wanted in the mission window. Or agent missions where the NPC agent gives a mission where you have to kill a Player/player Pirates that have a negative standing to that corp. surely the reward have to be huge as you can spend hours/days looking for that person but I think that pirates could have some fun whit it. ofcourse it shall not be a "new player" that just got into the game 6 days ago and just killed his first convoy from that faction. or else make it alittle easyier to get a pirate agent that gives out missions to kill player Bounty Hunters or maybe a concord admiral or something.. and yes.. there is still alot of things that is missing from what CCP have promissed.. like kidnapping (things its spelled right) a caldari ambasedor (got it from the back side of the eve-online cd cover. and think I can remember something about astoroids crasing into planets. Make that an event.. I¦m sure alot of ppl¦s will show up and maybe alot of pirates will show up so we can have some good action.
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Alkanine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 09:38:00 -
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Well to tell the truth I think what this game needs alot of is Role Playing. Unfortunatly thats praticly imposible in games like these. Since a majority of the players can not Role Play.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 23/10/2003 11:24:05
Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 23/10/2003 11:23:52
Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 23/10/2003 11:21:09
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Well to tell the truth I think what this game needs alot of is Role Playing. Unfortunatly thats praticly imposible in games like these. Since a majority of the players can not Role Play.
I could not agree any more. With knowledge that my IRL friends playing EVE reads this i will tell you how this "arcade" gamers flames every aspect of roleplay on EVE. Each storry (good one in my opinion) they read is flamed. They cant even start to comprehend how any of you(us) can "beleve" that we actualy are this chars we are roleplaying. They mine, and nothing but mine. several BS and plenty og ISK. lvl 4 on each skill and .. and ..and ... still mining really is the main thing for them, Its sad, but hey each one have the right to play the way he/she likes. Only they dont think so, they hate pirates (if im not in a pirate corp soon ill quite EVE my self. I have 250K skill points and bored of mining all ready) they really think pirates should be banned, killed or worce.
yes my spelling sucks, and i wish every one good luck if you intend to point it out each time.
EDITH: wow my avatar is ready, one week to get it. Well done.
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Zacheria Malfor
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:24:00 -
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Some thing which was said earlier about only pirates replying to this topic, does it really matter if it is only pirates who respond? (even tho i am not).
I agree that there is simply not enough for the players whohave progressed to the later stages of the game, however, i am not speaking from experience meerly from what i've heard and read.
I think that it would be a good idea for some major events to occur often as it would provide something for players to do. I myself believe that there is simply a lack of events to keep players occupied.
I mainly mine at the moment as there is very little to do to gain money which is suitable for me to do at the moment.
Anyway those are my thoughts. Feel free to criticise.
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:54:00 -
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I like Eve, I really do. And I haven't been bored playing.
BUT there is a huge flaw in CCP's communications system. Last post in the Eve Information Central is from over one month old!
As a player I like to stay informed about what goes on with this game. A weekly update of what's been worked on, or what's coming would be greatly appreciated.
But I only appreciate it when I do not read "soon(tm)" as personally I get a bit sick of hearing it and not seeing anything appear.
To me it comes across like they are working on a lot of 'cool new things', but they never finish it before they start on a 'cool new thing'.
Promises, promises... and I don't believe any of them anymore.
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Karl Hollister
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Posted - 2003.10.23 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Karl Hollister on 23/10/2003 14:11:04
U talk about future for Eve ????
didn't u see there is no real futur in have this game only gt 5000 or maybe 6000 accounts 
i think this game will never grow more than it is today!
after 6 month i can see eve is going to fall just like ashroncall 2 did it . 
the sad story for the mmorpg's is that there is very few spots for this type of game and when u dont spend money in publicity you are dead 
cya eve , nice try , same player play again
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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.23 14:12:00 -
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I don't know about your figure of 5 - 6K accounts.
Someone once told me that an approx. formula for finding out the number of subscribers is to take the average amount of people online at peak (normally about 5 K) and times it by 4.
Having said that alot of people seem to have more than one account so personally I think there are probably between 15 - 20K individuals playing this game.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.10.23 14:53:00 -
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I believe there are more like 25 - 30k player accounts. It was on Eve-i last week in an article linking to an atricle.
To the original poster... Im sorry but you like sound to me like a few of my 3 - 4 mil skill pals. Total Lack of Role Playing. Furthermore, total lack of taking on current boring challenges in a lesser ship.
I only have 2.5mil skill points with this account and 1.5 on another one. In a few months I will be using my talents for even more roleplaying than I do now. If your content with your PvP atm then I suggest you get INTO the act of a Pirate or Contract Killer... they are far and few in between. Hey here is a thought... why don't you help all those socalled "Carebears" out and head to Sarum Prime and Pod those spawn in points. Or go to Hed-GP and blast CA or CFS folks for kicks and giggles. Or maybe grab a frigate and some torpedos and go hunt 50k rats.
I admit I want CCP to get things into place but If your willing to quit now while the treashold is being crossed... you need to go to a RL movie with your significant other or go on some dates. Come back in a week ... if still nothing take some more time off. If you find yourself missing your inGame M8s.... Then you might have discovered the true motif behind ANY mmorpg ( social simulation ) and that should Above all the neat little things... should keep you comming back for more..... Less you stray away to a new MMORPG and Find the SAME thing you found in eve. If you do... ASK YOUR SELF>>> Is it ME that is lacking content... or the game 
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2003.10.23 15:21:00 -
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Kaylon Syi: im not sure if you are replying to me, but the matter of roleplay have nothing to do with content in game. On a roleplay enviromen the players create the content them self. But to do this we need diferent angles and intrest expressed from our chars. If EVE is making this hard by restricting one side of the players the game fast loose a reason to interact with other players.
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Gween
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Posted - 2003.10.23 17:16:00 -
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EVE is getting boring. There is no kinda storyline to follow - its still just a get a bigger ship competition with best equipment...
5 minutes later...
loose ur ship because to one of the uncountalbe bugs in EVE.
Sure, EVE is a project like all of the MMPG's out there and the support is pretty good (compared to other games like 'Mankind' ;] ), but what can i do?
Wait for the next skill to complete? (this skill system is nice in one way, but only a thing thats keeps my account alive on the other hand)
I thought EVE would be my Elite-Online and its complex and u can do what u want - but where is the point in playing when u got everything u want?
...let there be some improvements within the next three month, please.
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Posted - 2003.10.23 17:31:00 -
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I have to agree to what has been said. Mining has become a big part of eve because it is easy, I mine a lot but I also explore and do a lot of other things, and god knows, I have lost my fair share of ship enough to by me a BS if I hadnÆt left safe systems 6 ThoraxÆs 1 Moa 1 Vexor a Hordor and many frigates and shuttleÆs, this hasnÆt stopped me from playing yet, (got A bit P***** and took a break for an hour, but back to the topic) it sounds like people are afraid to get out and look for thing and POLARIS need to make thing more clear and not give coded messages on things that are going on because not everyone gets them, and so everyone can do many other thing except fight, PvP, missionÆs, and mine. And you the players have to decide do u want to sit behind that rock and cry or go look for something to do. And yes you will be fired upon you will be attacked by pirates and I cant say I agree with Pirates camping jump-in points but hey they found something new to do what have u found new to do.
I have said my case,
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Zell
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Posted - 2003.10.23 19:41:00 -
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And yes you will be fired upon you will be attacked by pirates and I cant say I agree with Pirates camping jump-in points but hey they found something new to do what have u found new to do.
Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...
Zell
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toaster
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Posted - 2003.10.23 19:43:00 -
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Back to the original point of the post, I have to agree. I have been playing for what seems like 6 months but I'm not absolutely sure how longs it's been (have about 3M SP).
I came from playing mostly first person shooter games, so this is obviously a HUGE change. I like it and I like the idea of building ur character, but the ONLY future I see in this game is PvP. Without that its just like another job, and I already have one of those. The small amount of PvP I have had has been truly fun even when I lose.
My point of view is this, until some critical PvP bugs are fixed (most significant example... lagging a jump-in point or a jump gate with so many drones or whatever that ur dead before u have a chance to load the screen and lock ur target) there isn't much future for PvP in EVE. Some may not care, but to me that is the only reason to play.
I really hope CCP can fix some of these issues.
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Vitari
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Posted - 2003.10.23 20:19:00 -
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Play it less and it gets more enjoyable 
I just play maybe 10 hours a week and I am not bored at all. Been playing from day 1 of release.
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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.23 22:33:00 -
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Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...
Zell
I think that you will find that it is you who are totally wrong.
The tactics employed by jump in campers are the best in the game. They sit in one place where traffic is guaranteed and the risk to themselves is minimal. They then blow the person who jumps in to pieces before he can respond.
As for everyone rising to their level of incompetance....er this bit of your post makes no sense whatsoever so I can't really answer it.
You say that these people have found what they (can) do best however is that what life is not about?
Either that or there is quiet simply nothing of interest left for them to do!
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Zell
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Posted - 2003.10.23 23:16:00 -
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Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...
Zell
I think that you will find that it is you who are totally wrong.
The tactics employed by jump in campers are the best in the game. They sit in one place where traffic is guaranteed and the risk to themselves is minimal. They then blow the person who jumps in to pieces before he can respond.
As for everyone rising to their level of incompetance....er this bit of your post makes no sense whatsoever so I can't really answer it.
You say that these people have found what they (can) do best however is that what life is not about?
Either that or there is quiet simply nothing of interest left for them to do!
Casting some more pearls before swine, I guess but I couldn't dissagree more. Why? Because if this was the epitomie of "tactics", then every gate in the Eve universe would be camped. There would be no outland battles. Just mind numbing hand sitting while you wait for your ducks to appear. In forgone days, tactics implied you are arrayed for battle, having given consideration to terrain, strength of the enemies forces, and disposition, to name but a few.
Ive yet to see these "tactitions" stick around to face anything greater then a shuttle. Its a self fullfilling prophecy, they whine and moan and cry about not having anything to do, so they do nothing until someone finally gives them a challenge, and they run from it. Everyone has seen it happen, the boards are full of he said she said, until the horse is beaten to death. Then its back to the gate the next nite for the yawn fest, expending ordainace on a few hapless newbs while convincing themselves its superior tactics.
Which brings me to the incompendence part. They are so short-sighted as to belive they are creating the "content" they crave, When in fact they drive away any chance of exciting encounters. You can't tell me that watching a ship appear, unguided, defenseless, totally at there mercy, to be gleefully blasted and debries scooped up, is "content". If this is content to you, go back to duke nukeum, and play with the cheats enabled.
Maybe theres nothing left for them to do, because they lack the grey matter to figure out how to something.
Unwilling, Unable, its the same thing.
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Posted - 2003.10.24 03:51:00 -
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Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...
Zell
I think that you will find that it is you who are totally wrong.
The tactics employed by jump in campers are the best in the game. They sit in one place where traffic is guaranteed and the risk to themselves is minimal. They then blow the person who jumps in to pieces before he can respond.
As for everyone rising to their level of incompetance....er this bit of your post makes no sense whatsoever so I can't really answer it.
You say that these people have found what they (can) do best however is that what life is not about?
Either that or there is quiet simply nothing of interest left for them to do!
Casting some more pearls before swine, I guess but I couldn't dissagree more. Why? Because if this was the epitomie of "tactics", then every gate in the Eve universe would be camped. There would be no outland battles. Just mind numbing hand sitting while you wait for your ducks to appear. In forgone days, tactics implied you are arrayed for battle, having given consideration to terrain, strength of the enemies forces, and disposition, to name but a few.
Ive yet to see these "tactitions" stick around to face anything greater then a shuttle. Its a self fullfilling prophecy, they whine and moan and cry about not having anything to do, so they do nothing until someone finally gives them a challenge, and they run from it. Everyone has seen it happen, the boards are full of he said she said, until the horse is beaten to death. Then its back to the gate the next nite for the yawn fest, expending ordainace on a few hapless newbs while convincing themselves its superior tactics.
Which brings me to the incompendence part. They are so short-sighted as to belive they are creating the "content" they crave, When in fact they drive away any chance of exciting encounters. You can't tell me that watching a ship appear, unguided, defenseless, totally at there mercy, to be gleefully blasted and debries scooped up, is "content". If this is content to you, go back to duke nukeum, and play with the cheats enabled.
Maybe theres nothing left for them to do, because they lack the grey matter to figure out how to something.
Unwilling, Unable, its the same thing.
Zell, you obviously have never seen a jump-in camp before, because if you had, you'd know that your Apoc or whatever comes in would be as toast as a shuttle or any other ship for that matter. It is called "jamming".... hehe
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Posted - 2003.10.24 07:51:00 -
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Maybe IÆm easily entertained but I find this game to be an absolute blast. I think Zarquon was on to something about role-playing. For me this is the first real role-playing game that I have really gotten into. I mostly stick to first person shooters. Even though I am a ôtwitchö player, I have found a lot of content in this game. No I havenÆt done everything. I only did about 5 agent missions total, have not used a miner gun in over 2 months, and I am having a lot of fun starting wars with large corporations. Content is what you make of it. If you are bored then join a corp that needs pilots for their ôwarö and have fun. Use your Imagination.
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2003.10.24 08:15:00 -
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One saying comes to mind here: "If you're bored then you're boring."
If Eve has gotten boring for you, then go find something else to play.
For me, I see lots and lots of opportunity in this game without resorting to ***** tactics (jump in point camping et al.)
One example that I'm seriously considering at some point in time: anti-slaver. I'm Minmatar - my blood is a slave's blood and I shall do everything in my power to avenge said blood while attempting to free slaves from their captors. Cargo scanner with a passive targetter, anyone? Yeah, it has it's risks but that's part of the fun.
In short - this game is what you make of it, just like most others. Just because someone doesn't hand you a cookie doesn't mean you can't make a batch, if you have the tools.
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Posted - 2003.10.24 10:32:00 -
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One saying comes to mind here: "If you're bored then you're boring."
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In short - this game is what you make of it, just like most others. Just because someone doesn't hand you a cookie doesn't mean you can't make a batch, if you have the tools.
I tend to agree.
Although I am not a pirate & havent been playing for that long, there is still so much to do for the more experienced.
You need to set yourelf a goal.
How many have reached the No1 spot in the most wanted list? I know a pirate that is striving for this atm.
I have also heard of a system near 9-8GBA that is a total no go area. Now is'nt that a challenge to a pirate with a BS 
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2003.10.24 12:06:00 -
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The one that started this thread is 100% accurate on all points. I'm semi-bored when it comes to chaining npc's... but i'm thinking of switching to pvp real soon anyways. If that will get bored aswell, then i dont know what to do anymore :)
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Pete Starblade
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Posted - 2003.10.24 12:20:00 -
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 after reading all your post's i sat back and thought for a while
as for the game being static at the moment i totally agree more events/new ideas need implementing
camping warp in points is basicly mining for pirates so dont call miners for sitting by a roid
if you have nothing to do organise something
get a few pirate corps together and invade empire space. take over a system and pod everything
that's the joy of this game you can do whatever you want
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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.24 12:49:00 -
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Casting some more pearls before swine, I guess but I couldn't dissagree more. Why? Because if this was the epitomie of "tactics", then every gate in the Eve universe would be camped. There would be no outland battles. Just mind numbing hand sitting while you wait for your ducks to appear. In forgone days, tactics implied you are arrayed for battle, having given consideration to terrain, strength of the enemies forces, and disposition, to name but a few.
Ive yet to see these "tactitions" stick around to face anything greater then a shuttle. Its a self fullfilling prophecy, they whine and moan and cry about not having anything to do, so they do nothing until someone finally gives them a challenge, and they run from it. Everyone has seen it happen, the boards are full of he said she said, until the horse is beaten to death. Then its back to the gate the next nite for the yawn fest, expending ordainace on a few hapless newbs while convincing themselves its superior tactics.
Which brings me to the incompendence part. They are so short-sighted as to belive they are creating the "content" they crave, When in fact they drive away any chance of exciting encounters. You can't tell me that watching a ship appear, unguided, defenseless, totally at there mercy, to be gleefully blasted and debries scooped up, is "content". If this is content to you, go back to duke nukeum, and play with the cheats enabled.
Maybe theres nothing left for them to do, because they lack the grey matter to figure out how to something.
Unwilling, Unable, its the same thing.
Ok, it seems pretty obvious that you are someone who has no or little experience in P V P combat.
Let me tell you one thing - it is VERY difficult to engage in worthwhile, balanced combat in this game.
This is because worthwhile combat requires 2 CONSENTING sides. As one side is often far superiour to the other this leads to the less powerful side retreating and combat will not take place. You can have warp jammers / webbers all you want but alot of people will just run as soon as they see a sizeable fleet warp in.
It is very difficult (but not impossible) to engage anyone at a station or stargate unless you are at war with them. This is because the carebears whined and as a result sentry guns got beefed up.
Sentry guns operate regardless of what security status of empire space you are in however should anyone be foolish enough to try and initiate combat in 0.5 or above 6 Concord ships will spawn in about 3 seconds and they will be in their pod shortly after this (believe me, i've tried).
So...basically as a result of all the above pirates have started camping jump ins as it is a guaranteed way to meet people regardless of if a player wishes to participate in P V P or not.
This is not due to lack of any imagination or grey matter. This is due to the mechanics of the game. There would not be much sense in camping a planet or moon now would there?(unless it was a jump in point)
Your paragrpah about jump in campers running the second anything bigger than a shuttle warps in clearly demonstrates your lack of any real subject knowledge. Should you wish to test your theory please bring your <insert Battleship name here> loaded with all your uber fittings / mods to Obe, Jan or any other system that is regularly camped. Make sure that your clone covers all your skill points too!
Your last sentence clearly sums up the lack of any real sense in your posts as unwilling and unable ARE NOT the same thing.
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Posted - 2003.10.24 12:52:00 -
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if you have nothing to do organise something
get a few pirate corps together and invade empire space. take over a system and pod everything
that's the joy of this game you can do whatever you want
I would love to but since they beefed up Concord trying to attack people in Empire space basically amounts to suicide on the part of the attacker.
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