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Peronec
Black Core Federation
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.13 22:35:37 -
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So, we were looking at story line items and what would be needed to farm them. all we would need to do it keep remaking the character once it was done. Then some one in our discussion had said that he had read a forum post awhile back on CCP contacting him to stop remaking the character...
So my question is, is it allowed or not allowed to remake a character over and over again to farm story line items? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7880
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Posted - 2015.01.13 22:37:13 -
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This should be interesting.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Serene Repose
2071
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Posted - 2015.01.13 22:39:47 -
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"Harvey, the Blue Nuclear Claymore spawns from the level 35 world boss! All you have to do is take a month-and-a-half to level a toon to 35, do the world boss, and presto! You're farming the Blue Nuclear Claymore!"
You mean like that?
I don't think CCP has ever tried to stop anyone from being stupid.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
900
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Posted - 2015.01.13 22:47:09 -
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you will have to make a petition to find a real answer to that. maybe someone from CCP will say something here, but i mostly doubt that.
there is a line somewhere about recycling alts, although that usually has to do with getting around sec status issues. although they might apply that to other things.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19289
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Posted - 2015.01.13 22:52:31 -
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Peronec wrote:So, we were looking at story line items and what would be needed to farm them. all we would need to do it keep remaking the character once it was done. Then some one in our discussion had said that he had read a forum post awhile back on CCP contacting him to stop remaking the character...
So my question is, is it allowed or not allowed to remake a character over and over again to farm story line items?
Underlined the helpful part.
Go make a support ticket, and get your answer.
GD is for the strong willed and steadfast of heart, not the 'I just came from Diablo and want to do the Eve equivalent of Baal runs' kiddies who aren't going to like what the GD militia has to say.
Diablo has Baal right? Im sure people farm that guy with their teleport cloak and level 98 Fire spec paladin.
Wait.. is it Diablo that has the fire paladins.. or is that... (mumbles to self, sound of papers flipping).. yeah.. ill just go with it.
Yeah.. im sure that's at least marginally accurate.
Im sure that what you want to do is akin to constantly recycling low security status characters, and CCP says that is a bad thing.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
900
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:02:00 -
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as COSMOS missions may only be run once per character, and some have incredibly good rewards, but most have complete junk. I half want to call it exploity, half bad game design. pretty sure someone at CCP said it was a less than ideal situation back when they were talking about the epic arcs.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Peronec
Black Core Federation
Black Core Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:03:44 -
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filled out a support ticket, al reply with what the CCP guy says :)
Love the RPG trolls lmao |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards
The Bastards.
462
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:07:19 -
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would this not come under the same point as reuseing chars for ganking.
CCP did say that if you keep deleteing a char to gank with IE make char get to thrasher/cata with it a few days.. kill till its sec status is to low to work in HS delete and remake. If you do this over and over again its a bannable offence.
I would guess remakeing a toon over and over to redo the mission to get nice rewards to sell on market will be the exact same
The Bastards
Diplomatic Director
http://www.the-bastards.net/
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
900
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Posted - 2015.01.14 00:03:53 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:would this not come under the same point as reuseing chars for ganking.
CCP did say that if you keep deleteing a char to gank with IE make char get to thrasher/cata with it a few days.. kill till its sec status is to low to work in HS delete and remake. If you do this over and over again its a bannable offence.
I would guess remakeing a toon over and over to redo the mission to get nice rewards to sell on market will be the exact same
its similar but not the same. last I remember hearing was CCP took some issue to people doing this kind of thing with at least one of the missions, so they changed it so instead of requiring amarr navy standings to 5, it required amarr empire standings to 5.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
456
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Posted - 2015.01.14 06:10:11 -
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Peronec wrote:filled out a support ticket, al reply with what the CCP guy says :) NOT a good idea.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Peronec
Black Core Federation
Black Core Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.01.14 17:50:28 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Peronec wrote:filled out a support ticket, al reply with what the CCP guy says :) NOT a good idea.
enlighten me... |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
757
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Posted - 2015.01.14 17:57:20 -
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Peronec wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Peronec wrote:filled out a support ticket, al reply with what the CCP guy says :) NOT a good idea. enlighten me...
CCP, and most game companies, do not like you quoting GMs or Devs. You could potentially misquote or misrepresent what they said and cause problems. Therefore you could paraphrase I think. But make it clear you are not quoting them. If they want to say something official, they will do so themselves. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3594
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Posted - 2015.01.14 18:12:34 -
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Peronec wrote:So my question is, is it allowed or not allowed to remake a character over and over again to farm story line items? No, it is not. It might even have consequences, up to and possibly including a ban across your accounts (depending on the severity and at CCP's discretion).
So I strongly advice against it.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
757
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Posted - 2015.01.14 18:22:40 -
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Love you, Ezwal. |
Peronec
Black Core Federation
Black Core Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.01.14 19:56:26 -
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Thanks for the reply's guys :) think everything is settled now on questions :) |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
32068
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:32:13 -
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what's the point with storyline items ?
most of them are just way overpriced to build (up to 200mil) and can hardly compete with a meta 4 variant |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:03:56 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:you will have to make a petition to find a real answer to that. maybe someone from CCP will say something here, but i mostly doubt that.
there is a line somewhere about recycling alts, although that usually has to do with getting around sec status issues. although they might apply that to other things.
Ok i am confused about this one.
I know its CCP's game but how do they justify this one?
I also do not see how the original question would be viewed as illegal either.
If you chose to delete your character over and over, how can you get mad about that?
You are seriously going to ban someone for over deleting? Thats amusing. |
Badel Jramodarr
3958
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:11:34 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:you will have to make a petition to find a real answer to that. maybe someone from CCP will say something here, but i mostly doubt that.
there is a line somewhere about recycling alts, although that usually has to do with getting around sec status issues. although they might apply that to other things. Ok i am confused about this one. I know its CCP's game but how do they justify this one? I also do not see how the original question would be viewed as illegal either. If you chose to delete your character over and over, how can you get mad about that? You are seriously going to ban someone for over deleting? Thats amusing.
It's the fact people use recycling chars to get around a penalty mechanic.
Allow yourself to think outside the box you live in.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:16:48 -
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Badel Jramodarr wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:you will have to make a petition to find a real answer to that. maybe someone from CCP will say something here, but i mostly doubt that.
there is a line somewhere about recycling alts, although that usually has to do with getting around sec status issues. although they might apply that to other things. Ok i am confused about this one. I know its CCP's game but how do they justify this one? I also do not see how the original question would be viewed as illegal either. If you chose to delete your character over and over, how can you get mad about that? You are seriously going to ban someone for over deleting? Thats amusing. It's the fact people use recycling chars to get around a penalty mechanic. Allow yourself to think outside the box you live in.
Remaking the character isn't a big enough penalty?
Sounds like a bad system covered by a worse rule. |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
32084
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:21:11 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Badel Jramodarr wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:you will have to make a petition to find a real answer to that. maybe someone from CCP will say something here, but i mostly doubt that.
there is a line somewhere about recycling alts, although that usually has to do with getting around sec status issues. although they might apply that to other things. Ok i am confused about this one. I know its CCP's game but how do they justify this one? I also do not see how the original question would be viewed as illegal either. If you chose to delete your character over and over, how can you get mad about that? You are seriously going to ban someone for over deleting? Thats amusing. It's the fact people use recycling chars to get around a penalty mechanic. Allow yourself to think outside the box you live in. Remaking the character isn't a big enough penalty? Sounds like a bad system covered by a worse rule.
not if it takes a day or 2 of training to be functional |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:24:30 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Badel Jramodarr wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:you will have to make a petition to find a real answer to that. maybe someone from CCP will say something here, but i mostly doubt that.
there is a line somewhere about recycling alts, although that usually has to do with getting around sec status issues. although they might apply that to other things. Ok i am confused about this one. I know its CCP's game but how do they justify this one? I also do not see how the original question would be viewed as illegal either. If you chose to delete your character over and over, how can you get mad about that? You are seriously going to ban someone for over deleting? Thats amusing. It's the fact people use recycling chars to get around a penalty mechanic. Allow yourself to think outside the box you live in. Remaking the character isn't a big enough penalty? Sounds like a bad system covered by a worse rule. not if it takes a day or 2 of training to be functional
Maybe that is the problem?
I find it odd the community is fine with their solution though.
Played alot of mmo's but never got worried about getting banned for remaking a character. Even saying it sounds dumb. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
309
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Posted - 2015.01.15 01:04:16 -
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^^ The issue isn't remaking a character. You can do that to your heart's content. The issue is remaking a character to evade the consequences of driving that character to -10.0 within the space of a week. |
Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
17452
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Posted - 2015.01.15 01:10:09 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:^^ The issue isn't remaking a character. You can do that to your heart's content. The issue is remaking a character to evade the consequences of driving that character to -10.0 within the space of a week.
In this case it's about remaking a character over and over again
for farming stuff that's meant to be farmed only once per character.
You missed context I think. ISD Ezwal already said it's a no go.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
310
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Posted - 2015.01.15 01:41:48 -
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No, I was replying to Sugar. She seems to think that remaking characters in general is a no-go. At least, that's how I read it. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
4397
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:01:39 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:^^ The issue isn't remaking a character. You can do that to your heart's content. The issue is remaking a character to evade the consequences of driving that character to -10.0 within the space of a week.
This is the only public ruling I am aware of on this issue.
It is an exploit to 'recycle' characters to avoid the consequences of a negative security status. That's a public ruling.
Biomassing and remaking characters is, in general, acceptable unless CCP have a ruling otherwise.
However, don't do it. Ask a GM to be sure, and once you get a ruling, follow it, and ask the GM to post it publicly (as stated you are not ever allowed to copy/paste GM correspondence yourself and are restricted from even publicly posting the gist of the ruling). ISD members are not GMs although they tend to know the rules fairly well.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:09:59 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:No, I was replying to Sugar. She seems to think that remaking characters in general is a no-go. At least, that's how I read it.
No i understood the context this was put in to.
I still believe its shameful to have to tell a paying customer when they can delete their character.
I dont really care about the circumstances, thats for trial accounts. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
310
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Posted - 2015.01.15 09:31:34 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:No, I was replying to Sugar. She seems to think that remaking characters in general is a no-go. At least, that's how I read it. No i understood the context this was put in to. I still believe its shameful to have to tell a paying customer when they can delete their character. I dont really care about the circumstances, thats for trial accounts.
Ah ok, I misunderstood you then.
I get your basic premise. Thing is, if unconditional re-rolling were allowed, EVE being what it is it would be, and indeed was in the past, exploited to e.g. farm COSMOS mission items as per OP, or avoid the consequences of going neg sec. Are you cool with that? |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3609
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Posted - 2015.01.15 09:38:50 -
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I have given my answer based on experience with previous rulings. Rulings that are not up for debate on this forum.
If and when you want a definitive answer on a specific case, please feel free to file a Support Ticket.
Thread locked.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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