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![FoxFire Ayderan FoxFire Ayderan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91842063/portrait?size=64)
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:28:41 -
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Or at least hire a normal person who understands (and perhaps has read the science) that human beings find symmetry attractive.
The old design looked positively stupid or Quasimodo'ish.
Let's face it, nobody wants to **** that.
The new design is eminently more ****able.
![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png)
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![Flavan Flavan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1349892705/portrait?size=64)
Flavan
Not The Droids You're Looking For
5
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:35:06 -
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If you want to do asterisks with your ship, the Exqueror was never your ideal anyway. Thorax ftw! :)
- Flavan of Ardene
Director
Not The Droids You're Looking For
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![Candi LeMew Candi LeMew](https://images.evetech.net/characters/942849185/portrait?size=64)
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
14521
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:38:28 -
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The Banana approves of your choice in sexual analogies.
=ƒÉÆ I am a banana.
Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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![Abyss Azizora Abyss Azizora](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91574123/portrait?size=64)
Abyss Azizora
Temporary Corp 12
157
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:49:47 -
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Let the man have a go at the omen next, so he can DE-toumor it. |
![Ranger 1 Ranger 1](https://images.evetech.net/characters/145328353/portrait?size=64)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6140
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Posted - 2015.01.14 00:32:03 -
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Just as a note of clarification, the Exequror is still asymmetrical... it's just more subtle about it. ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png)
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![Chainsaw Plankton Chainsaw Plankton](https://images.evetech.net/characters/733671405/portrait?size=64)
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
900
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Posted - 2015.01.14 01:13:16 -
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I think you just like it because it is way more phallic.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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![Hal Morsh Hal Morsh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93430913/portrait?size=64)
Hal Morsh
Icendus Corux Warp to Cyno.
243
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Posted - 2015.01.14 01:55:01 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Just as a note of clarification, the Exequror is still asymmetrical... it's just more subtle about it. ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png)
So I wasn't the only one looking for asymmetry. A lot of companies only paint one side of things and just copy it, I for one like that CCP doesn't. Sometimes things don't line up when you do.
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
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![Paranoid Loyd Paranoid Loyd](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93789628/portrait?size=64)
Paranoid Loyd
3501
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Posted - 2015.01.14 01:57:34 -
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Abyss Azizora wrote:Let the man have a go at the omen next, so he can DE-toumor it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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![Steppa Musana Steppa Musana](https://images.evetech.net/characters/95235156/portrait?size=64)
Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2015.01.14 02:01:35 -
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Dat texture quality though... ew. |
![Gregor Parud Gregor Parud](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93923526/portrait?size=64)
Gregor Parud
902
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Posted - 2015.01.14 02:17:44 -
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I dunno, it doesn't look very Gallent...ish to me. It's as if it was rushed. |
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![Serene Repose Serene Repose](https://images.evetech.net/characters/964766469/portrait?size=64)
Serene Repose
2072
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Posted - 2015.01.14 03:21:57 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:The Banana approves of your choice in sexual analogies.
so says the guy with large mammaries.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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![CCP BunnyVirus CCP BunnyVirus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92461064/portrait?size=64)
CCP BunnyVirus
C C P C C P Alliance
1365
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Posted - 2015.01.14 08:28:26 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Just as a note of clarification, the Exequror is still asymmetrical... it's just more subtle about it. ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) So I wasn't the only one looking for asymmetry. A lot of companies only paint one side of things and just copy it, I for one like that CCP doesn't. Sometimes things don't line up when you do.
We still do that
3D Artist
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![Saturday Beerun Saturday Beerun](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92276323/portrait?size=64)
Saturday Beerun
Lost Ark Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2015.01.14 09:36:29 -
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It is still an ugly Gallente ship.Would be nice to find a real improvement to their ships.
I Want The Black Vindicator Back
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![Arline Kley Arline Kley](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1761669537/portrait?size=64)
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
479
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Posted - 2015.01.14 09:41:24 -
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Saturday Beerun wrote:It is still an ugly Gallente ship.Would be nice to find a real improvement to their ships.
You have the Celestis to keep you going.
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows
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![Dave Viker Dave Viker](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91422247/portrait?size=64)
Dave Viker
Do you even Exist.
58
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Posted - 2015.01.14 09:54:11 -
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I personally like asymetrical ships.
Tbh, when I started playing EVE, I could not look at any Ships except for the Amarrian ones, but I now learned to love them all. I literally like the look of every single ship now.
Everything has beauty in it, somewhere. The old Blackbird, for example, had its beauty somewhere deep inside, not visible to our eyes.
Indie GameDev & Audiophile
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Hitech Trance, Chillout, Acoustic Stuff.
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![J'Poll J'Poll](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102825826/portrait?size=64)
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5426
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Posted - 2015.01.14 10:03:55 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Just as a note of clarification, the Exequror is still asymmetrical... it's just more subtle about it. ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) So I wasn't the only one looking for asymmetry. A lot of companies only paint one side of things and just copy it, I for one like that CCP doesn't. Sometimes things don't line up when you do. We still do that
Proof: Aeon
They just forgot to paste it on the other side.
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![Altrue Altrue](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1811929723/portrait?size=64)
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1566
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Posted - 2015.01.14 10:23:29 -
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I'm not a fan of the front of the Exequror. Its texture is full of details but the 3D model is just flat. Its a bit underwhelming.
Sadly that's a trend with new models : Blackbird, Exequror, Mordus, they all have little white dots, little things on their hull.. But it looks like a sticker on a plastic surface (like a toy) rather than an actual ship.
Im my opinion, you'd be better off with less details in the texture (because at current max resolution they get pixelized very fast), and more details in the 3D model.
Also, the chrome on the exequror isn't really pretty in my opinion. The navy exeq is where the model shines the most :)
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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![Ruskarn Andedare Ruskarn Andedare](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91276858/portrait?size=64)
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
678
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Posted - 2015.01.14 10:33:44 -
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I tried to like the new Exequeror as it's a ship type I fly a fair bit but I can't seem to. It's overly symmetrical for me and just looks wrong from some angles, especially from the back, and there's something about the engines that isn't right now.
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![KusK62 KusK62](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1505129022/portrait?size=64)
KusK62
Templar Di Mechanicus
0
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Posted - 2015.01.14 11:09:53 -
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To me it is the redesign of the engine department that makes me like the new Exequror more than the old one, the old one looked to tail heavy to me, whereas the new design is much more pleasing.
Now i only wish for a reskin opportunity for the navy exequror, like maby a serpentis version, because space camo is not really me ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) |
![Ranger 1 Ranger 1](https://images.evetech.net/characters/145328353/portrait?size=64)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6142
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:54:18 -
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KusK62 wrote:To me it is the redesign of the engine department that makes me like the new Exequror more than the old one, the old one looked to tail heavy to me, whereas the new design is much more pleasing. Now i only wish for a reskin opportunity for the navy exequror, like maby a serpentis version, because space camo is not really me ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) Yeah, but of the ships with that camo pattern, the navy exequror is the one that actually makes it look tough.
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![Caviar Liberta Caviar Liberta](https://images.evetech.net/characters/608550982/portrait?size=64)
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
846
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:56:56 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Just as a note of clarification, the Exequror is still asymmetrical... it's just more subtle about it. ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) So I wasn't the only one looking for asymmetry. A lot of companies only paint one side of things and just copy it, I for one like that CCP doesn't. Sometimes things don't line up when you do. We still do that
Even if you do just make one half and mirror it, that just makes it easier to build a base model. Once that is done you just go back and start adding smaller additional pieces to the base you designed. You can do asymmetrical design with a symmetrical piece as your base. |
![Jenn aSide Jenn aSide](https://images.evetech.net/characters/241523665/portrait?size=64)
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9328
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Posted - 2015.01.14 16:08:45 -
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Dave Viker wrote:
Everything has beauty in it, somewhere. The old Blackbird, for example, had its beauty somewhere deep inside, not visible to our eyes.
This is what parents tell ugly children btw ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) |
![Caviar Liberta Caviar Liberta](https://images.evetech.net/characters/608550982/portrait?size=64)
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
846
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Posted - 2015.01.14 19:02:15 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dave Viker wrote:
Everything has beauty in it, somewhere. The old Blackbird, for example, had its beauty somewhere deep inside, not visible to our eyes.
This is what parents tell ugly children btw ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
The "beauty" of the old Blackbird was at the point of its explosion. Enough said. |
![Unsuccessful At Everything Unsuccessful At Everything](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91116560/portrait?size=64)
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19311
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Posted - 2015.01.14 20:01:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dave Viker wrote:
Everything has beauty in it, somewhere. The old Blackbird, for example, had its beauty somewhere deep inside, not visible to our eyes.
This is what parents tell ugly children btw ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
Relevant.
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![Provence Tristram Provence Tristram](https://images.evetech.net/characters/95266507/portrait?size=64)
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:19:03 -
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I liked it at first glance, but have gradually soured on the new design. I'm starting to fear these recustomizations. |
![Sirinda Sirinda](https://images.evetech.net/characters/153475971/portrait?size=64)
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
397
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Posted - 2015.01.15 06:09:08 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Just as a note of clarification, the Exequror is still asymmetrical... it's just more subtle about it. ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) So I wasn't the only one looking for asymmetry. A lot of companies only paint one side of things and just copy it, I for one like that CCP doesn't. Sometimes things don't line up when you do. We still do that
FaithInCCP == FaithInCCP--
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![Vaerah Vahrokha Vaerah Vahrokha](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1439129814/portrait?size=64)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5634
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Posted - 2015.01.15 06:27:01 -
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Sirinda wrote:
FaithInCCP == FaithInCCP--
FaithInCCP--;
that's enough,
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![FoxFire Ayderan FoxFire Ayderan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91842063/portrait?size=64)
FoxFire Ayderan
165
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Posted - 2015.01.15 07:06:07 -
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To be fair not all asymmetry in the ships is bad. The Catalyst comes to mind, which is a good looking ship despite being asymmetrical. As is the Myrmidon (which I guess still does have bi-lateral symmetry).
It does come down to how it is done. Big bulgy things hanging off or growing out (like the Torax) or "missing limbs" (like the old Exequror) or broken limbs (like the Atron) or bent and crooked (like the Imicus) are NOT the right way to do asymmetry. In general people are going to be turned off from that. And as much as I otherwise like the look of Gallente ships, these bizarre design choices ruin them.
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![Provence Tristram Provence Tristram](https://images.evetech.net/characters/95266507/portrait?size=64)
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.01.15 07:33:34 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:To be fair not all asymmetry in the ships is bad. The Catalyst comes to mind, which is a good looking ship despite being asymmetrical. As is the Myrmidon (which I guess still does have bi-lateral symmetry).
It does come down to how it is done. Big bulgy things hanging off or growing out (like the Torax) or "missing limbs" (like the old Exequror) or broken limbs (like the Atron) or bent and crooked (like the Imicus) are NOT the right way to do asymmetry. In general people are going to be turned off from that. And as much as I otherwise like the look of Gallente ships, these bizarre design choices ruin them.
Unlike human faces, where we all -- arguably -- have some kind of baseline preference for certain appearance traits (symmetry being one of them; there have been a number of studies done that help explain why beauty is beauty), a predilection towards a certain style of car, or boat, or house, or... yes... spaceship is likely affected by any number of non-preprogramed life experiences, sensations, and simple, inexplicable want (the very intangible stuff that makes us human).
The long and short of it is that this is outer space, and you could build a ship that looked like anything, ranging from this, to this, to this... to even something like this. And while some (or even all) of those designs might not be any particular person's cup of tea, physics being what they are, they could probably all be thrust through the void.
What you see as 'bizarre design choices' are, for many of us, what gives the Gallente ships their character. The Gallente are arguably, far and away, the most artistic race in EVE. They almost hedonists when it comes to an over-the-top flair for the dramatic, the avant-garde, and, yes, the needless. There is expression even in the superfluous, and while I am sure that every little dangly bit and protruding nacelle probably serves some kind of purpose, the Gallente have chosen to put things where they are just because of function, but because, to them, form matters. (It matters to the Amarr, too, clearly... though they also follow a far more traditional design approach that involves more basal attempts to overawe and intimidate). If function ruled over all form, then every ship in eve would like either those of the Caldari or the Minmatar (and thank goodness they don't).
Yes, I see a sleeker, more rugged, and arguably more battle-ready boat in the new Exequror. But I also see a ship that lost a lot of what made it a very cool and exceedingly unique part of this little universe. The new Exequror is something more than what it once was, but also something less... and that's not a happy thing. It really makes me worry about changes to other 'scorned-but-beloved' Gallente ships like the Imicus, the Thorax, and the ever-present Dominix. I welcome very much improvements to the models. I view with increasing fret changes so dramatic that they destroy the identity of the very thing they are trying to upgrade. |
![LeFitz Chevalerie LeFitz Chevalerie](https://images.evetech.net/characters/95202128/portrait?size=64)
LeFitz Chevalerie
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.15 13:26:30 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:To be fair not all asymmetry in the ships is bad. The Catalyst comes to mind, which is a good looking ship despite being asymmetrical. As is the Myrmidon (which I guess still does have bi-lateral symmetry).
I also prefer asymmetric design. To everyone its own. ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) |
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![Sirinda Sirinda](https://images.evetech.net/characters/153475971/portrait?size=64)
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
399
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:23:24 -
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There are so many reasons why any (RL) spacecraft will be as symmetrical as possible it ain't even funny.
Center of thrust, weight due to reinforced structures, ease of manufacture, to name just a few. |
![Saturday Beerun Saturday Beerun](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92276323/portrait?size=64)
Saturday Beerun
Lost Ark Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:31:47 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Saturday Beerun wrote:It is still an ugly Gallente ship.Would be nice to find a real improvement to their ships. You have the Celestis to keep you going.
I like the megas,catalyst too.Mostly they're too bad to be seen out in unless its dark.Wait a sec.Its space!!
I Want The Black Vindicator Back
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![Dersen Lowery Dersen Lowery](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91390363/portrait?size=64)
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1426
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:35:25 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote: there's something about the engines that isn't right now.
Now?
At least now the ship looks like it's capable of flying in a straight line.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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![FoxFire Ayderan FoxFire Ayderan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91842063/portrait?size=64)
FoxFire Ayderan
165
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:04:31 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:The long and short of it is that this is outer space, and you could build a ship that looked like anything, ranging from this, to this, to this... to even something like this. And while some (or even all) of those designs might not be any particular person's cup of tea, physics being what they are, they could probably all be thrust through the void.
Putting aside the comical ones (like Spaceballs), the Star Wars medical frigate is obviously not designed for beauty, but function (presumably), and yet it's still not deformed looking and has at least one axis of symmetry (and nothing malformed growing off of it at a weird angle). One does not get the same sense of 'something is not right or sickly with this ship' as some of the Gallente (or other non symmetrical) ships engender.
Look at the Throax. The asymmetry on the top is not so terrible as is that giant offset 'thing' hanging from the bottom. If it was repeated on the other side, or if the single one was centered, it would look considerably better (though certainly more *ahem* - which EVE designers might want to avoid, but the Gallente certainly wouldn't ).
Can you imagine the Enterprise with one of its nacelles missing (with the single one in the same position), or the saucer section tilted sideways at an angle? People would think there is something wrong with the ship, and it would not be considered particularly attractive or a good 'artistic' design choice by the vast majority of people.
I think perhaps the idea is to have at least one axis of symmetry before things really start to look 'off'. |
![Yahrr Yahrr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/832917481/portrait?size=64)
Yahrr
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
25
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:01:07 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:[quote=Ranger 1]A lot of companies only paint one side of things and just copy it, I for one like that CCP doesn't. We still do that It would be stupid not to do it. It saves half the work, half the time and half the money. But in certain applications it's not the best thing to do, for example with patterned textures like the Gallente Navy camo. On most ships the mirror line is hidden or disturbed by parts with another texture, by geometric details, or just happens to make a good looking mirror line. There are even a few ships that have asymmetric camo on a symmetric hull. On the Exequror the mirror line is visible over the complete length of the hull, with the exception for the little part on top between the engines. The camo pattern of the Navy Exequror enhances the mirror line so much that it hijacks your focus when looking at the ship.
There are a few more problems with he new model IMO. They're all details, but it's the details that make or break the immersion in the game. The ship has seven engines, but only three trails. I can imagine seven trails might be a bit much and look overdone, but having trails on the smaller engines, but not on the big main engines looks strange. The warp engines light up when moving sub-warp as well, but in the out-of-warp rotation. I'd say if they're warp engines, they should only light up together with the warp animation. This also saves two trails, making it a total of five for sub-warp movement, which would look correct without looking overdone. The bumpmap on the main body of the ship is very light, almost to the point where you need Photoshop to make them visible. It removes a lot of detail from the ship, making it look like the same or even lower definition than the old model. The engines on the sides of the model are eight-sided cylinders. Every polygon saved is another one and for a game that's extremely important, but saving them on clearly visible supposed-to-be-round edges which even contrast to the background in almost every angle isn't the best way to go. The satellite dishes to the sides of the ship... They look important, they look like delicate equipment, yet they are completely unprotected on a ship that is likely to see clouds of shrapnel. The T2 model additions are missing for the Oneiros. They are even highlighted on the presentation sketch, so why are they missing?
Stuff like redoing POS, giving low sec piracy and carebear activities some love and fixing crappy market mechanics like the 0.01 isk fest is much more important, but if you're working at improving the immersion in the game you shouldn't ignore the details. The same goes for that we now have really beautiful asteroid belts, but the ships still go for a complete and abrupt stop the moment before they enter warp. |
![Ro Fenrios Ro Fenrios](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93998571/portrait?size=64)
Ro Fenrios
Armilies corporation Skeleton Crew.
41
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:10:03 -
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The old exe looked just fine. I do like the new one as well. Now lets talk about scythe.... |
![Herzog Wolfhammer Herzog Wolfhammer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/805810401/portrait?size=64)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6084
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:46:13 -
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The Hyperion is symmetrical.
And neglected. Major drone boat, no drone bay.
And the Imicus still sucks. Imicus Imicus Imicus Imicus Imicus Imicus Imicus Imicus Imicus
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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![Hal Morsh Hal Morsh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93430913/portrait?size=64)
Hal Morsh
Icendus Corux Warp to Cyno.
246
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:52:47 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:To be fair not all asymmetry in the ships is bad. The Catalyst comes to mind, which is a good looking ship despite being asymmetrical. As is the Myrmidon (which I guess still does have bi-lateral symmetry).
It does come down to how it is done. Big bulgy things hanging off or growing out (like the Torax) or "missing limbs" (like the old Exequror) or broken limbs (like the Atron) or bent and crooked (like the Imicus) are NOT the right way to do asymmetry. In general people are going to be turned off from that. And as much as I otherwise like the look of Gallente ships, these bizarre design choices ruin them.
Unlike human faces, where we all -- arguably -- have some kind of baseline preference for certain appearance traits (symmetry being one of them; there have been a number of studies done that help explain why beauty is beauty), a predilection towards a certain style of car, or boat, or house, or... yes... spaceship is likely affected by any number of non-preprogramed life experiences, sensations, and simple, inexplicable want (the very intangible stuff that makes us human). The long and short of it is that this is outer space, and you could build a ship that looked like anything, ranging from this, to this, to this... to even something like this. And while some (or even all) of those designs might not be any particular person's cup of tea, physics being what they are, they could probably all be thrust through the void. What you see as 'bizarre design choices' are, for many of us, what gives the Gallente ships their character. The Gallente are arguably, far and away, the most artistic race in EVE. They almost hedonistic when it comes to an over-the-top flair for the dramatic, the avant-garde, and, yes, the needless. There is expression even in the superfluous, and while I am sure that every little dangly bit and protruding nacelle probably serves some kind of purpose, the Gallente have chosen to exhibit things where they are due not to need alone, but because -- for them -- form matters. (It matters to the Amarr, too, clearly... though they also follow a far more traditional design approach that involves more basal attempts to overawe and intimidate). If function ruled over all form, then every ship in EVE would look like either those of the Caldari or the Minmatar (and thank goodness they don't).
Yes, I see a sleeker, more rugged, and arguably more battle-ready boat in the new Exequror. But I also see a ship that lost a lot of what made it a very cool and exceedingly unique part of this little universe. The new Exequror is something more than what it once was, but also something less... and that's not a happy thing. It really makes me worry about changes to other 'scorned-but-beloved' Gallente ships like the Imicus, the Thorax, and the ever-present Dominix. I welcome very much improvements to the models. I view with increasing fret changes so dramatic that they destroy the identity of the very thing they are trying to upgrade.
YEah don't touch the thorax. Or at least keep the spinny things on the interdiction version if you do.
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![Memphis Baas Memphis Baas](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1044001681/portrait?size=64)
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.01.17 21:34:40 -
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Provence Tristram wrote: Unlike human faces, [...] a predilection towards a certain style of car, or boat, or house, or... yes... spaceship is likely affected by any number of non-preprogramed life experiences, sensations, and simple, inexplicable want (the very intangible stuff that makes us human).
Counter-point. The part of the brain that recognizes patterns as faces and immediately rates the symmetry doesn't turn off when we look at other things.
Symmetrical ships will appeal to more people than non-symmetrical ships; the trick is that we have, what, more than 200 ships in the game and they all have to be unique and easily recognizable somehow. Fortunately, the world probably has several thousand different models of cars and vehicles, and they're mostly symmetrical, so I think the issue with the ships already has solutions.
EDIT: Regarding "genius", it's more like they had Picasso-wannabe art designers and now they switched back to Raphael / Renaissance. I like the changes; keep the abstract in all the meta and stats we have to deal with when looking at the ships, and let their shapes be realistic. |
![Unezka Turigahl Unezka Turigahl](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91014250/portrait?size=64)
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
564
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:44:26 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:[quote=Provence Tristram] it's more like they had Picasso-wannabe art designers
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![Provence Tristram Provence Tristram](https://images.evetech.net/characters/95266507/portrait?size=64)
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:20:31 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Provence Tristram wrote: Unlike human faces, [...] a predilection towards a certain style of car, or boat, or house, or... yes... spaceship is likely affected by any number of non-preprogramed life experiences, sensations, and simple, inexplicable want (the very intangible stuff that makes us human).
Counter-point. The part of the brain that recognizes patterns as faces and immediately rates the symmetry doesn't turn off when we look at other things. Symmetrical ships will appeal to more people than non-symmetrical ships; the trick is that we have, what, more than 200 ships in the game and they all have to be unique and easily recognizable somehow. Fortunately, the world probably has several thousand different models of cars and vehicles, and they're mostly symmetrical, so I think the issue with the ships already has solutions. EDIT: Regarding "genius", it's more like they had Picasso-wannabe art designers and now they switched back to Raphael / Renaissance. I like the changes; keep the abstract in all the meta and stats we have to deal with when looking at the ships, and let their shapes be realistic.
Necessity governs symmetry in the real world. I celebrate the randomness of Gallente ships for their artistic value, but it's quite possible that they simply find that that's the best way to build these things. I really think the 'all symmetrical' crowd need to lay off and go fly ships that please them, dropping the crusade to eradicate all that is different. I'm not trying to change what you like -- why do you feel the need to behave contrarily towards me and my likes? |
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Kelleth Kirk
Angels with Artillery
86
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:26:54 -
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Ahh, the new Exequror is lovely, I am flying the Navy Issue version and I am tearing through level 3 missions... Good fun in a lovely ship =)
I am not much for Gallente ships usually, too potato like for my taste, but I like the new design for it =)
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
52
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Posted - 2015.01.18 09:13:27 -
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The New Exequror is absolutely Sexy.![Blink](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png)
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![Mara Pahrdi Mara Pahrdi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91551897/portrait?size=64)
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
910
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:17:56 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:To be fair not all asymmetry in the ships is bad. The Catalyst comes to mind, which is a good looking ship despite being asymmetrical. As is the Myrmidon (which I guess still does have bi-lateral symmetry).
It does come down to how it is done. Big bulgy things hanging off or growing out (like the Torax) or "missing limbs" (like the old Exequror) or broken limbs (like the Atron) or bent and crooked (like the Imicus) are NOT the right way to do asymmetry. In general people are going to be turned off from that. And as much as I otherwise like the look of Gallente ships, these bizarre design choices ruin them.
I liked the old design of the Exequror exactly because of that. So besides the general graphic improvement, the new design is a change for the worse to me.
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![Provence Tristram Provence Tristram](https://images.evetech.net/characters/95266507/portrait?size=64)
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:21:10 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:To be fair not all asymmetry in the ships is bad. The Catalyst comes to mind, which is a good looking ship despite being asymmetrical. As is the Myrmidon (which I guess still does have bi-lateral symmetry).
It does come down to how it is done. Big bulgy things hanging off or growing out (like the Torax) or "missing limbs" (like the old Exequror) or broken limbs (like the Atron) or bent and crooked (like the Imicus) are NOT the right way to do asymmetry. In general people are going to be turned off from that. And as much as I otherwise like the look of Gallente ships, these bizarre design choices ruin them.
I liked the old design of the Exequror exactly because of that. So besides the general graphic improvement, the new design is a change to the worse for me.
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The change is what it is, but not everyone has to act like it was a good one. What's more, I think the skeek sides of the new Exeq are, by in large, a failure. I don't care what the intent was, the result is that it looks far less detailed than most Gallente ships. Compare it with a Vexor or a Brutix... the differences are kind of embrassing.
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![Doopi Doopi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/602280304/portrait?size=64)
Doopi
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:21:54 -
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I like the new exequror/oneiros but i find the nose a bit to big. Now please could you change this ugly imicus/helios model :( |
![Memphis Baas Memphis Baas](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1044001681/portrait?size=64)
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:59:56 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:I really think the 'all symmetrical' crowd need to lay off and go fly ships that please them, dropping the crusade to eradicate all that is different. I'm not trying to change what you like -- why do you feel the need to behave contrarily towards me and my likes?
If this is a thread where we don't try to change what other people like, but rather just express what we like, then the OP expressed his pleasure, a number of people posted once to express their views (pro or con), then YOU started replying over and over how you dislike it. If that's not a crusade then drop it; we got it: you dislike the new Exequror.
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![Provence Tristram Provence Tristram](https://images.evetech.net/characters/95266507/portrait?size=64)
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2015.01.18 12:03:58 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Provence Tristram wrote:I really think the 'all symmetrical' crowd need to lay off and go fly ships that please them, dropping the crusade to eradicate all that is different. I'm not trying to change what you like -- why do you feel the need to behave contrarily towards me and my likes? If this is a thread where we don't try to change what other people like, but rather just express what we like, then the OP expressed his pleasure, a number of people posted once to express their views (pro or con), then YOU started replying over and over how you dislike it. If that's not a crusade then drop it; we got it: you dislike the new Exequror.
Lol. Okay, get angry, I don't really care. Never once -- never once -- have I said change it back. And yet, your party is never satisfied: with the Exequror forever altered, it's on the to the next project! Tally ho, let's hunt this fox into extinction! |
![Mr Epeen Mr Epeen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1382977102/portrait?size=64)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7591
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Posted - 2015.01.18 19:31:45 -
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I'm going to date myself here.
When I first saw it in-game, this is what I thought of.
Any ship that digs that deep into my nostalgia storage locker gets a big thumbs up from me.
Mr Epeen ![Cool](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
284
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Posted - 2015.01.18 20:31:15 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I'm going to date myself here. When I first saw it in-game, this is what I thought of. Any ship that digs that deep into my nostalgia storage locker gets a big thumbs up from me. Mr Epeen ![Cool](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
If the Exequror now includes a flying mini-sub I give it three thumbs-up. |
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