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Galaxic Pimp
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Posted - 2006.09.20 16:38:00 -
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Right now i'm flying a Wolf, as a new player (only 2 months in) i was wondering if continuing to build skills to make that ship more effective is worht while, or should i just move on to something bigger IE: Tempest? What are some of the pro's and con's to using a WOlf over a big ship, and what's a good fitting to use on this ship?
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Krist Valentine
Amarr
Bad Omen Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.20 16:40:00 -
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Keep training. The more skills you have, the more you can kill in it. They're cheaper, faster, harder to hit, faster, and still equally effective. Plus, you won't be called primary target in gang battles.
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Robert Wells
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Posted - 2006.09.20 16:40:00 -
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Assault Ships kick ass stick with it, imo train AF, HAC, BS, in that order. So dont train ANY cruiser skills till your piloting AF, Inty with Tech 2 smalls. Training this way will take longer but i guerentee when you reach the battleship level you will have the skills to pilot it properly.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.20 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: inSpirAcy on 20/09/2006 16:49:18
The most effective role I can see for AFs is heavy tackling. They're small, fast and hard to hit on a weaker scale than interceptors, but they can take a heavier beating while dealing back some damage of their own.
That's quite a different role from the larger ships, which are often forced to absorb the full brunt of an enemy's damage and deal equally heavy damage back. It really depends what your goals are.
I found solace half way, in battlecruisers. 
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Phyrexia Tarzig
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Posted - 2006.09.20 16:54:00 -
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I fly a lot of different ships. I've found the Wolf gives me the most overall laughs; while I blow them up on a regular basis, I'm quite happy to go buy another, T2 gear and all. Stick with it, they improve a lot as your skills grow, both as player and character. |
Permian
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:07:00 -
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Long story short, the isk/hour you make in an AF is peanuts compared to what you'll make in a BS or even a BC, at least with a low sp character (can't comment on high sp characters as this char is <4 months old).
I did the same thing... I was flying a harpy with t2 guns/ammo at around 2-2.5 months in. At the time i was running lv3 missions, and even tho i could tank just fine, the dps simply couldn't compare to what i was doing in a battlecruiser (in my case ferox).
Now, a month or so later, i'm running lv4s in a raven and the dps/isk gap is enormous.
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Flaming sambuka
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:11:00 -
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Af's are great fun, ive flown harpy, hawk, enyo and ishkur, favourite is the enyo :D, the main use of an af is to be a tackler/anti frig. yes you can do lvl 3's and some lvl 4's in them but its not worth it tbh just get a bs for that. I would say unless your doing pvp then dont bother with them.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:15:00 -
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I trained AF skill since they launched and my verdict is .....MEH!
They are slow and their sig radius is too high for a t2 ship.
ATM they are not worth their money......atleast not in PVP.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Robert Wells
Assault Ships kick ass stick with it, imo train AF, HAC, BS, in that order. So dont train ANY cruiser skills till your piloting AF, Inty with Tech 2 smalls. Training this way will take longer but i guerentee when you reach the battleship level you will have the skills to pilot it properly.
Lies.
Assult frigs dont kick ass.
Many people find assult frigs fun and they are a magnatude better than all other frigs for PVE.
If you want to run missions fast and effectively go straight from frig to cruiser to BC. If you have rich friends to buy you a ship you can skip BC and go to battleship.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Flaming sambuka
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
I trained AF skill since they launched and my verdict is .....MEH!
They are slow and their sig radius is too high for a t2 ship.
ATM they are not worth their money......atleast not in PVP.
If you use them as intended and not solopwnmobiles then they rock :P
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:29:00 -
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For small scale PvP i would definitely not advise flying AFs. They are good in big gangs because of the fast lock and relatively high speed.
Having to choose between a cruiser or an AF, i would go with the cruiser 9 times out of 10. ASide from anything else they are half the price but will nearly always kick the crap out of AF pilots. The only ships bigger than frigates you can kill in AFs is ones piloted by retards.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.20 18:59:00 -
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Lies, certain AFs are awesome solo.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
Lies, certain AFs are awesome solo.
Agreed. I've soloed a lot of bigger stuff (and no, the pilots were not all noobs) in my Ishkur.
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Sebai Hana
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
I trained AF skill since they launched and my verdict is .....MEH!
They are slow and their sig radius is too high for a t2 ship.
ATM they are not worth their money......atleast not in PVP.
Atleast Ishkur still rocks (I <3 that ship), Jaguar also seems like a nice ship.
I don't know mutch of Caldari but they seem to have the weakest AFs but they compensate with a mutch better Inty.
Amarr do have two nice AFs one for ratting (Retribution) and one which is good for solo PVP and maby in small gangs.
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Mjala
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sebai Hana
I don't know mutch of Caldari but they seem to have the weakest AFs but they compensate with a mutch better Inty.
harpy is a good ship.
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Sebai Hana
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:55:00 -
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As I said I don't know mutch about them, it seems to have crap DPS compared with Ishkur or Enyo (both uses Hybrid guns), mainly because I use Rails in my calculation, (I also think that Harpy is crap for a blastership).
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sebai Hana
As I said I don't know mutch about them, it seems to have crap DPS compared with Ishkur or Enyo (both uses Hybrid guns), mainly because I use Rails in my calculation, (I also think that Harpy is crap for a blastership).
DPS means nothing when your optimal range is 80km with small guns. 
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Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 20/09/2006 20:27:48
assault ship (frigate) are great. and they are fun. 
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"isk/hr ratio"
...and people blame EVE for being boring, with that kind of mentality they should only blame themself. You don't NEED to grind you know?
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:26:00 -
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ok u need to think what u are doing and then choose the proper ship/skills to train etc. its ur own interests that will guide u to right direction. anyway AF¦s are best used in smallish (~5-20)
gangs they are guerilla warfare at their best, certain Hacs have the speed to match AF easily BUT theres difference in 20M and 200M ship as it should be.
About wolf: it depends lot how you prefer/want to use it its not an all around ship, fit 280mm T2 and ur alpha strike to small targets will scare the **** out of them (eg wreck ~500 with ok skils and quake) or use it as AC¦s and make it a lil tanking machine. what u really cant do in wolf is npc (compared example: BC¦s) so its pure pvp ship against smallish targets.
but its fun as hell.
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Jackson Payday
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Posted - 2006.09.20 23:42:00 -
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For anti frig/interceptor work destroyers are just flat out better (not to mention cheaper).
AF are overrated. They are too slow for frigates. The only real good use for AF is as damage dealers for frig gangs.
That's not to say that they aren't fun to fly. But they definitely aren't the best bang for your buck. A T1 cruiser is better as a damage dealer, an inty will tackle better, and a destroyer will kill frigs better.
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.21 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jackson Payday
For anti frig/interceptor work destroyers are just flat out better (not to mention cheaper).
i strongly disagree with that let me explain why: destroyer can indeed make 1-2 kills very quickly when the engagement begins after that it usually falls apart if 2-3 T1 frigs starts shooting it.
destroyer also have bigger OV "tag" or what ever its called making it more often primary= dies a lot and very much faster than af= you cant kill if ur dead.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 00:58:00 -
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Two main types of AF school of thought thats effective : Anti-frigate Fleet Escort, Heavy Tackling.
Heavy Tackling involves being a second-wave tackler after an inty's initial tackle and to add on more points, but instead of being easily killable/chaseable than an inty, the AF will able to tank the damage long enough for said ship to go down. (see Jaguar, Vengeance)
Fleet Escort mostly involves shooting down would-be tackling inties and creating a sphere of death for any taclking interceptor that tries to get close to the ship you are protecting. 3 inties vs a Prophecy + escorting retribution for example. (see Retribution, Harpy, Hawk)
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Sebai Hana
As I said I don't know mutch about them, it seems to have crap DPS compared with Ishkur or Enyo (both uses Hybrid guns), mainly because I use Rails in my calculation, (I also think that Harpy is crap for a blastership).
DPS means nothing when your optimal range is 80km with small guns.
80km? you should be breaking 100km 
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Sergis
Caldari
Devils collective
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:15:00 -
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Hawk is also great PVP Af.
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nahtoh
Caldari
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.21 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Sebai Hana
As I said I don't know mutch about them, it seems to have crap DPS compared with Ishkur or Enyo (both uses Hybrid guns), mainly because I use Rails in my calculation, (I also think that Harpy is crap for a blastership).
DPS means nothing when your optimal range is 80km with small guns.
Annoying plated claw playing can't catch me games at 70 to 100km...meet harpy say bye bye 
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Galaxic Pimp
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:17:00 -
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Thanks for all the help guys, i'll probably stick with my AF for a good while then. I really cant stand being ass slow in a tempest
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El Nemico
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Posted - 2006.09.26 03:42:00 -
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I agree that the AF is a tackler, and that it plays a bi-role in the big fight. I have never understood why people chose to engage a BS in a AF duo or even solo?
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: El Nemico
I have never understood why people chose to engage a BS in a AF duo or even solo?
coz it kills the battleship.
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