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Shoele Lialos
Gallente
MCB Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:26:00 -
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Which would you consider to be the stronger PVP Cruiser for either solo, duo, or small gang PVP?
Feel free to assume maxed fitting skills, etc. I'd have Cruiser V in the appropriate race's Cruiser skill, but due to expense don't want to be using T2 Cruisers for PVP.
Thanx in advance.
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:30:00 -
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The thorax will rip the stabber apart unfortunately. Regardless of what the stabber pilot does. It doesnt have the slots to support a huge solo advantage. On the other hand if u insist on using a minnie ship the Rupture is perhaps the only t1 cruiser to be able to go 1v1 w a thorax.
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Mjala
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:39:00 -
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correct.
your question should be:
Thorax vs. Rupture
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oreguy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:09:00 -
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Stabber fitted in a similar fashion to a vagabond is lethal, can take down pretty much any ratting ship apart from a raven, due to the mwd those missiles really do that little bit too much damage. (orbit at 500m, take out the drones first and its easy prey)
Its cheaper than a thorax aswell, however, the stabber is weak in tank abilities in comparison.
Best duo combination that i've flown with is a stabber and a blackbird combined, however if your flying with a blackbird you'd be able to fit a thorax for full gank setup which would be better than the stabber.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Rehmes
The thorax will rip the stabber apart unfortunately. Regardless of what the stabber pilot does. It doesnt have the slots to support a huge solo advantage. On the other hand if u insist on using a minnie ship the Rupture is perhaps the only t1 cruiser to be able to go 1v1 w a thorax.
wrong ...
watch
if the stabber can stay out of webrange the thorax will likely die ...
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Marine Raider
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:07:00 -
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Any idea what that stabber setup was? I saw the t2 dual 180 but what bout the missiles and the mids/lows? And are d180s better for that kind of work than 220s? I can only use t1 meds atm and wanna know what would be the best.
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:14:00 -
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that was a shield tanked thorax... it had no armor tank at all.
when two mwd based cruisers meet, and one of the cruisers relies on staying outside of the web range, disengaiging from the battle is easy for either of the ships.
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Symb Everway
Minmatar
TetraMorph Nexus Inc.
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Marine Raider
Any idea what that stabber setup was? I saw the t2 dual 180 but what bout the missiles and the mids/lows? And are d180s better for that kind of work than 220s? I can only use t1 meds atm and wanna know what would be the best.
Assault launchers, 20km scram, MWD, medium shield extender, gyros.
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Symb Everway
Minmatar
TetraMorph Nexus Inc.
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Symb Everway on 20/09/2006 22:23:19
(edit: ******* piece of **** worthless ass crap forums)
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juduzz
Amarr
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.21 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Symb Everway
Originally by: Marine Raider
Any idea what that stabber setup was? I saw the t2 dual 180 but what bout the missiles and the mids/lows? And are d180s better for that kind of work than 220s? I can only use t1 meds atm and wanna know what would be the best.
Assault launchers, 20km scram, MWD, medium shield extender, gyros.
Use a large sheild exstender FFS :P
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oreguy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.21 00:44:00 -
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This is a nice setup, needs tweeking to suit individual skills tho
high:
4 x 220mm vulcan II
2 x assault launchers
mids:
1 x large extender II
1 x 10mn mwd
1 x scrambler
low:
1 x gyro II
1 x damage control
1 x nano
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Garmon
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Posted - 2006.09.21 10:44:00 -
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Stabber ofcourse, a lot more manouvarable, can run out of most situations, nearly killed a pilgrim in it and killed a cyclone + a brutix gate camping, didn't get the typhoon though :(
was using something like
4 dual 180mm II's 2 heavy launchers
10mn mwd, large extender disruptor
2 gyro's and a nanofiber internal or another gyro if u have enough cpu
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.21 10:46:00 -
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My money is on the stabber too actually, if the pilot is good and dont let the thorax close the distance. But it takes some fancy flying. :)
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SmokeMeAKipper
System-Lords
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.21 13:17:00 -
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The stabber can beat a thorax using the orbit at 13km tactic - in fact the same tactic could possible have you beat a deimos (I tried but ran out of cap using the LSE setup and got webbed - close though)
having t2 guns and barrage ammo essential for this
couple of setups (they are weak so you have to avoid fire not tank it)
4*ac, 2*missile
MWD, 20km, Large Shield Extender
Gyro, DC, Nano
4*ac, 2*missile
MWD, 20km, (web or med cap booster)
MAR, EANM, Gryo or plate (not sure about PG fit)
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ZelRox
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.21 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: ZelRox on 21/09/2006 13:24:29
doesnt dual 180mm t2 + gyro 2 have better DOT because of tracking compared to 220mm.
I used dual 180mm t2 on a rupture, with 2 gyros, the damage output was mean.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.21 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: ZelRox
Edited by: ZelRox on 21/09/2006 13:24:29
doesnt dual 180mm t2 + gyro 2 have better DOT because of tracking compared to 220mm.
I used dual 180mm t2 on a rupture, with 2 gyros, the damage output was mean.
Not in the case of the stabber because the stabber needs range before anything else in it's weapon systems. For that reason 220s are a better choice as you will be firing your weapons are the edge of your fall off.
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Dupac
Corsets and Carebears
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: ZelRox
Edited by: ZelRox on 21/09/2006 13:24:29
doesnt dual 180mm t2 + gyro 2 have better DOT because of tracking compared to 220mm.
I used dual 180mm t2 on a rupture, with 2 gyros, the damage output was mean.
Not in the case of the stabber because the stabber needs range before anything else in it's weapon systems. For that reason 220s are a better choice as you will be firing your weapons are the edge of your fall off.
I don't fly minnie ships, though I might start - they look fun  but the 220 and the 180 appear to have the same falloff and the optimal difference is negligible so I'm not sure that the difference in range matters - please correct me if I'm wrong
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Leikeze Mrotserif
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:30:00 -
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Inside web range=Thorax
Outside web range=Stabber
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Snodgey2004
Mega Modal M0nkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:42:00 -
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Both are good ships , I fly minnie so personally fly the stabber alot more than thorax , as said at close range the thorax will always win , even if someone was to show me a link of them beating a nOOb in their stabber , in web range blasters rock most ships .
I'd like to give you a decent thorax setup but am new to them but a stabber setup I use and works well
4 x Dual 180 II's
1 heavy Missile Launcher
1 Medium NOS
10mn MWD
20km Scrambler
Large Shield Ext.
Damage Control
2 Gyro II's
Could swap the NOs for another Launcher give it a bit more oomph , especially if you know what your doing you don't use the NOS all that often , the damage control is obvious and has saved me a few times , and becasue your using the shields you can use the lows to stack up on damage which the stabber lacks ( compared to Rupture and definatley the Thorax ) .
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