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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 07:18:00 -
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Quick few gripes...
I never posted until the lag issues. Now I have some legitimate gripes that I'd love to see addressed by CCP (preferably avoiding posts by the 3.5 year vets who want EVE to be one big PVP zone, and by fanboys.. I choose vet pirates over fanboys any day).
The petition queue has always been a problem. Every month we hear about extremely long petition response times. CCP has even cleared the entire queues before just to catch up. Now, while I realize that every little thing causes a lot of petitions, you would assume that since it's a regular thing to be backlogged 4+ weeks, there would be some consideration to hiring more GMs and I'm not talking about for friggin' Shanghai, which is apparently the only place you feel you need GMs, according to your website. I can see 2 weeks being a reasonable wait... though other MMOs have in the neighborhood of oh... a 48 hour response time.
And another gripe I have is some level 4 missions. I appreciate that there are those out there with faction ships, faction fittings, officer fittings, whatever. I understand that they can tear through these level fours like a fat chick through popcorn. What I don't understand is why, on a lvl 4 mission in an average player's ship/fittings, you can draw aggro from 3 different spawns at one time... translating into 5 gallente navy megathrons, 3 gallente navy domis, 5 gallente navy delta support frigate IIs, 4 gallente navy vexors, 2 gallente navy thoraxes, 5 gallente navy officers, and 3 gallente navy delta support frigate 1s. No drones, no attacking structures, no anything except for attacking the frigates already shooting at you. My tank had nearly 80% resist to every damage type, yet in a matter of seconds I was screaming at my impending doom. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last mission (unless its fixed) where an unreasonable amount of enemies suddenly aggro for no good reason. And certainly turning EVERY mish into a deadspace mish wasn't the greatest idea. Now you warp in and you're 20km from every enemy spawn. Fabulous.
I would complain about the precision cruise missiles getting wayyyyyyyyyyy nerfed... (ie. 6 volleys not taking out a support frigate II), but then I'd hear a bunch of complaining about everything else the Caldari have, so I'll leave that one alone. Besides, frig killing is what drones are for.
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Mona Lou
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.21 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mona Lou on 21/09/2006 07:30:39
Aren't L4 missions supposed to be hard? And aren't they designed for group of players, not soloers? TBH I always thought its pretty stupid when you are killing one spawn and others are having break waiting til their mates are dead. Yes, its maybe better for gameplay, but if they wanted to make it more realistic, EVERY enemy ship would attack you in the moment you warp in.
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Estelle Matsuko
Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.21 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Estelle Matsuko on 21/09/2006 07:42:55 NEVER complain about missions being too hard. They are MEANT to be hard.
Not everyone should be able to complete a mission. Not everyone should be able to complete a mission and get the bonus.
If a mission is too hard, phone a friend. No friends? join a corp and make some.
I¦ve never understood why several groups sit around whilst you spank another group. Don¦t they have communications? can¦t they SEE the bloody explosions?.
Rat in group 1 : "FFS guys give us a hand here. This player is creaming us"
Rat 1 in group 2 " horsie to queens bishop 3, check in 3"
Rat 2 in group 2 "FFS yer creaming me here.....did you hear something?"
Rat 1 in group 2 "stop trying to weasel out and make yer move"
KABOOOOOOM.
Player chortles at the stupid NPC¦s
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.21 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: Godar Marak on 21/09/2006 07:47:38 Edited by: Godar Marak on 21/09/2006 07:47:04
Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar What I don't understand is why, on a lvl 4 mission in an average player's ship/fittings, you can draw aggro from 3 different spawns at one time... translating into 5 gallente navy megathrons, 3 gallente navy domis, 5 gallente navy delta support frigate IIs, 4 gallente navy vexors, 2 gallente navy thoraxes, 5 gallente navy officers, and 3 gallente navy delta support frigate 1s.
Kill the pesty tackling frigates, then kill the cruisers, then kill the battleships. The mission you speak of......think I had to warp out 3 or 4 times witch quite frankly is no big deal.
Its a lv4, its supposed to be hard. You always have the option of NOT ACCEPTING that particular mission.
So stop crying and whipe that snot away.
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Serem
Gallente Dyson Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.21 07:55:00 -
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If you did the Enemies Abound mission then attacking the frigates will every time aggro the the whole spawn. Smartbomb them and jump out. Then jump in again. You can always look here for mission walkthroughs.
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The petition queue has always been a problem. Every month we hear about extremely long petition response times. CCP has even cleared the entire queues before just to catch up. Now, while I realize that every little thing causes a lot of petitions, you would assume that since it's a regular thing to be backlogged 4+ weeks, there would be some consideration to hiring more GMs and I'm not talking about for friggin' Shanghai, which is apparently the only place you feel you need GMs, according to your website. I can see 2 weeks being a reasonable wait... though other MMOs have in the neighborhood of oh... a 48 hour response time.
I've played since May 2003 and had to petition 8 or 9 times so far. Mostly stuck and mission in progress issues. GMs always responded within half an hour so far.
Serem
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:06:00 -
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I use no faction fits and can solo any normal level 4 mission. Prehaps you just suck?
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Fivor
BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:28:00 -
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Level 4's are supposed to be hard. but you can use your brain to makle them a bit easier. ship types can make a large difference
Misison in progreess petitions are answered pretty quickly [well I just had on answered within a few hours - I was unable to complete an important mission becuase the spawn didn't drop the required package]. I think I have had to petition about 3 times in my life for missions -- BIG Sales BIG Lottery Eve Search
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Makmakis
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:37:00 -
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well arnt you just lucky , i had to petition because my ship got blown due to server issues , it took them 1 month to reply and even then al i got back was ,
Sorry not our fault so i aint gona give you anything back ,
which was handy when i have 180mil worth of stuff in my hold !!needless to say i got over it
and Now dont see the point in petition cause they never admit its there fault
Callum out
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Gwyneth
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Makmakis well arnt you just lucky , i had to petition because my ship got blown due to server issues , it took them 1 month to reply and even then al i got back was ,
Sorry not our fault so i aint gona give you anything back ,
which was handy when i have 180mil worth of stuff in my hold !!needless to say i got over it
and Now dont see the point in petition cause they never admit its there fault
Callum out
*cough**cough*
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Laythun
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:06:00 -
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This is great.
Your complaining becasue Lvl 4's are too hard??/ are u crazy??
Level 4's were implemented (before your time or you'd know this) to be a GROUP thing, that is all, they were never intended for the solo mission runner. Now they have finally changed it so the spawn aggro's like any NORMAL pirates would, you whine.
well tough mate, there working almost as intended. i'd say the only problem with them is tht there too easy.
oh yeah, cruise were never intended to be able to pwn small targets, they have thankfully been rebalanced so dont even start that whine.
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Nerdalus
Minmatar DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:04:00 -
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Maybe the missions are hard because u basically suck 
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Pabs Sco
Caldari Ecosse
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:51:00 -
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Yes lvl4 are hard..ment to be hard...
Its not a way to get easy isk....
I do lvl4 solo, 99% of the time. My skills suck, I know they do, in one mission I need help to kill the last BS.
Anyway, I did Angel Extravaganza solo, took agro from everyone....all I did was warp out..recharge shield (Raven) and get back in, after the first 2 rooms it became easier and finished in plenty of time for my Bonus.
I stress my missile skills suck, 454K SP in missiles, my shield skills are...meh..OK. Lvl4's are hard, its how it is. ------
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Eris Discordia

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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:00:00 -
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CCP is hiring more GM¦s, there was a sticky about this not so very long ago and they will be working in iceland.
Lev 4 missions are suppose to be harder then regular missions and it¦s a challenge to complete them, how exactly is left up to your creativity (groups of players, expensive fittings or smartbombs any other tactic that gets it done).
Trapped in Signature Factory. Send help - Eris pink Dread |
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Pizi
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pabs Sco Yes lvl4 are hard..ment to be hard...
Its not a way to get easy isk....
I do lvl4 solo, 99% of the time. My skills suck, I know they do, in one mission I need help to kill the last BS.
Anyway, I did Angel Extravaganza solo, took agro from everyone....all I did was warp out..recharge shield (Raven) and get back in, after the first 2 rooms it became easier and finished in plenty of time for my Bonus.
I stress my missile skills suck, 454K SP in missiles, my shield skills are...meh..OK. Lvl4's are hard, its how it is.
not everyone can fly a raven and neebs usualy dont know about the nberness of a raven in pve _______________________________________________
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Say no to BMs
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 19:53:00 -
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I realize that lvl 4s are meant to be hard. If all the groups split up their aggro against everyone in the mission, that would be one thing... but they're not. They're all focusing their fire on one player. 80% resist is pretty decent, imho, but that can't stand up to much abuse when it comes to the numbers of ships I've described. I can solo 6/10 complexes with 8 battlesheeps attacking me, but these are quite different. And I was with a group when I went into the mission.
As for the GM deal... the current hiring method is a miserable failure. You're going to require your GMs to live and work in Iceland. Congratulations, you've just gotten rid of 90% of the most qualified people out there who would be interested. Hell, if nothing else, you could always bump up ISD people to have GM powers, and you'd be able to bolster your ranks substantially for FREE. No better price than free.
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DiExAzarius
Operation WTF
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Posted - 2006.09.21 20:50:00 -
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That won't happen. They've already said they don't want the gm tools going offsite.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 21:27:00 -
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Which explains why the queue is always going to be a problem.
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Tamulan
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar Congratulations, you've just gotten rid of 90% of the most qualified people out there who would be interested.
But those remaining 10% who are willing to relocate must be very dedicated, and I'd rather wait to have my petition answered by someone who takes pride in their work.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.22 01:08:00 -
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So anyone who isn't willing to relocate all of their personal business (ie. people with families, people with houses, etc.) doesn't take pride in their work? I think there are people who would take issue with that.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.22 01:20:00 -
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CCP doesn't want the omghax GM client outside of the offices for obvious reasons... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |

Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.09.22 01:53:00 -
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alright, their gm system is fine and *gasp* they DO promote ISD to gms!
ever heard of eris, sharkbait, and the others?
Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg |

Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.22 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol alright, their gm system is fine and *gasp* they DO promote ISD to gms!
ever heard of eris, sharkbait, and the others?
Whoa whoa whoa. Their GM system is fine? Excuse me.. but how long is the average wait time in the queue? How many times have they reset the queue because they were hopelessly behind? Fine?
And I forgot to thank the other poster for the linky to the walkthrough. Thank you most kindly!
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Deja Thoris
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.22 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun This is great.
Your complaining becasue Lvl 4's are too hard??/ are u crazy??
Level 4's were implemented (before your time or you'd know this) to be a GROUP thing, that is all, they were never intended for the solo mission runner. Now they have finally changed it so the spawn aggro's like any NORMAL pirates would, you whine.
well tough mate, there working almost as intended. i'd say the only problem with them is tht there too easy.
oh yeah, cruise were never intended to be able to pwn small targets, they have thankfully been rebalanced so dont even start that whine.
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GPerson
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.22 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar
Whoa whoa whoa. Their GM system is fine? Excuse me.. but how long is the average wait time in the queue?
Anywhere from 30 minutes to 30 hours at most. Oh wait, you seem to think reimbursment is the only type of petition. Newsflash, reimbursment is _not_ the only type of petition, and the only time a reimbursment is generally looked at is when there are very few/no petitions of other types waiting.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.22 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Laythun This is great.
Your complaining becasue Lvl 4's are too hard??/ are u crazy??
Level 4's were implemented (before your time or you'd know this) to be a GROUP thing, that is all, they were never intended for the solo mission runner. Now they have finally changed it so the spawn aggro's like any NORMAL pirates would, you whine.
well tough mate, there working almost as intended. i'd say the only problem with them is tht there too easy.
oh yeah, cruise were never intended to be able to pwn small targets, they have thankfully been rebalanced so dont even start that whine.
I didn't say Level 4's in general are too hard. I said this particular level 4 was insane. I also said PRECISION cruise missiles which are supposed to fare better against friggies. Unfortunately, they don't work that way anymore. But as I said, that's another discussion, and the least of my concerns.
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