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Kronos Hopeslayer
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:20:00 -
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Everyone seems to be in love with the Tornado, so I'm taking a look at the Oracle. My EFT warrior skills come up with this. Seems practical enough. With my skills 850dps Multi 675dps Scorch, 40k EHP
[Oracle, Pulse]
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive /OFFLINE Warp Disruptor II Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hornet EC-300 x5
I think the sniper fit can be worked out better. Maybe drop the plate and make it a complete glass cannon, and use DPS rigs.
[Oracle, Sniper]
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
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SabotNoob
Sabot Industries
15
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:38:00 -
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You sure about those drones? I thought they don't have the ability to have drones.
I bought one last night and laughed at the ability to fit 8 Tachyon Beam Lasers. It was great.
High: 8 x Tachyon Beam Laser II
Mid: 2 x Cap Recharger II 1 x Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed)
Low: 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 2 x Heat Sink II 1 x Armor EM Hardener II 1 x Armor Thermic Hardener II 1 x Adaptive Nano Plating II
Rigs: 3 x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
I did a quick rush through a Level 3 last night easily. Don't know how it'll fare against a Level 4.
I didn't include an afterburner since 250 m/s seems damn fast enough for now. Haven't played with the idea of using Pulse Lasers yet since some NPCs can be very far away. |

Stealthbug
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:09:00 -
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SabotNoob wrote:You sure about those drones? I thought they don't have the ability to have drones.
I bought one last night and laughed at the ability to fit 8 Tachyon Beam Lasers. It was great.
High: 8 x Tachyon Beam Laser II
Mid: 2 x Cap Recharger II 1 x Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed)
Low: 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 2 x Heat Sink II 1 x Armor EM Hardener II 1 x Armor Thermic Hardener II 1 x Adaptive Nano Plating II
Rigs: 3 x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
I did a quick rush through a Level 3 last night easily. Don't know how it'll fare against a Level 4.
I didn't include an afterburner since 250 m/s seems damn fast enough for now. Haven't played with the idea of using Pulse Lasers yet since some NPCs can be very far away.
Well, no, they cannot have drones. The Talos is the only one that gets them.
Also, missioning? In an Oracle? I'm not of the belief that mission runners are inferior or anything, but jeez. You must really like the oracle. When I throw gigantic guns onto a soap bubble, I like to at least know that there wont be billions of AI-controlled children to slap me out of the sky... |

SabotNoob
Sabot Industries
15
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:25:00 -
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Stealthbug wrote:
Well, no, they cannot have drones. The Talos is the only one that gets them.
Also, missioning? In an Oracle? I'm not of the belief that mission runners are inferior or anything, but jeez. You must really like the oracle. When I throw gigantic guns onto a soap bubble, I like to at least know that there wont be billions of AI-controlled children to slap me out of the sky...
I gave up on missioning. I just had to go and test drive this thing and blow something up. A quick Level 3 gave me my fix. 
The tracking with Tachyon Beams sucks, and is made worse by the Oracle's high speed. I'm guessing Pulse lasers for PvP fits? Or still Tachyons for long range sniping PvP...
Unrelated, but I love the fact that turrets actually miss now, rather than score a hit but do no damage. |

Velonad Tyldamere
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:53:00 -
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Armor tanked sniper oracles really? :cripes: |

Velonad Tyldamere
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:54:00 -
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SabotNoob wrote:[quote=Stealthbug]The tracking with Tachyon Beams sucks, and is made worse by the Oracle's high speed. I'm guessing Pulse lasers for PvP fits? Or still Tachyons for long range sniping PvP...
I beg to differ: https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=462555 https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=462552 https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=462545 https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=462524 |

Phyress
Isumi Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:11:00 -
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I'm loving the MegaPulse Oracle as well - finally have a reason to train a T2 large turret system.
Fitting it seems pretty straightforward, though it needs either a TC with Tracking, two TEs, or tracking rigs just to balance out tracking with its speed.
What are your guys' thoughts on an AB fit, though? About 550m/s with only a 180 sig makes me wonder if it can get under an enemy's large guns. |

Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:20:00 -
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Phyress wrote:I'm loving the MegaPulse Oracle as well - finally have a reason to train a T2 large turret system.
Fitting it seems pretty straightforward, though it needs either a TC with Tracking, two TEs, or tracking rigs just to balance out tracking with its speed.
What are your guys' thoughts on an AB fit, though? About 550m/s with only a 180 sig makes me wonder if it can get under an enemy's large guns.
First I am speechless about people that don't have a reason to have T2 large lasers before the Oracle. 
AB Oracle is quite cool, but think 100MN not 10MN. It goes over 1km/s and tanks large guns or HM very good. 
[Oracle, AB] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I |

Kronos Hopeslayer
Shiva Morsus Mihi
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:24:00 -
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Velonad Tyldamere wrote:Armor tanked sniper oracles really? :cripes:
Oh sorry did it offend your l33t pvp skills enough to smugpost over a 1600 plate? If I was to seriously do this as a sniper fit it would be more along this changing out T2 for T1 and implants for fitting.
[Oracle, Sniper]
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Signal Amplifier II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I |

Phyress
Isumi Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:04:00 -
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Jill Antaris wrote:First I am speechless about people that don't have a reason to have T2 large lasers before the Oracle.  AB Oracle is quite cool, but think 100MN not 10MN. It goes over 1km/s and tanks large guns or HM very good.  [Oracle, AB]
Hmm, do you have some more numbers on that?
And it's easier to get ISK in EVE than skillpoints With so many interesting things to fly, Spaceship Command was 90% of my SP for my first year or so... |
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Julia Connor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:08:00 -
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Kronos Hopeslayer wrote:Velonad Tyldamere wrote:Armor tanked sniper oracles really? :cripes: Oh sorry did it offend your l33t pvp skills enough to smugpost over a 1600 plate? If I was to seriously do this as a sniper fit it would be more along this changing out T2 for T1 and implants for fitting. [Oracle, Sniper] Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Signal Amplifier II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
I'd drop the shield extender for a tracking comp because a nano oracle gang with tachyons deffo doesn't plan to stick around for a long time. Warp to 100 and kill whatever is on the gate hoping you can pop it before it jumps. |

Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:16:00 -
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Well it goes 1022m/s and could outtank halve a dozen Drakes or 2 Machs at 40km(in a active tanking setup). 
For plategank you got around 630 DPS at 53km Optimal and 770 at 18km optimal. It is pretty much like a bigger AB Zealot(with the higher speed it nearly does the same even with the 50% higher sig) with a bit more range and dps as a trade off in tracking(med guns) and resists, what probably still makes the Zealot the first choice for AHAC gangs.
Nothingness vs Drake or BS heavy fleets it is a very cool setup that sports a good survivability with some minor drawbacks in range and DPS over the mega puls version. |

m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:45:00 -
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I find it so amusing that this ship was said to be worse than the Tornado. Infact, alot of pilots didn't want the bonus to capacitor consumption. Everyone was so focused on the Tornado being "overpowered" which it was not. That this ship, which was superior got buy CCP and most of the community.
The Oracle out-damages all tier battle-cruisers in most in-game situations. The ship is also superior to a Tornado as a mobile platform. The only place the Tornado is close, but not superior is in volley damage (tachyon versus Artillery). Other than that. I suppose the Tornado is more viable solo, but most tier 3 battle-cruisers are terrible in that form of engagement. With that exception of the Talos. Which is by far the most viable solo. Way better than the Tornado in that regard.
There will be mix fleets of Oracle and Drakes or Oracles and Hurricanes. Atleast In most mobile fleets, if not all. You'll have to mix to deal with smaller vessels or use Rapiers and Huggins.
The Oracle dominates in shield, armour and long range set-up (aplha or damage per second).
There are 5 setups that will most likely be the most viable for this ship. Either way. Fleets that are not able to field these ships in small gangs. Versus fleets that do. Will be in for a big surprise. Kitting just got harder! All it takes is 2 of these in every fleet and most nano ships without logistics will be incapable of anything. 1600 damage per second from 2 ships up to 65km.
CCP should have limited these ships to only use beams, arts, rails Like I've said in the past...
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Velonad Tyldamere
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
7
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:50:00 -
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Kronos Hopeslayer wrote:Velonad Tyldamere wrote:Armor tanked sniper oracles really? :cripes: Oh sorry did it offend your l33t pvp skills enough to smugpost over a 1600 plate? If I was to seriously do this as a sniper fit it would be more along this changing out T2 for T1 and implants for fitting. [Oracle, Sniper] Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Signal Amplifier II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
You clearly have no idea on how probing mechanics works these days or you wouldn't have wasted valuable slots for a damage control and a signal amplifer.
Also l0l Aurora. Good luck hitting anything smaller than a battlecruiser. |

Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
45
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:03:00 -
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Velonad Tyldamere wrote:Kronos Hopeslayer wrote:Velonad Tyldamere wrote:Armor tanked sniper oracles really? :cripes: Oh sorry did it offend your l33t pvp skills enough to smugpost over a 1600 plate? If I was to seriously do this as a sniper fit it would be more along this changing out T2 for T1 and implants for fitting. [Oracle, Sniper] Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Signal Amplifier II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I You clearly have no idea on how probing mechanics works these days or you wouldn't have wasted valuable slots for a damage control and a signal amplifer. Also l0l Aurora. Good luck hitting anything smaller than a battlecruiser.
I would agree with the sig amp but a DC II never hurt nobody, no how no way 
It's unusual to see sniping fleets way out to 150km+ anymore as probes will see you dead in seconds as the enemy fleet warps in on top of you.
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:37:00 -
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So are you guys seeing the oracle as a ship that would enhance/replace a nano drake fleet? Cause I'm trying to find a place for it in small fleet warfare. |

m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:59:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:So are you guys seeing the oracle as a ship that would enhance/replace a nano drake fleet? Cause I'm trying to find a place for it in small fleet warfare.
Nope! None of the new battle-cruisers. Drakes are in a league all there own. With logistics, then it is. Otherwise! The Drake is still the best mobile battle-cruiser. However, this will replace and should replace the Hurricane. You'll need one or 2 Hurricanes around to deal with frigates, but there will be no reason to field the other battle-cruisers in fleets.
Pretty much all tier 3 battle-cruisers are better in fleets. Compared to tier 3 counterparts. Oracle is far above the rest and only the Drake is comparable to the new battle-cruisers in fleet engagements.
Also, the Tachyon-Oracle and Artillery-Tornado are essentially the same. Although one has more volley (Art) and the other has more tracking and projected and applied damage (Tach). However, without Logistics. The Tornado is superior. Only slight overall effective hit-point difference with resist staying the same for both. So in a engagement with Pulse-Oracles versus Auto-Tornado, with logistics. The Oracle applies vastly more damage than the Tornado, which was compounded by CCP reducing the falloff of the Tornado. Which means Abaddons worth of damage versus Hurricanes pretty much.
Large pulse lasers are just to powerful to be on any hull below battleships. They were always vastly superior. Check applied damage and damage curve. Oracle crushes everything!
Rank in fleets: 1) Oracle 2) Tornado 3) Naga 4) Talos
Rank solo: 1) Talos 2) Tornado 3) Naga 4) Oracle
-proxyyyy |

Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.12.01 00:48:00 -
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m0cking bird wrote: Rank solo: 1) Talos 2) Tornado 3) Naga 4) Oracle
-proxyyyy
The list is upside down.  |

Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
79
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Posted - 2011.12.01 00:51:00 -
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Tornado beats the talos solo if it can kite it and stay out of web range. |

m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2011.12.01 01:27:00 -
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I can only assume if you know how to fly your Talos. You'll be able to catch a lone Tornado. In any case, don't need to further elaborate. Fly the ships and figure it out for yourselves. It's not like I listen to others opinions on the forums. Atleast for the most part. Especially if I don't know them and in general most of those who post on the forums don't know what they're talking about (solo or as a fleet commander/small gang and large fleet engagements).
I expect most of you to actually go out and fly these ships. Even more so now they're out on Tranq.
I look forward to what some entities will do with these ships on a larger scale. Where I have not used these ships in more than a 2-30 pilot fleet versus a 2- 30 pilot fleet.
Most are able to use their small signature to tank. That Talos is the most capable of this close range (dual propulsion). However, that's not very effective against close range turrets (medium or large).
They definitely can be volleyed. A fleet of armour-Oracles (pulse) cannot win against a fleet of Abaddons (pulse) close range, but they can against Harbingers and Drakes.
Why Drakes would engage close range is another matter. As I've already said. The shield-pulse Oracle outclasses every other battle-cruisers except a Drake in more mobile fleets.
The solo list stands as is as I'm soloing with 3 of those ships...
-proxyyyy |
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2011.12.01 03:38:00 -
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It's not soloing if you bring more than one ship.
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Sinead O'Toole
POKER TAX CHEATING POKER TAX EVASION
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 04:58:00 -
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[Oracle, wheeeeeeeee] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
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Salvia Olima
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
7
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Posted - 2011.12.01 11:33:00 -
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Sinead O'Toole wrote:[Oracle, wheeeeeeeee]
This. Don't tank what didn't meant to be tanked by design.
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