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Hrothgar Hraldirsson
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:37:00 -
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Hi all
having seen friends playing Eve I have decided to give it joinin the fun - however unlike some of my more pacifist friends I plan on making my career in piracy - at least in part. Basic operating concept is that anything in a belt is fair game - npc, unattended can, miner, whatever. Only 2 days into my career - no PvP yet, mostly recon and skill learning. Killed some rats for cash, stolen some ore and cans. I know to many this puts me into the lowlife category but I don't really care, this is about profit.
I do have a few questions for the more experience members of the criminal community, especially about ship choices. My characeter is Minmatar and a friend has agreed to loan me start up ISK - up to 5million. By the end of the week I can have either detroyer or cruiser skill and some basic combat skills. Should I go with destroyer or cruiser to begin my pirate career?
My plan for the weekend is to operate in a couple of local systems,.8 down to .6 where i have seen covetors operating on each of the last two evenings. There are also newbies like myself ratting. Going from belt to belt, if there are rats kill them, or if I can provoke a fight with a barge or newbie frigate via can theft.
Which will work better for this thrasher or stabber ?
I was thinking of the Thrasher - fairly expendable. Fit with 6 autocannon and 2 nos. Scrambler, afterburner and something to help the capacitor, small plate and small rapairer.
Alternatively the stabber would be a bit tougher, but les expendable. 2 medium sized autocannon 2 samll autocannon, 2 nos. other slots the same but with an extra low to play with. Would this scare off the miners when I warp into belt and steal their can ?
What do my more experienced colleagues advise ?
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Lucil Nice
Gallente
The Black Death
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:06:00 -
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If you want play the reflagging Game, Use T1 Frig^^.
If you are in Destroyer or Cruiser, chance are lower that someono will attack you.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:15:00 -
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Dessie or Cruiser? Neither.
As a minmatar you have the most fantastic low-sp ship in the game readily available: Rifter!
Seriously, the rifter is simply amazing for piracy, and can take on stuff that would wtfbbq a low-sp pilot in Dessies and Cruisers.
Suggested setup:
3 x 150mm Autocannons
1 x Rocketlauncher
Afterburner
7,5km Warpscrambler
Small Capacitator Booster
Small Armor Repairer
200mm Armor Plate
Damage Control
Train skills for this kit, and spec in it. I flew rifters for the first 4 months of my pirate life, with about 150 kills to 25 losses. And when you lose one, who cares? It costs you less than 500k fully kitted!
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Hrothgar Hraldirsson
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:55:00 -
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Thanks for the advice - I had discounted the frigates for serious piracy, as they looked a bit fragile.
The most tempting targets for me are the covetors I see mining my local systems. Mostly flown by players 3-6 months old. From that I would guess they are dedicated high sec miners.
Is a 4 month old player in a covetor likely to have much in the way of combat ability ? I know the covetor has none apart from its drones. How long can a rifter handle the drones from a covetor - if I do bait one into a fight do I just charge in, orbit, kill it and loot or is it worth trying to bully one into a ransom ?
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:01:00 -
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A good way to tell is the type of drones and the amount.
A guy with T2 drones or 5 drones will have trained drones 5 and chances are thet he also has the advanced drone skills that make the drones much more effective.
If it 5 mining drones however, your in luck !
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Demonique
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:02:00 -
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I never ransom a ship........ ransom pods ... if you can lock it down.
Not sure how this wworks in high sec.. its possible that concord might wtfbbq you for popping a pod..... can sum1 confirm this?.. as i only really operate in low sec
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Mazare Mircea
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Na'Thuul
Dessie or Cruiser? Neither.
As a minmatar you have the most fantastic low-sp ship in the game readily available: Rifter!
Seriously, the rifter is simply amazing for piracy, and can take on stuff that would wtfbbq a low-sp pilot in Dessies and Cruisers.
Suggested setup:
3 x 150mm Autocannons
1 x Rocketlauncher
Afterburner
7,5km Warpscrambler
Small Capacitator Booster
Small Armor Repairer
200mm Armor Plate
Damage Control
Train skills for this kit, and spec in it. I flew rifters for the first 4 months of my pirate life, with about 150 kills to 25 losses. And when you lose one, who cares? It costs you less than 500k fully kitted!
I have ... first hand experience with this setup when Na'Thuul attacked me in my 5th day in the game in Onne. I was in a badly fitted Celestis and was wondering why i simply couldn't drop his armor. :)
Later i tried this exact setup ratting in 0.2 against Serpentis rats and it is simply amazing.
Btw, also do the Navigation skills. Navigation 4 and Acceleration Control 3 are ... divine on this setup.
Use thermal damage rockets and EMP S ammo on the guns. Best to use 150 cap batteries and carry some 6 with you.
Don't even think of replacing the Damage Control 1 with an Energized Adaptive NanoMembrane I.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:03:00 -
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I second the rifter idea. If there was a ship I'd use for low sp piracy, the rifter is it. As a frigate your biggest risk will be drones, so as long as you take them out first you're peachy. Barges can drop strip miners worth a couple of mil but if you can get a ransom out of them, then that's usually more profitable.
Smaller ships are often better for piracy than larger ones. Smaller ships can tuck in close and get under your enemies guns to avoid being hit. They're also faster and more able to catch and scramble prey before it runs.
Get yourself a rifter with small autocannons, scrambler, afterburner/microwarpdrive and a bit of a tank and give 'em hell.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:05:00 -
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Long time no see 
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:08:00 -
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What about gallente frigs,
Which would be the best one of those to use ?
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Setana Manoro
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hrothgar Hraldirsson
Thanks for the advice - I had discounted the frigates for serious piracy, as they looked a bit fragile.
The most tempting targets for me are the covetors I see mining my local systems. Mostly flown by players 3-6 months old. From that I would guess they are dedicated high sec miners.
Is a 4 month old player in a covetor likely to have much in the way of combat ability ? I know the covetor has none apart from its drones. How long can a rifter handle the drones from a covetor - if I do bait one into a fight do I just charge in, orbit, kill it and loot or is it worth trying to bully one into a ransom ?
The rifter setup posted by Na'Thuul is very good. As for the light drones ... they are kind of a problem as you're guns - even 150mm ac's, can't track fast enough to hit them. You need to webb them. For this, drop the cap injector as it will do you no good, orbit the barge, webb and kill the drones one at a time. In this case if you can target more than 2 targets at once you have a huge advantage. Keep the barge scrambled and shoot the drones. You can probably drop 1-2 drones before they chew through the plate. Then warp, repair and come back for the last ones.
You may lose 1-2 ships in the process, so i would keep a back-up Rifter ... :)
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
For this, drop the cap injector as it will do you no good, orbit the barge, webb and kill the drones one at a time.
Do that and you die. The capinjector along with damage control is the heart and soul of this setup. Rockets and 150mm ACs can pop light drones very effectively even unwebbed, and the capinjector lets you run your repper long enough to kill the pesky little things.
No help if you have to warp out after killing two drones... Then the target will be gone by the time you get back 
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Setana Manoro
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 21/09/2006 12:24:33
Originally by: Bill Shankly
What about gallente frigs,
Which would be the best one of those to use ?
I use the Incursus. It has a very good DPS and is pretty straight-forward.
3x Anode Light Ion Blasters - antimatter ammo
Webbifier, Scrambler, AB - i use Hydrazine or Cold-Gas
small repper, nanofiber or damage control 1
I generally used a nanofiber mod, though i did use the dam control 1 in a duel against a Merlin. :)
It is paper-thin and you rely on maneuverability, but with my skills - Navigation 4 Afterburner 4 and Acc Control 2, i get almost 900m/s sustainable.
Compared with the Rifter setup posted setup ... you have a higher dps, but a smaller range - and a very bad tank. You need to get within 2000m of the target, while the rifter can hit you pretty badly at 4000m.
If you can get very close to the Rifter, you might win - even the light drone will help, but if you can't ... you're toast.
PS: I have some 25 kills with 2 losses on the Incursus so far. 3 cruisers and 5 destroyers while the rest are frigs.
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Setana Manoro
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:22:00 -
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Rockets, yes ... AC's, i doubt. 150mm ac's have the same tracking as that of light blasters. I couldn't land a hit on one when i faced a barge with 5 tech 2 hobgoblins.
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Hrothgar Hraldirsson
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:23:00 -
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How is a covetor or other barge likely to be tanked - armour or shield ?
Why EMP rounds in particular for the autocannons?
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:24:00 -
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well, if you end up fighting 5 t2 lights, you are toast either way in a frig.
And btw, light blasters are the best tracking guns in the game...
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Lucil Nice
Gallente
The Black Death
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Shankly
What about gallente frigs,
Which would be the best one of those to use ?
Tristan
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Setana Manoro
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:47:00 -
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Yes ... 150mm ac's have 0.35, while light blasters have 0.365, but the Rifter gets a very nice 7.5% bonus to tracking while the Incursus doesn't. So between the 2, ac's on Rifter will always track better than blasters on Incursus. :)
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Teirna
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Posted - 2006.09.21 14:22:00 -
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Nice info here.
Question:
Why 3 x 150mm Autocannons and not any 200mm guns?
Is it a matter of power/cpu usage?
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.21 14:23:00 -
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i would say power cpu maybe but the main reason i would have thought would be due to them tracking better.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Na''Thuul on 21/09/2006 14:30:18
Given the smaller ammo capacity on 200mm ACs (even after the boost) the extra damage per second is so neglible it's not worth the extra fitting requirements.
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Fanchon
Caldari
Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:02:00 -
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Hmmm, think I'll have to try out that setup tonight (with t2 guns ofc) 
My current:
3x150mm II
1xnamed rocket
Scram, web, ABII
Cap power relay, small repper II, 200mm rolled tungsten plate
It's served me quite well so far, most cruisers can't even touch me. But my setups are always a 'work in progress'.
I now leave you to your... MOOSEY FATE!! |
Na'Thuul
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Fanchon
Hmmm, think I'll have to try out that setup tonight (with t2 guns ofc)
My current:
3x150mm II
1xnamed rocket
Scram, web, ABII
Cap power relay, small repper II, 200mm rolled tungsten plate
It's served me quite well so far, most cruisers can't even touch me. But my setups are always a 'work in progress'.
Let me know how you like it
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Hrothgar Hraldirsson
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Posted - 2006.09.22 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Thuul
Suggested setup:
3 x 150mm Autocannons
1 x Rocketlauncher
Afterburner
7,5km Warpscrambler
Small Capacitator Booster
Small Armor Repairer
200mm Armor Plate
Damage Control
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What would be the effect of swapping the cap booster for a recharger ? The charges for the booster take up cargo space and the rifter is a bit short on that.
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vile56
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Posted - 2006.09.22 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Demonique
I never ransom a ship........ ransom pods ... if you can lock it down.
Not sure how this wworks in high sec.. its possible that concord might wtfbbq you for popping a pod..... can sum1 confirm this?.. as i only really operate in low sec
just cause noone answered you.
only way to legaly agro a pod in .5-1.0, is a war target or below -5.
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Demonique
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.22 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: vile56
Originally by: Demonique
I never ransom a ship........ ransom pods ... if you can lock it down.
Not sure how this wworks in high sec.. its possible that concord might wtfbbq you for popping a pod..... can sum1 confirm this?.. as i only really operate in low sec
just cause noone answered you.
only way to legaly agro a pod in .5-1.0, is a war target or below -5.
Awwwwwww.... thankyou vile.... i was getting really upset and about to cry.... and then you come and save me 
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