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Hedron Klentin
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:07:00 -
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Yes i am venting, i just lost a ship to a guy cause he convoed me as i was trying to get away, i was about to warp out but as i went to hit the autopilot button (i already had a dest set) this convo request pops up from the guy who is trying to get into scram range (he was using a 7500m scram), i petition it as an exploit of the game mechanics (any action which gives you an unfair advantage over another player) and get told that it's not an exploit, what a load of rubbish, lame lame tactics..
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Xtreem
Gallente
Anti Pirate Confederate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:11:00 -
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the auto pilot button is still clickable with the window up afaik, and not over the area where the auto pilot is...
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Deja Thoris
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:12:00 -
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i think you need to reread the definition of an exploit.
Properly this time.
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Hedron Klentin
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:13:00 -
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Well something was messing up, i couldn't click the AP button.
/me beats up his mouse then thinks that's what may be breaking it 
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Andro'mida
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:14:00 -
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even if its not an exploit its still a damn lame tactic, are people so desperate for a killmail that they will resort to this kind of crap
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:15:00 -
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Actually, convospamming is harassment and convo/invitation to prevent people from warping is exploit. Exploit is using game mechanics to get advantage where they aren't meant to give advantage. Convos are meant to chat with people, not prevent them from warping off.
Difficult thing for Gms is to see if it was intentional or not, though. Ask for it to be elevated to a senior GM.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:16:00 -
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Some guesses: I doubt the convo had anything to do with you getting popped. That happened because you didn't notice someone with a -9.9 and a multi-million bounty showing up in local. Also, you (most likely) didn't hit that Oh Shet! button quick enough when they came into your space. ALSO, you likely closed that convo or said something nasty instead of saying the magic words: I'll pay.
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Hedron Klentin
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:18:00 -
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ex‧ploit1 /ˈɛksplɔɪt, ɪkˈsplɔɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ek-sploit, ik-sploit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
ûnoun a striking or notable deed; feat; spirited or heroic act: the exploits of Alexander the Great.
[Origin: 1350û1400; ME exploit, espleit < OF exploit, AF espleit < L explicitum, neut. of explicitus (ptp.). See explicit]
ùSynonyms accomplishment. See achievement.
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ex‧ploit2 /ɪkˈsplɔɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ik-sploit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
ûverb (used with object) 1. to utilize, esp. for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.
2. to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.
3. to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.
[Origin: 1375û1425; < F exploiter, deriv. of exploit (n.); r. late ME expleiten to achieve < AF espleiter, deriv. of espleit (n.). See exploit1]
ùRelated forms
ex‧ploit‧a‧ble, adjective
ex‧ploit‧a‧bil‧i‧ty, noun
ex‧ploit‧a‧tive, ex‧ploit‧a‧to‧ry /ɪkˈsplɔɪtəˌtɔri, -ˌtoʊri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ik-sploi-tuh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, ex‧ploit‧ive, adjective
ex‧ploit‧er, noun
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source ex+ploit (ksploit, k-sploit) Pronunciation Key
n.
An act or deed, especially a brilliant or heroic one. See Synonyms at feat1.
tr.v. ex+ploit+ed, ex+ploit+ing, ex+ploits (k-sploit, ksploit)
To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.
To advertise; promote.
[Middle English, from Old French esploit, from Latin explicitum, neuter past participle of explicre, to unfold. See explicate.]
ex+ploita+bili+ty n.
ex+ploita+ble adj.
ex+ploita+tive or ex+ploitive adj.
ex+ploita+tive+ly or ex+ploitive+ly adv.
ex+ploiter n.
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exploit
n : a notable achievement; "he performed a great deed"; "the book was her finest effort" [syn: deed, feat, effort] v 1: use or manipulate to one's advantage; "He exploit the new taxation system"; "She knows how to work the system"; "he works his parents for sympathy" [syn: work] 2: draw from; make good use of; "we must exploit the resources we are given wisely" [syn: tap] 3: work excessively hard; "he is exploiting the students" [syn: overwork]
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Free On-line Dictionary of Computing - Cite This Source
exploit
<security> A security hole or an instance of taking advantage
of a security hole.
"[...] hackers say exploit. sysadmins say hole"
-- Mike Emke (http://emke.com/).
Emke reports that the stress is on the second syllable. If
this is true, this may be a case of hackerly zero-deriving
verbs (especially instantials) from nouns, akin to "write" as
a noun to describe an instance of a disk drive writing to a
disk.
The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, ¬ 1993-2005 Denis Howe
n. [originally *****er slang] 1. A vulnerability in
software that can be used for breaking sesecurity or otherwise
attacking an Internet host over the network. The Ping O' Death is
a famous exploit. 2. More grammatically, a program that exploits an
exploit in sense 1,
What did i say? close enough i think...
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Hedron Klentin
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:19:00 -
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 Originally by: MrTripps
Some guesses: I doubt the convo had anything to do with you getting popped. That happened because you didn't notice someone with a -9.9 and a multi-million bounty showing up in local. Also, you (most likely) didn't hit that Oh Shet! button quick enough when they came into your space. ALSO, you likely closed that convo or said something nasty instead of saying the magic words: I'll pay.
He had a +0.7 sec rating and no bounty, never assume it's the mother of all f'ups
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Skawl
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:25:00 -
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While I'm agains the repeated spamming of group/convo requests as a tactic to prevent people being able to fight/flee, it sounds like this guy was just opening convo to ransom you.
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lofty29
Gallente
Praxiteles Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:26:00 -
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My guess is he was gonna ransom. Hard luck, buuhuu.
Also, by your definition of exploits, Gate Sniping and Insta-Bookmarks are exploits, and hell, may as well add having more SP to the list, and blobbing, owning 0.0 space, having more ships...the list goes on.
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Hedron Klentin
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:26:00 -
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It's called local chat....
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Hedron Klentin
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
My guess is he was gonna ransom. Hard luck, buuhuu.
Also, by your definition of exploits, Gate Sniping and Insta-Bookmarks are exploits, and hell, may as well add having more SP to the list, and blobbing, owning 0.0 space, having more ships...the list goes on.
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Err appears you can't read sir, those are all NORMAL expected outcomes of game play, (besides instas)
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
My guess is he was gonna ransom. Hard luck, buuhuu.
Also, by your definition of exploits, Gate Sniping and Insta-Bookmarks are exploits, and hell, may as well add having more SP to the list, and blobbing, owning 0.0 space, having more ships...the list goes on.
all you have to do is look at this troll and consider the source of the posted opinion, it is easy from there to disgard it as smacktard trolling.
You can't expect a known grief causing tard to understand that somethings are not allowed and 'bad' to do.
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Maximillion Carter
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:45:00 -
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That's why I usually set mine to auto-reject convo requests!
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Hedron Klentin
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillion Carter
That's why I usually set mine to auto-reject convo requests!
Now there is one smart man 
/me does the same...
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Lister Black
Caldari
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:33:00 -
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I know it's no comfort, and I agree with you that using that tactic is lame (although it might've just bad timing), but in the future, if you have something like that happen, the keyboard shortcut for autopilot is "ctrl + up arrow". That will work in almost any case (even when you have a window that is not allowing you to click anything).
Sorry about your loss, man.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hedron Klentin
<dictionary definition of Exploit>
That's nice. Not relevant.
This is:
CCP's definition of an exploit is to do something which has been called an exploit by a Dev or s GM. Doing so is banable.
There's also the BUG that windows steal exclusive focus and default to yes. But this does sound like harrassment, frankly. Using the winow to cover his approach.
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Laythun
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
Originally by: lofty29
My guess is he was gonna ransom. Hard luck, buuhuu.
Also, by your definition of exploits, Gate Sniping and Insta-Bookmarks are exploits, and hell, may as well add having more SP to the list, and blobbing, owning 0.0 space, having more ships...the list goes on.
all you have to do is look at this troll and consider the source of the posted opinion, it is easy from there to disgard it as smacktard trolling.
You can't expect a known grief causing tard to understand that somethings are not allowed and 'bad' to do.
Dude
STFU.
Personal attacks just because HES TELLING THE TRUTH are uncalled for, so hush.
To the OP, pirates convo you to ransom, they/we dont usse local cos then it lets EVERY in the system know your a pirate.
In anycase u still could have manually warped, it doesnt appear that he sent multiple convo's so it was no exploit.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:46:00 -
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And it's no coincidebce that when certain corps are arround I set auto-reject on either.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
To the OP, pirates convo you to ransom, they/we dont usse local cos then it lets EVERY in the system know your a pirate.
Why would any pirate be so stupid as to send a ransom request before he's got the target locked down?
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.21 17:15:00 -
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You can't click anything when convo'd, might fall under exploit/harassment.
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Cache Clearer
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Sharan Order
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Posted - 2006.09.21 18:12:00 -
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I think we are missing some pieces here.
So far we have OP tries to warp away, gets chat request, then petitions as exploit, finally petition is denied. What we are missing is what happened with the convo? Was the OP blown up right away or was there a ransom attempt? Did the OP simply refuse the convo request? What was the power difference (ie: was this cruiser vs. BS/HAC)?
There are just too many combinations of situations possible to really say whether this really was an tactic or a coincidence for sure. Without any of this information all we are doing is guessing on motives and reasons.
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.21 18:15:00 -
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You know, exploit or innocent, the solution is to fix the popup window so that it doesn't lock out other controls.
It's entirely too stupid to be allowed to stay this way.
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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.21 18:33:00 -
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We've been asking for a ransom interface...FOR HOW LONG EXACTLY?
But we are getting pretty ships, so all is good, isn't it 
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.21 20:02:00 -
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its pretty much been said, but yea, auto reject is an option. but then pirates cant ransom you, which means you might miss out on chances to save your ship in bad situations.
Pirates dont want to use local, cause it can alert others in the system to your plight, and bring help to your aid before he can get the ransom/get the kill.
From the sound of it he was just trying to ransom you. the exploit version is different, and usually involves more than 1 person, as 1 does the exploit, and the other does the lame killing.
I hope thats vague enough...
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tyrol
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.21 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: tyrol on 21/09/2006 20:24:22
yeh i remember having this happen to one of our scouts only a few weeks ago, he was invited to gang after jumping into a hostile group but its wasnt just one invite, nearly the whole hostile gang spammed him. lucky he got away, but to me its cheating, and it bewilders me how GMs turn a blind eye to it.
its nice to think that "he was just trying to ransom you" but its a known way of stopping someone in their track and lame people use it
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Dannek
Llama F5 and Associates
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Posted - 2006.09.21 20:25:00 -
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Modal Windows are the suck.
They're uncalled for in nearly every instance where they're used.
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DropZone 187
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Posted - 2006.09.21 20:51:00 -
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Mission runner who get ganked because of forgetting XYZ item (in this case auto reject) then goes and files a peition for ship lose. No doubt under the harassment section. Another reason for the queue being so long.
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ching'sta
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.21 21:18:00 -
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Well the more you post aboute it the more people will do it. Just like any other "exploit" when its posted on the board everyone and his mother starts doing it.
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