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HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:42:00 - [1] EVE is a cycle anyone that been around knows this... it goes caldari nerf nerf.. ok they nerfed...o o tempy snipe damage nerf nerf... rabble OMG wat now.. stick to your happy place and fucus dont follow bandwagon for f*ct sake .... OMG NuetronBlaster unstopable in range.. blah EVE like everything is a cycle ..best advice stick with wat you enjoy.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:43:00 - [2] Not really, but you go girl! <Kurenin> Oh hello Christopher Exploitisanti!
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Not really, but you go girl! :) all i heard was blah blah blah..imma dirty tramp
Cave Canon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Not really, but you go girl! Yet another constructive thread!
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:45:00 - [5] Caldari have not been nerfed in the last 2 years Missile changes where a boost to anyone but the blind. hehe but that aside I do see your point, Im Amarr specialised and in the good old days Armageddon was awsome. Now Amarr aint so great... (understatement) On the other hand, Minmatar did suck ! Now they dont Same with blastathrons etc etc etc etc Agreed, Eve cycles.. BUT I believe many of the changes do come around or are at least influenced by thoughts and feelings of the Eve community. So I dont think we should say "no more balance threads" as such. Just realise that tommorow you could be back on top Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:45:00 - [6] there is no need to worry, when u hit 40mil sp you will be able to use ALL large t2 turrets and all the ships of the 3 gun races [bar capital ships which are tbh a wast of time for most ppl] multispec char ftw
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:46:00 - [7] Originally by: xlop there is no need to worry, when u hit 40mil sp you will be able to use ALL large t2 turrets and all the ships of the 3 gun races [bar capital ships which are tbh a wast of time for most ppl] multispec char ftw xlop... :) you should KNOW how my sp is if your XLOP or his son :) xloppy ftw
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:52:00 - [8] Originally by: HellsRazorRevised In EVE, balance is sought by peridiocally revising each race's ships. This means each race gets their turn in nerfing, and while some can be overpowered at times, in the larger picture balance is kept. Therefore, don't base your character on the flavour of the month, but rather make your decision based on other factors. There you go. Sounded a lot more constructive, didn't it? ---
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Caldari have not been nerfed in the last 2 years Missile changes where a boost to anyone but the blind. hehe but that aside I do see your point, Im Amarr specialised and in the good old days Armageddon was awsome. Now Amarr aint so great... (understatement) On the other hand, Minmatar did suck ! Now they dont Same with blastathrons etc etc etc etc Agreed, Eve cycles.. BUT I believe many of the changes do come around or are at least influenced by thoughts and feelings of the Eve community. So I dont think we should say "no more balance threads" as such. Just realise that tommorow you could be back on top Alliaanna umm yeah ew missiles have been nerfed in last 2 years :) those in the day of caracal and kessies and ew that was garrenteed and cycled know this :)_
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: HellsRazorRevised In EVE, balance is sought by peridiocally revising each race's ships. This means each race gets their turn in nerfing, and while some can be overpowered at times, in the larger picture balance is kept. Therefore, don't base your character on the flavour of the month, but rather make your decision based on other factors. There you go. Sounded a lot more constructive, didn't it? woot i have a translater.. i speak drunk. ;p

Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: HellsRazorRevised In EVE, balance is sought by peridiocally revising each race's ships. This means each race gets their turn in nerfing, and while some can be overpowered at times, in the larger picture balance is kept. Therefore, don't base your character on the flavour of the month, but rather make your decision based on other factors. There you go. Sounded a lot more constructive, didn't it? It most certainly did. Now if he had posted that we could have had a discussion about the pro and cons of his argument. <Kurenin> Oh hello Christopher Exploitisanti!
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: HellsRazorRevised In EVE, balance is sought by peridiocally revising each race's ships. This means each race gets their turn in nerfing, and while some can be overpowered at times, in the larger picture balance is kept. Therefore, don't base your character on the flavour of the month, but rather make your decision based on other factors. There you go. Sounded a lot more constructive, didn't it? It most certainly did. Now if he had posted that we could have had a discussion about the pro and cons of his argument. well i guess it takes sumone like him world wide to get the basic understanding.
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:58:00 - [13] translated... kill pod yourself
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:00:00 - [14] you could also say for example: In EVE, balance is sought by peridiocally revising each race's ships. This means each race gets their turn in nerfing, and while some can be overpowered at times, in the larger picture balance is kept. Therefore, don't specialise in any one area but competent in all races in Eve and choose to fly the most over powered ship at the time and you will be just fine. Basically stop whining and get on with it. <Kurenin> Oh hello Christopher Exploitisanti!
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:00:00 - [15] Originally by: HellsRazor Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Caldari have not been nerfed in the last 2 years Missile changes where a boost to anyone but the blind. hehe but that aside I do see your point, Im Amarr specialised and in the good old days Armageddon was awsome. Now Amarr aint so great... (understatement) On the other hand, Minmatar did suck ! Now they dont Same with blastathrons etc etc etc etc Agreed, Eve cycles.. BUT I believe many of the changes do come around or are at least influenced by thoughts and feelings of the Eve community. So I dont think we should say "no more balance threads" as such. Just realise that tommorow you could be back on top Alliaanna umm yeah ew missiles have been nerfed in last 2 years :) those in the day of caracal and kessies and ew that was garrenteed and cycled know this :)_ What are EW missiles ? Caracals/kessies ability to fit cruise was nerfed before 2 years ago. Old system EW was better than current one tbh, but to say it was nerfed was wrong. its overpowered now, I have no problem with a Scorp permajamming me, I DO have a problem with a frigate getting a jam on my HaC with 1 multispec. And missile changes where a boost, more dps. The fact that you could no longer 1 salvo support ships is a non point as it should never have been allowed to be that way in the first place. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:03:00 - [16] sorry i meant EW, <comma missiles. i liked ew back in the day :) anyways missiles use to do same damage on frigs..cruise bs ships no matter wat. now support skills required . am i wrong? watever ..1 vs 1?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:06:00 - [17] Originally by: HellsRazor EVE is a cycle anyone that been around knows this... it goes caldari nerf nerf.. ok they nerfed...o o tempy snipe damage nerf nerf... rabble OMG wat now.. stick to your happy place and fucus dont follow bandwagon for f*ct sake .... OMG NuetronBlaster unstopable in range.. blah EVE like everything is a cycle ..best advice stick with wat you enjoy. Maybe the nerfing is DONE because people see the unbalance and whine about it? Without whine, Tux would think everything is fine. Whine is needed. Whine is good. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HellsRazor EVE is a cycle anyone that been around knows this... it goes caldari nerf nerf.. ok they nerfed...o o tempy snipe damage nerf nerf... rabble OMG wat now.. stick to your happy place and fucus dont follow bandwagon for f*ct sake .... OMG NuetronBlaster unstopable in range.. blah EVE like everything is a cycle ..best advice stick with wat you enjoy. Maybe the nerfing is DONE because people see the unbalance and whine about it? Without whine, Tux would think everything is fine. Whine is needed. Whine is good. :) ok t2 fittied ew domi and t2 nuetron mega unstoppable 1 vs 1 NERF NERF OMG
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Grez on 22/09/2006 12:08:03 Hellzy <3 It's not always nerf nerf, sometimes it's boost boost. Poor Amarr... --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:09:00 - [20] T2 nuetronblast close range unstoppable with skills no ew ... enjoy because ccp will see it and there nerf will happen :)

Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:09:00 - [21] Originally by: HellsRazor sorry i meant EW, <comma missiles. i liked ew back in the day :) anyways missiles use to do same damage on frigs..cruise bs ships no matter wat. now support skills required . am i wrong? watever ..1 vs 1? yes but 1 salvo'ing support ships was wrong lol, If you want that bring back splash damage and watch mission runners cry And are you asking me for a 1 on 1 ? I accept, Where and when You will be fighting the CEO of my corp, as urr I can only fly haulers... Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Originally by: HellsRazor sorry i meant EW, <comma missiles. i liked ew back in the day :) anyways missiles use to do same damage on frigs..cruise bs ships no matter wat. now support skills required . am i wrong? watever ..1 vs 1? yes but 1 salvo'ing support ships was wrong lol, If you want that bring back splash damage and watch mission runners cry And are you asking me for a 1 on 1 ? I accept, Where and when You will be fighting the CEO of my corp, as urr I can only fly haulers... Alliaanna wasnt challange'n you but im game :) i enjoy good 1 vs 1 :)
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:13:00 - [23] Originally by: HellsRazor Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Originally by: HellsRazor sorry i meant EW, <comma missiles. i liked ew back in the day :) anyways missiles use to do same damage on frigs..cruise bs ships no matter wat. now support skills required . am i wrong? watever ..1 vs 1? yes but 1 salvo'ing support ships was wrong lol, If you want that bring back splash damage and watch mission runners cry And are you asking me for a 1 on 1 ? I accept, Where and when You will be fighting the CEO of my corp, as urr I can only fly haulers... Alliaanna wasnt challange'n you but im game :) i enjoy good 1 vs 1 :) lol me too... But I keep dieing . Think im finally realising that no mater how drunk I am Faction bs's are not easy pickings... If your ever in Antem / Genesis area im game for shooty shooty But if your in a Domi im going to cry Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Caldari have not been nerfed in the last 2 years Missile changes where a boost to anyone but the blind. hehe but that aside I do see your point, Im Amarr specialised and in the good old days Armageddon was awsome. Now Amarr aint so great... (understatement) On the other hand, Minmatar did suck ! Now they dont Same with blastathrons etc etc etc etc Agreed, Eve cycles.. BUT I believe many of the changes do come around or are at least influenced by thoughts and feelings of the Eve community. So I dont think we should say "no more balance threads" as such. Just realise that tommorow you could be back on top Alliaanna i like you if you realize im CALDARI :) shooty shooty
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:19:00 - [25] ZOMG YESSS SSS!!1111onetwoone <3
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:26:00 - [26] i hope some ppl realize that this guy says something right aswell tho...ppl complain a lot on this fora and its very often the case that simple rubbish is said here becasue of subjective inconvinience and plain idiocy. thing is this fora are really full with unreasonable opinions and nerf this and that threads. but there is good and helpful stuff in here aswell ofc. so plz forum whiners. if u got an issue u need to talk about....say it geeeently..and smooooth...so ppl wont get annoyed by it every time they read it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again... Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:30:00 - [27] While I agree that whining is needed in areas (EW would make sense getting a nerf), I think theres far too many people out there who want everything, all at once. If every race was 100% balanced in each ship category, Eve would be boring. So the Caracal can out damage most other cruisers, and at good range... who cares. Every race has ships that are "omgwtfpwn" in a specific ship class. I've spent 10m SP training solely Caldari. Plenty of missile skills, but have realised that for fleet, Ravens suck. So what. My harpy can snipe any other T1 cruise/AF/Frigate in the face from 100km+, and theres nothing they can do about it. My Ferox is awesome for anti-support support, so thats what I use it for. I couldn't care less that it gets beaten 1v1 by a Proph, next time I see him I'll be in my T2 fitted Cruise Raven, and he can say bye-bye. Now I've decided I want to train for HACs/Recon ships, but that I don't like Caldari ones... so rather than investing 20 days training Caldari Cruiser V, then moaning about the Eagle, I'll train for a Vagabond. If every race had a ship in every class that was untouchable, the game would suck ass. CCP designed this so that no matter what race you are born as, you can train whatever you like. If you see another race has a good ship (and I don't mean "overpowered", I mean effective), train for that. Play up to the strengths that your race has, or train another race. Stop whining about things that shouldn't be whined about.
Nir	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:32:00 - [28] People complain for a (valid) reason, CCP have proven again and again in the past that a strong forum lobby = game balance changes in favor of that race. I mean look at Caldari, they're getting an 8 turret BS and even higher Cerberus DPS soon as a result of it. People know that if you peservere long enough, your whines shall be awnsered.
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:38:00 - [29] ok im tired of this ****.. give missile insta damge please and then balance :) thank you


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