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Sentinel Oramara Oramaras Noob Miners Inc 0	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:52:29 - [1] - Quote Hello all of you out there I hope you People wont be to upset if i ask questions that already have been asked. So here goes. Lvl3 Missions are not that hard with my Rattlesnake. i know it may be total overkill, but i really dont care. Back to topic. I have found out that i count way to much on my drones. So my thoughts, why not make a bad habit into something i can use for actually getting somewhete with my Security-Status. Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?" Thanks in advance and fly safe out there. Sentinel
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 534	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:58:33 - [2] - Quote It''s okay, honey! Always ask, what you don't know. Now, I am curious. You are flying a droneboat and ask for a droneboat that that does the same thing. Why don't you just stick with the one you have and give it a go? You can't do wrong with the Rattlesnake. Here is a hint from about eight years of EVE level 4 mission experience, that is no level 4 mission in EVE that the Rattlesnake can not handle. signature
Kiddoomer ScrewWork Inc. 6	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:58:38 - [3] - Quote Sentinel Oramara wrote: Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?" Drone is love, drone is life, all hail the mighty rattlesnake and sentries (or gecko) : [Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake Stable - 1556 DPS - 330 m/s (Kronos)] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Cap Recharger II EM Ward Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Target Painter II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70511-Rattlesnake-Stable-1-556-DPS-330-m-s-Kronos.html
Sentinel Oramara Oramaras Noob Miners Inc 0	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:13:00 - [4] - Quote Elitatwo: aha. The rattlesnake is a drone-boat. Ok. Well i'll stick with that then. Thanks. Kiddoomer: i'll try that fit. I think i have most of the stuff somewhere. Thank you.
Doopi The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.18 18:22:09 - [5] - Quote Im using ishtar for lvl 4 mish with this fit. I don't want a dominix because this "potatoes" is soo ugly right now works well against angels cartel, up to 100km snipe with sentry. Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II medium armor repair II explosif hardener II Cap Recharger II Target Painter II stasis web II 10M afterburner II omnidirectional tracking II + tracking script small remote armor repair II nosferatu II Drone Link Augmentor II empty medium nanobot accelerator I medium auxiliary nano pump I 5x berserker II 5x warrior II 5x bouncer II
Chris Winter Winters Are Coming 595	Posted - 2015.01.18 20:31:09 - [6] - Quote Kiddoomer wrote: Sentinel Oramara wrote: Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?" Drone is love, drone is life, all hail the mighty rattlesnake and sentries (or gecko) : [Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake Stable - 1556 DPS - 330 m/s (Kronos)] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Cap Recharger II EM Ward Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Target Painter II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70511-Rattlesnake-Stable-1-556-DPS-330-m-s-Kronos.html This fit is bad. Cap stability is unnecessary, and without rigors/flares in the rig slots the missiles won't do full damage to some BSes, much less to BCs/cruisers. To the OP: If you're only using drones and not also using missiles, the dominix is technically better than the rattlesnake due to the range/tracking bonus on the drones, but if you're already comfortable with the rattlesnake might as well keep using it.
Sylveria Relden 66	Posted - 2015.01.18 20:37:23 - [7] - Quote I've always heard the Dominix been mentioned as "queen" of the Level 4 Drone Boats, but I've also heard good thinks about the Rattlesnake as well. If you're talking combo weapon systems, Rattler does well (from what I've read/heard) since the Dominix doesn't have any weapon bonuses outside of its drones. But if you're talking about drones alone, either Dominix or Ishtar (lately, anyway but that could be FOTM till Ishtar gets looked at...) Personally I've tried neither, but then again I'd want to make sure I'm completely ready for BS's with supports and T2 guns before I do it. Sure you can probably do it without, but I'd rather be completely prepared. NPC mobs aren't the only thing you need to be concerned with if you're doing missions, after all :)
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 560	Posted - 2015.01.18 20:55:27 - [8] - Quote Sentinel Oramara wrote: Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?" Dominix, Gila, Rattlesnake. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Silvetica Dian Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1106	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:00:39 - [9] - Quote Chris Winter wrote: Kiddoomer wrote: Sentinel Oramara wrote: Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?" Drone is love, drone is life, all hail the mighty rattlesnake and sentries (or gecko) : [Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake Stable - 1556 DPS - 330 m/s (Kronos)] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Cap Recharger II EM Ward Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Target Painter II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70511-Rattlesnake-Stable-1-556-DPS-330-m-s-Kronos.html This fit is bad. Cap stability is unnecessary, and without rigors/flares in the rig slots the missiles won't do full damage to some BSes, much less to BCs/cruisers. To the OP: If you're only using drones and not also using missiles, the dominix is technically better than the rattlesnake due to the range/tracking bonus on the drones, but if you're already comfortable with the rattlesnake might as well keep using it. confirming the fit is bad. lose all the cap mods/rigs. you need a drone tracking mod in the mids in place of the cap recharger. rigs should be rigors/flares for dps or maybe 1/2 shield ehp rigs to make ganking more expensive depending on preference. the RS is massively overtanked anyway for 4's. no need for all that cap. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Quattras Peione Gentlemen of Fortune. 47	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:11:39 - [10] - Quote The strength of the Rattlesnake is having missiles in addition to the potential drone damage output of the Domi. It's a fantastic boat, but to really take advantage of it you need the missile skills to back it up.

Sylveria Relden 68	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:14:07 - [11] - Quote Quattras Peione wrote: The strength of the Rattlesnake is having missiles in addition to the potential drone damage output of the Domi. It's a fantastic boat, but to really take advantage of it you need the missile skills to back it up. Thanks :) I've actually been really interested in trying one at some point- because the Dominix is a butt-ugly potato. (pardon the vulgarity- oh I know, your "virgin" ears) Good feedback as far as builds, too. :)
erg cz Tribal Core Defiant Legacy 129	Posted - 2015.01.20 11:59:44 - [12] - Quote Sylveria Relden wrote: because the Dominix is a butt-ugly potato. This ugly potato can do over 600 DPS from over 160km (warden II optimal range is 162 km) with176 km targeting range (same drone control range) and you do not need to wait, till your misssles fly that far. With Garde II it makes almost 750 DPS with 65 optimal (100 km is still under Garde II falloff). I do not know what drone control range do you usually have in your ishtar or rattlesnake, but I seriosly doubt you can beat this in what regarding drones or price. [Dominix, 176 km] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer Damage Control II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II Large Micro Jump Drive Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Small Tractor Beam I Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Drone Scope Chip II Large Ionic Field Projector II Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Gecko
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 1227	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:13:33 - [13] - Quote Don't forget the 'Geddon. It lacks the Domi's range bonus so it can't snipe as well with sentries, but it is a very flexible drone platform. My Many Misadventures Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I seek to create content, not become content.
Jewsus Gomez New Onus Corp 1	Posted - 2015.02.07 23:44:04 - [14] - Quote Lots of gallente guys use the dominix, but I prefer cruisers. Specifically I have ishtar trained up but I have been working on a proteus since it's a 'little' better for how I want to use it. My ishtar build: My shiney active fit ishtar. . Tanks 500 dps active with around 700 dps with drones and is cap stable. Admittedly I had to swap out a drone damage amp for a second power diag on my rig because of small overall cap reserve means it gets less than cap stable without the extra boost. snipe with your wardens until your enemies within 45k, then use gardes until 20k, then pull out the geckos/ogres. Works pretty well and I've not had any hairy tier 4 moments since. [Ishtar, active shield speed tank] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II OR swap Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge M (for aggro) [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Gecko x2Federation Navy Ogre x1, Warden II x5, Garde II x5 I also found a way to fit a pithx large booster and a higher cap pool here. I never actually ran with this set-up but it should be tight according to the fitting tool on my phone. The pith x booster costs 100m isk less than the Gith x, but the Gist x is way better because it cycles faster. [Ishtar, pithx ishtar] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Large Capacitor Battery II Republic Fleet EM Ward Amplifier Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II Gecko x2Federation Navy Ogre x1, Warden II x5, Garde II x5
Kar'saran JMC Mining Company 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 09:24:33 - [15] - Quote The Ishtar Fits I have seen all are shield tanked i run mine armour tanked.. am i doing this wrong? Either way im very happy with my fit and find i can chew through lvl4's in no time. low x2 Imp Navy Drone Dmg Amps x2 Dark Blood med armour reps x1 Fed navy 400mn Reinforced steel plate (or Dark blood energised adaptive Nano Membrane - Im still playing around with this. To resists or buffer?) Med x2 T2 large capacitor batteries x1 T2 Cap Recharger x1 Fed Navy Omni tracking link x1 Dominion 10mn afterburner High x3 Salvagers (will be T2 when skilled) x1 'Scout accelerator cannon (for aggro) Mods T2 Nanobot accelerator T2 Auxiliary nano pump Drones x10 'Augmented' Ogres x9 'Augmented' hammerheads x7 'Augmented' Hobgoblins 11min cap with all but salvager running but usually only need to pulse the second rep so cap is not an issue. 1043 rep in 6.8 seconds with both running. 8,453EHP. 790dps with 5 ogres, switching out drones depending on target size. Its a fun one to fly, I enjoy it. Constructive criticism is welcome though....
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:17:01 - [16] - Quote Jewsus Gomez wrote: My ishtar build: My shiney active fit ishtar. . Tanks 500 dps active with around 700 dps with drones and is cap stable. Admittedly I had to swap out a drone damage amp for a second power diag on my rig because of small overall cap reserve means it gets less than cap stable without the extra boost. snipe with your wardens until your enemies within 45k, then use gardes until 20k, then pull out the geckos/ogres. Works pretty well and I've not had any hairy tier 4 moments since. [Ishtar, active shield speed tank] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II OR swap Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge M (for aggro) [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Gecko x2Federation Navy Ogre x1, Warden II x5, Garde II x5 I guess you should improve your fitting skills. I can easily swap the Nano for a 4th DDA. And a 500dps tank shouldn't be necessary in most options, so you don't need to be cap stable! (you'll never need to be cap stable in level 4 anyway) and can you your meds for other things like Omni-Tracking, etc. I prefer passive Shield Ishtar Fits with 10MN MWD. Burn to Sniperrange, Drop Sentries. Burn to Gate when only a few rats remain for med drones/ Warp out when mission is done. No need to have huge tank and you can more easily blitz missions for more income/standing. Besides this I LOVE THE BIG BANG RATTLE!!! @Kar'saran: If you armor tank it you loose a lot of damage. Why should you, when Ishtars can be flown much better / as well with Shield tank.
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 136	Posted - 2015.02.10 11:07:24 - [17] - Quote Doopi wrote: Im using ishtar for lvl 4 mish with this fit. I don't want a dominix because this "potatoes" is soo ugly right now works well against angels cartel, up to 100km snipe with sentry. Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II medium armor repair II explosif hardener II Cap Recharger II Target Painter II stasis web II 10M afterburner II omnidirectional tracking II + tracking script small remote armor repair II nosferatu II Drone Link Augmentor II empty medium nanobot accelerator I medium auxiliary nano pump I 5x berserker II 5x warrior II 5x bouncer II why are you armor tanking this? EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 977	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:25:58 - [18] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: why are you armor tanking this? I think the bigger question is why has it got a web
Kar'saran JMC Mining Company 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:34:10 - [19] - Quote HoruSeth wrote: [quote=Jewsus Gomez] @Kar'saran: If you armor tank it you loose a lot of damage. Why should you, when Ishtars can be flown much better / as well with Shield tank. Despite the composition of your fitting is not optimised (don't mix buffer and rep e.g.) your Fitting w/o drones costs 600M ISK. My Fitting costs 230M ISK and I do with the same drones (Augmented Ogre) 929dps (i.e. I have no faction DDAs fitted, just T2), even though my Fitting is not build to brawl with Ogres when having stageaggro, but mainly to snipe with Sentries (no drone travel times, no tracking issues, alpha Frigs, etc.) and mainly blitz missions. PS: @Karsaran: if you really fly missions with your above ishtar, I strongly recommend you to stay alerted now or change at least the setup of your drone bay. Just your modules and drones, which all can drop are worth 1B ISK, too much with such low EHP value! They will find you and they will gank you with that fit easily! Ha yea i dont run that on this char... its on an alt. Im not that suicidal... thanks for the help though.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:48:20 - [20] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Lan Wang wrote: why are you armor tanking this? I think the bigger question is why has it got a web Thought exactly the same thing @Kar: Nevertheless they may find your alt now as well. ^^ Anyway take a look on ShieldFittings. More damage, better tank, even those above.

Artelmis Blunicorn 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:12:23 - [21] - Quote I like the Eos bit more agile than the potato, and a heck of a lot tankier than the ishtar.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 41	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:19:28 - [22] - Quote A couple of individuals above, have you ever heard about dominix navy issue and it's dual bonus to hybrid and drone?! One of the best lvl4 runners of all the time!
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 982	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:59:41 - [23] - Quote Artelmis wrote: I like the Eos bit more agile than the potato, and a heck of a lot tankier than the ishtar. ishtar generally can effectively tank more because of the smaller sig and higher speed


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