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Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:44:00 - [61] Originally by: Selpy I dunno, was a crappy way to loose 3 dread's tbh, and I think we all learned a very good lesson. Seems a common lesson: Current codebase blows chunks for POS and large fleet warfare. Guess we're supposed to mine more rather than do team combat.
Boldyn 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:49:00 - [62] Edited by: Boldyn on 26/09/2006 17:50:19 Originally by: Yo Fore Hmm, I didn't notice any lag at all and so was the report from the rest of the fleet. Looks to me like you guys are just making excuses. And if CCP reimburses the losses then they can reimburse my Dread loss from about 6 months ago because of the lag my modules never activated. But I took the loss and moved on as should YouWhat and Toxin. Well 1st of Outbreak didn't lose any dread so Selpy was hardly whining about that. 2nd trying to say we are making excuses is somewhat lame. Lag in EVE gets worse by the day thanks to the "Oh how ****ing wonderfull 30k players online hurray!". The only ones cheering are surely CCP's wallets. It's totally possible for only the warp-IN fleet to feel lag, or the Jump-IN, or the other way around. Why? I have no clue since I am no computerwiz. Your post is pretty poor tbh. Either way, your enemy lost 3 dreads, you didn't. Just feel good about that instead of trashtalking. I usually say posts can have a funny way of biting you in the ass and I think you and I both know that Rise should be carefull about talking kills/deaths. That's it. Gratz on retaking the station Rise. It's going to be ping-pong I'm afraid and I know 1 party that for sure isn't interested in that kind of timewasting. Regards - "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back"
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:24:00 - [63] Hmm understanding the lag complaints partly, it really sucks to loose a ship because of them but... Remmber usually both sides have lag, and was so in past( remmber 1 engagemnt with outbreak i lost bs to lag).And few days before it was opposite sides game , we attacking with dreads youwhat defending and sure there was bad lag but playable . Anyway no sense in smacking , i wish i was there quite happy for Rise because of this , it s only a battle we shall see wahts next... - Grey Council military officer,Rise Wing Commander. Grey Council webpage
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:55:00 - [64] Originally by: Boldyn Edited by: Boldyn on 26/09/2006 17:50:19 Lag in EVE gets worse by the day thanks to the "Oh how **ing wonderfull 30k players online hurray!". The only ones cheering are surely CCP's wallets. quote of the year Originally by:** Boldyn Your post is pretty poor tbh. Either way, your enemy lost 3 dreads, you didn't. Just feel good about that instead of trashtalking. I usually say posts can have a funny way of biting you in the ass and I think you and I both know that Rise should be carefull about talking kills/deaths. You gotta understand what Yofore's been thru. Not trash talking, just venting . But it's sorta unfair that you're assuming all RISE members pop their collars every time they kill stuff. RISE has gone through a lot recently and people will vent frustrations once in a while. Originally by: Boldyn That's it. Gratz on retaking the station Rise. It's going to be ping-pong I'm afraid and I know 1 party that for sure isn't interested in that kind of timewasting. Thanks and kudos to our enemies. I hate POS warfare too but such is alliance life -----------------------------------------------
SmackDoggy2	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:07:00 - [65] Everyone repeat after me. EVE was NOT built for PvP. Oh I get to click on white text in a box, how amusing. Am I playing Might and Magic I on the Commodore 64? Regardless of what you people think. This game was not made for fleet warfare. 140 people in system and the lag is unplayable? MMO? Please, CCP should be sued for false advertising.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:15:00 - [66] ^^Above is an alt post. Quote from his bio: Quote: Newbie Alt Your ammo costs more than my clone.... . No one wanted your opinion on whether or not we find pvp in eve fun, as you can prolly guess, we do.
StrykerSG Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:16:00 - [67] Smack is my alt..have no clue how that got checked.. I must have it when I clicked the preview post thing.
StrykerSG Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:24:00 - [68] Originally by: Krugerrand ^^Above is an alt post. Quote from his bio: Quote: Newbie Alt Your ammo costs more than my clone.... . No one wanted your opinion on whether or not we find pvp in eve fun, as you can prolly guess, we do. I have no problem with people enjoying PvP, but don't brag about it when you are playing in an environment that is not conducive to it. 5 ships killing 1 Raven rat hunting in 0.3 space is like school yard bullying(yes I read your killboard). So why even post that?
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:30:00 - [69] Edited by: Krugerrand on 26/09/2006 19:32:02 Spent last 5 mins trying to post :/ was going to say: heh :p Well eve pvp is fun, one of few reasons I still play eve. When the lag is sorted everyone will be happy and can hold hands! To bring your "point" up. If as you say can read our boards you see we kill quite a lot. This isn't limited to 0.0, whats the difference between killing someone in 0.0 ratting to someone in low sec? All thats different is the penalties inflicted by the game. You point is nullified by the fact we don't just "gank", yes we do that too, nothing wrong with it, but we do fleet fights, even fights and hell even fight outnumbered, purely because we play the game for the pvp and to enjoy it, we decide on just how we want to pvp.
Boldyn 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:50:00 - [70] Originally by: StrykerSG Originally by: Krugerrand ^^Above is an alt post. Quote from his bio: Quote: Newbie Alt Your ammo costs more than my clone.... . No one wanted your opinion on whether or not we find pvp in eve fun, as you can prolly guess, we do. I have no problem with people enjoying PvP, but don't brag about it when you are playing in an environment that is not conducive to it. 5 ships killing 1 Raven rat hunting in 0.3 space is like school yard bullying(yes I read your killboard). So why even post that? Remember a few posts back, the thign about what u post comes back to bite you in the ass? I asume by your post that Rise or your corporation has never had more then 5 ships killing 1 ship? <--(trying to hold my laugh inside me here...). I also asume that when 5 of you are out running about and you by chance find this 1 ship, you first draw straws on who gets to kill him? Or perhaps you have an internal tournament and the winner gets to attack? What exactly do you wish to state in your post? We only kill 5 vs 1? Since you obviosuly found or KB you would know that isn't the case. Since you fought us, or surely know it's not true. Take a good long think about how you yourself behave in 0.0 and then, you can get back to us. OR, for the sake of humankind, don't. Your post had nothing to do with the topic, it was just an atempt (ah damn poor one at that) to make your enemy look bad. Next time, resist the urge to post! - "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back"
StrykerSG Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:11:00 - [71] Originally by: Boldyn Originally by: StrykerSG Originally by: Krugerrand ^^Above is an alt post. Quote from his bio: Quote: Newbie Alt Your ammo costs more than my clone.... . No one wanted your opinion on whether or not we find pvp in eve fun, as you can prolly guess, we do. I have no problem with people enjoying PvP, but don't brag about it when you are playing in an environment that is not conducive to it. 5 ships killing 1 Raven rat hunting in 0.3 space is like school yard bullying(yes I read your killboard). So why even post that? Remember a few posts back, the thign about what u post comes back to bite you in the ass? I asume by your post that Rise or your corporation has never had more then 5 ships killing 1 ship? <--(trying to hold my laugh inside me here...). I also asume that when 5 of you are out running about and you by chance find this 1 ship, you first draw straws on who gets to kill him? Or perhaps you have an internal tournament and the winner gets to attack? What exactly do you wish to state in your post? We only kill 5 vs 1? Since you obviosuly found or KB you would know that isn't the case. Since you fought us, or surely know it's not true. Take a good long think about how you yourself behave in 0.0 and then, you can get back to us. OR, for the sake of humankind, don't. Your post had nothing to do with the topic, it was just an atempt (ah damn poor one at that) to make your enemy look bad. Next time, resist the urge to post! The point was SGHQ doesn't go around bragging. Yes we kill 5v1, and yes we will post it on our killboards, but we won't come on here and say here check out www.ourkillboard.blah we are l33t. Quote: * To destroy RISE in the area. Our successes and failures in regards to the second bullet can be found on our killboard. Saying let the KB do the talking means nothing, that was my point.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:13:00 - [72] Originally by: Boldyn Originally by: StrykerSG Originally by: Krugerrand ^^Above is an alt post. Quote from his bio: Quote: Newbie Alt Your ammo costs more than my clone.... . No one wanted your opinion on whether or not we find pvp in eve fun, as you can prolly guess, we do. I have no problem with people enjoying PvP, but don't brag about it when you are playing in an environment that is not conducive to it. 5 ships killing 1 Raven rat hunting in 0.3 space is like school yard bullying(yes I read your killboard). So why even post that? Remember a few posts back, the thign about what u post comes back to bite you in the ass? I asume by your post that Rise or your corporation has never had more then 5 ships killing 1 ship? <--(trying to hold my laugh inside me here...). I also asume that when 5 of you are out running about and you by chance find this 1 ship, you first draw straws on who gets to kill him? Or perhaps you have an internal tournament and the winner gets to attack? What exactly do you wish to state in your post? We only kill 5 vs 1? Since you obviosuly found or KB you would know that isn't the case. Since you fought us, or surely know it's not true. Take a good long think about how you yourself behave in 0.0 and then, you can get back to us. OR, for the sake of humankind, don't. Your post had nothing to do with the topic, it was just an atempt (ah damn poor one at that) to make your enemy look bad. Next time, resist the urge to post! Must . . . resist . . . the urge . . . . to say . . . . "HI Boldyn". BTW, regarding the actual topic, it seems that the fighting has "overall" been pretty fun, although I feel that every attempt at fleet or pos warfare comes down to "lag" wins and pretty much everyone else loses. I can certainly understand the retiscence in many of the posts regarding pos warfare, especially from those who seek to have "fun" by pvp'ing, including my old friends in Outbreak. Yoda Out
StrykerSG Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:20:00 - [73] Edited by: StrykerSG on 26/09/2006 20:21:11 And actually if you read my first post Quote: Everyone repeat after me. EVE was NOT built for PvP. Oh I get to click on white text in a box, how amusing. Am I playing Might and Magic I on the Commodore 64? Regardless of what you people think. This game was not made for fleet warfare. 140 people in system and the lag is unplayable? MMO? Please, CCP should be sued for false advertising. It wasn't directed at anyone. I don't know why you were getting defensive. My complaint was, finally having a good fleet battle(only 140 ships, when D2 took it from Goon there was A LOT more than 140), and then "lag" happens and now because of petitions they might get it all back. The original post from Outbreak saying he was lagged for 300 seconds didn't see that it was actually a two pronged attack on our part. We didn't have everyone sitting at the POS causing lag. The BSs that neutralized the dreads were a separate coordinated attack. So it was directed at CCP and the fact that its useless to try and have fleet battles when you get lagged out and then everyone gets things back. Kind of takes the wind out of a well planned attack. But as stated, my OP wasn't directed at anyone, but since I did it with my alt by accident it was attacked, and then subsquently I was as well.
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:23:00 - [74] Edited by: SwindonBadger on 26/09/2006 20:24:00 Well last night I wasnt there ( in the op but in local and on ts, for some 2 minutes Im hearing, Im not loading u take over, ect ect, the night before when apparently the lag was better, I did one of my "go for it manouvers" in an inty to poss just to see the lag (bs already fighting)(exspceting that id be popped if I dint get out the moment I got in) I waited for some time in warp and still in warp to see nothing attack me and then just the message come up, ur out of contol and boom im sitting there nothing loaded! heres a screney, I dont give a monkeys ass about loosing an inty to a pos but ... if u dont think our guys lagged out ur very much mistaken, so like yer ! be proud of what u like ... but know in ur heart whats gonna go down raghh, ! to some degrea I think u desrved those kills but understand its with lag/the campy campy last resort we cant fight it out tacktics. U have no idear how hard some of the guys had to fight it out in alliances before posses,Im talking to the mouths that start saying about "joing a reel allianc" alot of us fought harder and got raided by many many different peeps, theres one thing I learned looking at poss warfair u will not get better at the game by doing what u are doing. u will not become better pilots and u will not learn how to deel with "the" BoB who take a sneaky peek into the uses of xzh. im just getting u thinking (trying to) ...... all I can say is for all those poor pilots out there where poss warfair is a regular occurances, unless the lag/mechanics of it are sorted I pitty u. http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deathnomakeruh5.png
Boldyn 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:47:00 - [75] So...lemme get this straight. When Marko pointed to the Killboards as an answer to peoples questions regarding stats of the war, he wanted to show them how we killed a Raven with 5 ships in 0.3? He was infact bragging about that kill? No, he wasn't, so I am sorry but much like others reading this topic, I have no clue what kind of connection you are trying to make. It was his response as CEO of Outbreak regarding the latest events in our campaign VS Rise, which can be found in 1 single line on the Killboards. Nothing else, so how about you stop trying to make up what people are saying? Thanks! PS. Hi Yoda! - "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back"
Nyack GREY COUNCIL R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:02:00 - [76] gaaah!! i tried to say to every single member that were in the gang to not post anything on eve-o about this fight since it is an infected topic as it is and woudl lead to no good at all. try to do a less bias report about what happened: youwhat had turned the tabbles in the conflict and instead of RISE putting their pos into reinforced they had now attacked ours. the first fight when the pos were set into reinforced were rather undramatic and yw had very little trouble taking the pos into reinforced. the next day the pos went out of reinforced at 22:00 evetime when both major timezones mix. the us player got in early. the aussie player got up early from bed. the eu players stayed up late. for once rise put up a good gang we had also managed to do the logistic this time around and get **load of BS instead of regular crap we usually fly. as expected TOXINS came to join in the fight and aid yw in the assault. they brought 25ish sniper setup bs (correct me if i am wrong u have better clue on that part). youwhat had 4 dreads and mixed supoort for the assualt. the gangs were pretty equal i think they were 70/70. Rise also had 4 carriers active with **load of fighters. rise were expecting a mexican standoff since the numbers were equal and you need big numbers to take teh fight to a hostile pos. to our suprise YW brought the fight. kudos for risking those dreads.. YW warped in 4 dreads into our POS. we had bs and support with regualr setup warp into our pos shield. they slowly headed to the edge of the pos shield as soon as they got out of the pso shield they started to fire on one of the dreads. it of course tanked it all. however we had a suprise ready. 12 bs setup with nosf and neutralizers had been hauled into system and were sitting at a pos we normally dont use. the leaching bs had 30 or so fighter drones assigned to them and they warped in right on top of the dreads. at this tiem we had covert eyes on yw adn toxins and their support didnt warp to the hsotile pos until the first dread was popped. when we went for teh second dread the toxin fleet were shooting at fighter drones we lost roughly 10-15 fighter drones. teh second dread went pop. third dread were then attacked. pop.. with risk of loosing tackel on the frist dreads the last dread had no points on tehm and wildcard managed to warp out. anyone with experience in pos warfare knows that YW had little chance of surviving with those 4 dreads. we all knwo warping itno a pos will cause lag. they knew it we knew it. we risk it every time we set one of their pos into reinforced. granted teh lag the toxins experienced when tehy warped to the pos might have caused us to loose more of our support and our fighters. however teh dread kills were fair and they were not lagged out... it was a clean fight and local was very clear and smack free after it.. it pains me that it tunred into a flamefest and any GREYC other then ceo posting in this thread are warned. aswell as any other RISE that dont are CEO. thx Toxins and thx YW for bringing the fight most other opponents wouldnt have risked it. ok now maybe i will get in trouble with RISE for being to detailed but the risk of YW getting those dreads reimbursed is jsut to much. and all the info i wrote is in the other posts above if you read between the lines. but those were the conditions yw fought under this time they underestimated us cause we do generally dont put up organisation like this but toxins has thought us well and we are slowly improving.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:41:00 - [77] Originally by: Nyack granted teh lag the toxins experienced when tehy warped to the pos might have caused us to loose more of our support and our fighters. however teh dread kills were fair and they were not lagged out... I don't agree 100% because the BS fleet warped in to save the dreads obviously. They lag may or may not have obstructed thier goal, being that the dreads were all popped, its easier to conclude that it did. As far as trying to stop a persons ship from being reimbursed, thats really none of your concern and you should leave it up to the GMs. Other than that nice post. Grats to RISE on a nice victory. I hate POS warfare and I'm glad that I have to work during peak euro hours - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Nyack GREY COUNCIL R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:50:00 - [78] well i dont expect the gm to listen to me =) however wanted to point out that the petition should be about toxins not getting more kills on us.. the dreads were lost from the start.. however toxins should have killed more of us when we took tehm down no argue about it.. so the ones that draw the shortest straw from lag shoudl be toxins. so feel free to petion getting more kills =) (joke)
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:58:00 - [79] Thanks for the combat report, Nyack. The reimbursement comment came from an Outbreak member who was speculating and I guess misjudged the level of passion those comments would incite among RISE peons. I have not heard from YW of any petitions being filed or any accusations of out of game mechanics being responsible for the losses, so I think you can rest easy if you're concerned about it.
Tassill Minmatar WAFFLES Inc. R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.28 02:45:00 - [80] Edited by: Tassill on 28/09/2006 02:48:07 Hi Guys, Here is my view of the pos defence from the other night. Rise pos defence Unfortunatly i forgot to fraps the warp in, 30 seconds warp in lag and fist dread going down. After that first dread went down the game went into uber lag mode i assume this is when the you what support fleet arived but could be wrong about that. Thanks for the fight guys kudos for taking the dreads in Edit: got th elink to work and fixed a spelling mistake
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.09.28 05:14:00 - [81] I just want to make a short statement: YW lost 3 Dreads on attacking a POS. YW don't petitoned the losses. YW sends gratulations to RISE for that good operation and for getting the sov. again. ____________________________________________________________ You want WHAT??? ... phew,phew,phew ... boom!
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.28 06:58:00 - [82] Originally by: StrykerSG [ I have no problem with people enjoying PvP, but don't brag about it when you are playing in an environment that is not conducive to it. 5 ships killing 1 Raven rat hunting in 0.3 space is like school yard bullying(yes I read your killboard). So why even post that? Give me one example off RISE trying to fight toxin if they dont outnumber 5vs1 in FLEET?. Since day one, rise refuse to fight if they dont outnumber with extrem numbers. "understanble as u still get pretty blown up". But think before u type the next time m8t......
Tenrevo LoneWolf Mining R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:53:00 - [83] Edited by: Tenrevo on 28/09/2006 08:55:21 Originally by: Mindlles Give me one example off RISE trying to fight toxin if they dont outnumber 5vs1 in FLEET?. Since day one, rise refuse to fight if they dont outnumber with extrem numbers. "understanble as u still get pretty blown up". Here you are Originally by: Mindlles But think before u type the next time m8t...... talking to yourself? Originally by: Gordon Red I just want to make a short statement: YW lost 3 Dreads on attacking a POS. YW don't petitoned the losses. YW sends gratulations to RISE for that good operation and for getting the sov. again. Thank you very much Gordon. I really appreciate your style. RESPECT /me bows
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.28 09:18:00 - [84] Originally by: Mindlles Give me one example off RISE trying to fight toxin if they dont outnumber 5vs1 in FLEET?. Since day one, rise refuse to fight if they dont outnumber with extrem numbers. Have you had a bad day? Outbreak has never had a need for such cheap smack and everyone in Outbreak and Rise knows that you're 100% wrong. In fact, you've never fought us without having more BS in your fleet than us while we have engaged you on several occasions despite being heavily outgunned (i.e. 50% T1 cruisers vs. a fleet of 20+ T2 fitted BS). I hope this very low kind of smacktalk by Outbreak is a unique occasion, otherwise I'll rapidly lose all respect for this reputable and undoubtedly very good PVP corp. not speaking for my alliance.
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.28 11:02:00 - [85] Sry dont really see where u comming at the link ur pasting from our killboard? U had a fight with toxin, u lost?. Well congratz!. If u answer to the 5vs1 thing i typed in, well it was to answer ur member. And if u have the power to keep scrolling thrue our killboard, be my guest, u see toxin is mostly outnumberd. Tho we might not be outgunned! :P. Cheap smack?, I answer a post to one off ur guys, Bad day? Yeah pretty much. When rise members logg off when toxin enter their systems, When even numbers and they refuse to fight? Im sry but i do get grumpy, specilly when i see some guy posting someting very stupid... After toxin gangs time after time postioned them self to make it as easy as possible for ur guys to fight us... Well i do respond to it. Sure enough its always wrong to say everybody in rise act this way. Becouse thats absolutly not thrue. I had a couple off fun fights with some rise. But when u have a big part off ur members acting in the way i described abow and when someone in my opion smacks us, I do respond how i feel about it. Mind
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.28 12:02:00 - [86] Originally by: Boldyn Well 1st of Outbreak didn't lose any dread so Selpy was hardly whining about that. 2nd trying to say we are making excuses is somewhat lame. Lag in EVE gets worse by the day thanks to the "Oh how ****ing wonderfull 30k players online hurray!". The only ones cheering are surely CCP's wallets. So true, so sad
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.28 15:27:00 - [87] Very nice work on killing those dreads Rise, keep up the good work ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.28 15:41:00 - [88] What Wizzy said "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:06:00 - [89] I wonder when YW is going to get angry... ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.

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