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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 13:52:45 -
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Siegfried Cohenber was kind enough to provide an introspective on CODE's philosophy.
TLDR: SC admits that CODE are dicks. He thinks dicks are a necessary evil in the game otherwise it would be boring. He believes that CODE is volunteering on taking on this difficult and necessary responsibility (to be dicks in EVE).
The whole view is perhaps slightly more nuanced. But overall the message is that CODE are dicks and they believe that's what they provide to the EVE community.
Please note that SC is one of the more moderate members of CODE who doesn't usually trash talk and generally i have respect for him personally but this provides a valuable insight into how even more moderate CODE members think.
[09:00:25] ab > that's not his message [09:01:41] ab > i tihnk he always said ganking is a fine mechanic but the way code uses it to troll players is poor attitude [09:02:03] ab > it's basically bad for the game [09:02:18] sc > we're actually healthy for the game imo [09:02:23] sc > need villians [09:02:27] sc > to make it interesting [09:02:30] sc > it'd be boring [09:02:58] ab > yeah well your roleplay crosses over into RL abuse [09:03:04] ab > that's super uncool [09:03:35] sc > rl abuse [09:03:40] sc > ehhh [09:03:48] sc > like i would consider rl abuse [09:03:59] sc > like attacking someone's faults in rl [09:04:11] sc > or just being really abusive [09:05:22] ab > my understanding is that you troll people into anger with bonus rooms etc [09:05:40] ab > just ganking their ship is enough [09:05:44] sc > oh [09:05:47] sc > bonus rooms are old [09:05:50] sc > e 1 is gone [09:05:57] sc > there are no bonus rooms anymore [09:06:01] sc > i even thought they went a bit far [09:06:08] ab > i heard a month ago about it actually [09:06:21] ab > in ag channel that you guys still do it [09:06:33] ab > but tbh i think you did tone down [09:06:34] sc > is ag a reliable source [09:06:36] ab > and it's for the better [09:06:37] sc > or someone in code [09:07:29] ab > anyways i never heard you personally troll people [09:07:40] ab > loyal and ac are just jerks [09:08:17] sc > hmmm [09:08:21] sc > like troll how [09:08:36] sc > theres a lot of different ways and methods used in trolling [09:08:42] sc > with varying levels of acceptance [09:08:59] ab > it's a fine line between crossing over from villain roleplay into poor "content" [09:09:07] sc > i dont bother with any roleplay [09:09:12] sc > im more up front [09:09:22] sc > maybe a tiny bit of permit selling [09:10:28] sc > oh [09:10:31] sc > [09:07:29] ab > anyways i never heard you personally troll people [09:10:33] sc > i cant read [09:10:43] sc > yes loyal and the other agents are fine tear collectors [09:11:19] ab > yeah well i believe even the term "tear collector" is basically bad for the game [09:11:41] sc > the block function exists for a reason [09:11:55] ab > it's the atmosphere you create [09:12:09] ab > people don't want to play with jerks [09:12:29] sc > perhaps you want to say [09:12:30] ab > i'm fairly sure you made many people quit simply because they don't enjoy to be around the likes of you [09:12:33] sc > play in the same game with jerks [09:12:43] sc > i'm pretty sure i've made people uninstall [09:12:48] sc > after losing huge freighter losses [09:12:50] sc > like uh [09:12:52] sc > this guy [09:13:00] sc > Kill: Metuo Dred (Providence) [09:13:06] sc > i dont think hes logged on since [09:13:24] ab > sure i believe it [09:13:59] sc > but thats just rage quitting [09:14:01] sc > like any game [09:14:07] sc > theres going to be winners and losers [09:14:09] ab > well it depends on how you handled it [09:14:16] sc > in any game with 2 teams [09:14:20] ab > sure there will be rage quitters [09:14:35] sc > like someone has to be ganked [09:14:40] ab > but it doesn't help that you basically contact people later and troll them with permits [09:14:49] ab > your permits are not designed for profit, they are designed for trolling [09:14:55] ab > you coulda charged 100m easy [09:15:09] ab > 10m is an obviously small amount that's not even worth the time collecting [09:15:12] sc > well i definitely dont charge 10m for ransoms :^) [09:15:27] ab > so the 10m fee is designed purely for trolling [09:15:49] ab > it basically gives you a reason to troll people by sending them a mail later [09:16:02] ab > dude, not only we ganked you, but we are going to ask you for money [09:16:09] sc > a post gank mail has been around for ages though [09:16:10] sc > even i do that [09:16:24] sc > with nice kills [09:16:24] ab > it's basically designed to outrage people [09:16:34] ab > there's no other purpose to it [09:16:38] sc > well lets go back [09:16:41] sc > to real life sports [09:16:48] sc > you're at a football game [09:16:49] ab > lol [09:16:58] sc > and your home team wins [09:17:00] ab > real life sports has clear rules on unsportsmanlike behavior [09:17:12] sc > theres some opposing team fans right next to you [09:17:14] ab > you get banned for any unsportsmanlike conduct [09:17:21] ab > CODE is like nowhere near sportsmanlike conduct [09:17:22] sc > nono fan to fan interaction [09:17:26] sc > is what im refering to [09:17:33] sc > some real **** talk [09:17:34] sc > going on [09:17:37] sc > with sports fans [09:17:44] ab > fans are too low of a bar to consider [09:17:46] sc > i'd compare post gank mails to that [09:18:00] sc > and people who play a space ship mmo arent [09:18:04] ab > many people avoid sports events simply because of fans [09:18:19] ab > also you are not a fan, you are the team [09:18:41] ab > also your opponents are generally defenseless and beginners [09:18:51] ab > so i think CODE is nowhere near comparison with sports [09:19:02] sc > sports fans [09:19:03] sc > maybe [09:19:05] sc > hmm?
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 13:53:31 -
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reserved |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 13:54:49 -
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reserved |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:11:52 -
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Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
34
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:22:09 -
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reserved |

Paranoid Loyd
3536
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:30:37 -
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"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2776
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:32:27 -
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maybe, I dunno ... link to a pastebin of the chatlogs?
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Gaylord Fappington
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:35:04 -
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Some really groundbreaking stuff here. I've always wanted to know the inner workings of people who blow up mining barges and enforce the Code. |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:39:13 -
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pastebin could be doctored just as well if that's your concern. |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:40:00 -
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Gaylord Fappington wrote:Some really groundbreaking stuff here. I've always wanted to know the inner workings of people who blow up mining barges and enforce the Code.
ikr |

Buddy Scrap
Ministry of Internal Examination
23
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:51:21 -
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Reversed. |

Leto Thule
Team Pizza Disavowed.
2015
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:57:47 -
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IB4L
Posting of chatlogs blah blah blah.
Also, nobody givesafuck.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2778
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:01:01 -
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Dream Five wrote:pastebin could be doctored just as well if that's your concern.
nope, just trying to read through multiple posts of doctored chatlogs is annoying. 
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1894
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:02:22 -
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I stopped reading at "permits were designed for trolling", since they were invented at the behest of the GMs.
To be honest I got eye cancer quite a bit before that.
Witty Image - Stream
Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
250
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:02:28 -
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Yawn?  |

Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
636
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:15:57 -
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Spam
Tldr
Ib4l |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:55:04 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Spam
Tldr
Ib4l
gotta <3 EVE average player's attention span. |

Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
479
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Posted - 2015.01.19 16:07:15 -
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It'd be cute if i got banned and code stayed in the game lol |

Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
636
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Posted - 2015.01.19 16:11:25 -
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Dream Five wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote:Spam
Tldr
Ib4l gotta <3 EVE average player's attention span.
You don't know my attention span your post is boring and has no practical. .... Oh look a cookie. |

Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
96
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Posted - 2015.01.19 16:11:52 -
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Our ROLEPLAY is offensive? You haven't seen my inbox I take it. |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1510
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Posted - 2015.01.19 16:32:36 -
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Dream Five wrote:
TLDR: dicks are a necessary ... ...for ... ...correspondence.
Yes I agree
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Kane Ceres
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.19 17:28:51 -
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Please edit title, "Interview" suggests that you are impartial and trying to gain some insight about the subject. Or you could just change it to "An extremely biased and leading Q&A (where I dont care about the A) with a CODE. line member." |

Orlacc
739
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Posted - 2015.01.19 18:11:22 -
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Having to bump your own thread means no one is interested. Make sense?
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2015.01.19 19:04:43 -
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You're not very good at text based pvp are you d5 |

admiral root
Red Galaxy
2220
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Posted - 2015.01.19 19:40:08 -
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Am I too late to reserve a post?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
91
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:15:19 -
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Anotther episode of grr CODE. docudrama. Is it a 2015 goal for some? A new "emergent" RP? Inb4lock |

Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
857
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:28:07 -
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admiral root wrote:Am I too late to reserve a post?
I think we both missed the deadline to reserve posts.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1061
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:32:35 -
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Reserving a spot for the 2016 uptake.
Concord Approved Trader
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Leto Thule
Team Pizza Disavowed.
2017
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Posted - 2015.01.19 23:33:26 -
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admiral root wrote:Am I too late to reserve a post?
Yes, but don't worry. Another ****** anti CODE. thread will be along soon.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
751
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Posted - 2015.01.19 23:54:16 -
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Yeeeeeeha! Posting in another thread about my favourite thing in EVE, CODE. !!
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
585
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Posted - 2015.01.20 03:03:06 -
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ib4l
You can post the chatlogs on a blog and then just link us the blog. We're all dying to hear what you have to say.
For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
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loyalanon
The Conference Elite CODE.
632
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Posted - 2015.01.20 05:50:01 -
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I thought you were quitting?
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
1817
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Posted - 2015.01.20 08:30:10 -
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Reserve today and I will double it.
TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Tasnala Estidal
Viziam Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2015.01.20 09:19:39 -
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I would like to pledge 2 reservations. |

Mortlake
216
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:50:41 -
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#reserving #yolo #earthgirlsaresmelly |

Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
1822
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:56:47 -
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Tasnala Estidal wrote:I would like to pledge 2 reservations.
Tasnala Estidal wrote:I would like to pledge 2 reservations.
TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Tasnala Estidal
Viziam Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:47:40 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Reserve today and I will double it.
I endorse this product/service. He delivers. |

Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
866
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:53:09 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Tasnala Estidal wrote:I would like to pledge 2 reservations. Tasnala Estidal wrote:I would like to pledge 2 reservations.
I reserve this post for a reply to Tora's reply to Tasnala's pending reserved posts.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19446
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:30:31 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Tasnala Estidal wrote:I would like to pledge 2 reservations. Tasnala Estidal wrote:I would like to pledge 2 reservations. I reserve this post for a reply to Tora's reply to Tasnala's pending reserved posts.
Reserved for observation and witty wordplay joke about the above.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1067
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Posted - 2015.01.21 02:22:40 -
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Reserved so i can tab into alts to give me likes to comepensate for my bad posting.
Concord Approved Trader
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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
92
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Posted - 2015.01.21 02:25:58 -
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Reserved to setup a grr Zen Garden |

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2015.01.21 11:08:25 -
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Page 3, that's not bad for a thread that is clearly going nowhere!  |

CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
910
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:48:13 -
[43] - Quote
Has OP been through Uedama recently?
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1097
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:03:03 -
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Unfortunately, they never quit.
Which makes them evil liars and frauds who should be banned.

Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
115
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:33:02 -
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Threats to quit EvE seem to be a common AG tactic, once their inevitable futility to stop Code from always winning dawns on them.
Given the threats never seem to be carried out, I can only speculate it is another pinheaded strategy in their "Just One More Nerf(tm)" campaign to turn EvE into the theme park they openly wish for. (shudder)
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
41
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:33:32 -
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Grr, rabble-rabble, somebody needs to nerf/buff something or I will (just lie about) quitting.
Is being dicks reserved, or can anyone be a dicks too? |

Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
53
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Posted - 2015.01.22 17:42:18 -
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Dream Five wrote:Siegfried Cohenberg was kind enough to provide an introspective on CODE's philosophy.
TLDR: SC admits that CODE are dicks. He thinks dicks are a necessary evil in the game otherwise it would be boring. He believes that CODE is volunteering on taking on this difficult and necessary responsibility (to be dicks in EVE).
Note that SC clearly realizes the distinction between justganking and being dicks.
The whole view is perhaps slightly more nuanced. But overall the message is that CODE are dicks (who are polite and refrain from using swear words) and they believe that's what they provide to the EVE community.
Please note that SC is one of the more moderate members of CODE who doesn't usually trash talk and generally i have respect for him personally but this provides a valuable insight into how even more moderate CODE members think.
Full text can be found on reddit: "an_interview_with_line_code_member"
*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence. ISD Ezwal.
I dont get it.
First off, i dont see a distinction between ganking and being dicks, and I dont see SC pointing that distinction out, either, which is clearly demonstrated at the end when he invites the other guy to gank with them to see the other side. Notice SC didnt ask him to taunt, or ****-talk, or send mails with him. Just gank. And of course, SC admits that he does a lot of Post gank mails as well.
Id consider ganking in the first place, to being an a-hole, a ****. You can gank for profit, or gank just for fun, and there are plenty of people who would convo you and send you a mail after youve ganked them, where they tell you that you are being an a-hole, a ****, for doing so, despite the fact that you didnt initiate the conversation/mail in the first place. The only distinction is whether youre less of an a-hole, or more of an *******, but youre still an a-hole.
Secondly, yes, ganking does provide content. AG is proof of this. The fact that there arose an organization dedicated to informing, helping, and outright counter-ganking, repping and jamming Code, is proof that Code has produced content as the villain, and produced a system of opposition that actively dedicates itself to countering the Code.
Thirdly, we all know that Code are acting like dicks. So whats the point of this thread? Within this game, theres nothing wrong with being the villain. Being the ****. Scamming. Baiting. Ganking. We all know this is part of the game. It shouldnt come to a surprise to anyone that people are being dicks and villains, and choosing to do so for fun, for profit, to make this game more engaging.
It feels as though this is another "wow, look at how Code is made up of sociopaths/psychopaths/bullies/assholes/dicks!" thread. As if we didnt know that ganking is an *******-ish thing to do, just like scamming or can baiting. You seem to be obsessed with trying to inform as many people as possible, that Code is a sociopath/psychopath/bullying/*******/**** organization, as if that would make you feel better for losing 2(lol@ the reason for losing the 2nd freighter) freighters in a row to them(plus the JF). Are you doing this so you can rally the community to get them banned(Again)? Didnt you learn anything from the last time you tried this? |

Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
53
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Posted - 2015.01.22 17:48:27 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Threats to quit EvE seem to be a common AG tactic, once their inevitable futility to stop Code from always winning dawns on them. Given the threats never seem to be carried out, I can only speculate it is another pinheaded strategy in their "Just One More Nerf(tm)" campaign to turn EvE into the theme park they openly wish for. (shudder)
Its an internet argument technique called the Hotel California guest. It's when they keep checking out but they never actually leave. |

Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
116
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:46:00 -
[49] - Quote
Solonius Rex wrote: . . . The fact that there arose an organization dedicated to informing, helping, and outright counter-ganking, repping and jamming Code . . .
AG displays nothing resembling any real organization.
I lul'd at your post.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
56
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:17:03 -
[50] - Quote
Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote: . . . The fact that there arose an organization dedicated to informing, helping, and outright counter-ganking, repping and jamming Code . . .
AG displays nothing resembling any real organization. I lul'd at your post.
Cool beans, bro.
Also, since AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization. |

Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
117
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Posted - 2015.01.22 20:22:13 -
[51] - Quote
Solonius Rex wrote:AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization.
No. A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition.
I lulz at another of your posts!
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
57
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Posted - 2015.01.22 20:27:43 -
[52] - Quote
Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization. No. A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition. I lulz at another of your posts!
So AG has never ganked and killed/stopped a code bumper? Has never saved a mining barge or a freighter? Okay.
Now im the one whos lulzing at your post. |

Futt Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.01.22 20:31:44 -
[53] - Quote
Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization. No. A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition. I lulz at another of your posts!
yep sorry you're wrong
nowhere near all ganks are stopped, but plenty of ganks have been prevented by AG folks Sure they're mostly terrible, but it's not like they're useless - same deal for gank intel folks. |

Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
57
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Posted - 2015.01.22 20:40:30 -
[54] - Quote
Futt Isimazu wrote:Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization. No. A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition. I lulz at another of your posts! yep sorry you're wrong nowhere near all ganks are stopped, but plenty of ganks have been prevented by AG folks Sure they're mostly terrible, but it's not like they're useless - same deal for gank intel folks.
Yup. Never said they were efficient, good at what they do, or well organized. They are a poorly organized group, but organized, and a group nonetheless. |

John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
469
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Posted - 2015.01.22 22:04:22 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Futt Isimazu wrote:Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization. No. A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition. I lulz at another of your posts! yep sorry you're wrong nowhere near all ganks are stopped, but plenty of ganks have been prevented by AG folks Sure they're mostly terrible, but it's not like they're useless - same deal for gank intel folks. Yup. Never said they were efficient, good at what they do, or well organized. They are a poorly organized group, but organized, and a group nonetheless.
There is nothing bad about people grouping up and doing things together. It's good for the game as it leads to greater player interaction.
I'll let you in on a little secret. A long time ago, when I was a wee ganker, we had an organized op that was attended by 20+ white knights who really made things difficult for us. I private chatted James 315 and reported what the WKs did and what they did it with and he responded with, "lol, that's awesome!" or something very similar. If we can get a player to dock his barge or his mission ship and actually come and play eve with and against other people eve will be a better place. If you can look past the tears and the silliness, there is a reason we do what we do and say what we say.
Everything is going according to plan.
That said, I linked a loyalanon Incursus KM in AG last night and got kicked. That's just wrong. I have feelings too and it was a sweet one-shot kill that deserved the acclaim of the AG community. If an AG mod could unblock Major Bowel Discomfort I would appreciate it. Thank you.
Also, I don't get why you won't talk to me with your alt Jen? I know it's you. You ignored me all night and then popped into local on your main and say "o/" right away. Again, the feels...
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
873
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Posted - 2015.01.22 22:33:52 -
[56] - Quote
So many people forget that we're real people too. 
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
58
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:32:15 -
[57] - Quote
John E Normus wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:Futt Isimazu wrote:Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization. No. A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition. I lulz at another of your posts! yep sorry you're wrong nowhere near all ganks are stopped, but plenty of ganks have been prevented by AG folks Sure they're mostly terrible, but it's not like they're useless - same deal for gank intel folks. Yup. Never said they were efficient, good at what they do, or well organized. They are a poorly organized group, but organized, and a group nonetheless. There is nothing bad about people grouping up and doing things together. It's good for the game as it leads to greater player interaction. I'll let you in on a little secret. A long time ago, when I was a wee ganker, we had an organized op that was attended by 20+ white knights who really made things difficult for us. I private chatted James 315 and reported what the WKs did and what they did it with and he responded with, "lol, that's awesome!" or something very similar. If we can get a player to dock his barge or his mission ship and actually come and play eve with and against other people eve will be a better place. If you can look past the tears and the silliness, there is a reason we do what we do and say what we say. Everything is going according to plan. That said, I linked a loyalanon Incursus KM in AG last night and got kicked. That's just wrong. I have feelings too and it was a sweet one-shot kill that deserved the acclaim of the AG community. If an AG mod could unblock Major Bowel Discomfort I would appreciate it. Thank you. Also, I don't get why you won't talk to me with your alt Jen? I know it's you. You ignored me all night and then popped into local on your main and say "o/" right away. Again, the feels...
Dude, im not Jens alt, i was banned from AG as well...
Also, yup, agreed with most of what you said. Nothing wrong with grouping up and doing things together, it provides great content. |

Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
42
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:56:16 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:AG is a group of people that coordinate with each other frequently to oppose Code, id say they do resemble a real organization. No. A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition. I lulz at another of your posts!
If you act like a **** people will treat you like a ****. Question is, are you acting?
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:06:38 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Revis Owen wrote: A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition.
So AG has never ganked and killed/stopped a code bumper? Has never saved a mining barge or a freighter?
An AG'er having an individual moment of luck and glory ganking/saving is a different subject than a group of them being "coordinated", "organized", or "opposition".
We're talking about the latter. Stop jumping around subjects like a squirrel, little squirrel-man.
Squirrel-man, you make me lulz.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
106
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:11:47 -
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John E Normus wrote: If an AG mod could unblock Major Bowel Discomfort I would appreciate it.
If they find a way to unblock Major bowel discomfort surely there is some serious $ to be made, the pharmaceutical businesses are all rolling it it.
Also, he didn't respond with a 15 page essay?
Confirming that the rebels haven't blown up even one of our death stars, they are all fully operational. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19474
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:46:36 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Confirming that the rebels haven't blown up even one of our death stars, they are all fully operational.
That's because they currently lack aboriginal teddy bears.
Judging by all the former WoW kiddies who have been posting in GD lately, it appears that AG is banking on Pandas being almost as effective as Ewoks in taking down the empire.
Prepare your defenses accordingly.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
59
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:03:49 -
[62] - Quote
Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:Revis Owen wrote: A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition.
So AG has never ganked and killed/stopped a code bumper? Has never saved a mining barge or a freighter? An AG'er having an individual moment of luck and glory ganking/saving is a different subject than a group of them being "coordinated", "organized", or "opposition". We're talking about the latter. Stop jumping around subjects like a squirrel, little squirrel-man. Squirrel-man, you make me lulz. I *agree* with you when you introduced that you would call them a "group". I agree with that. They're a group. That's about it, currently. John E Normus spoke of some times when there was some WK coordinated action in space against their "enemies". That would be cool to have . . . not the currently pathetic state of seemingly individual acting AG'ers flopping around and failing to stop nearly all ganking and bumping. There are probably some code agents out there who are conscientious enough about what their beliefs are, and who could be considered qualified to comment upon the perceived shortcomings of various opposition groups and adversaries.
You my friend, are not one of these.
Any so called "agent of the code" who is arrogant enough to link the names of pilots who have bought pernits in his bio,and in which at least half of said permit holders dont reflect this purchase in their own bio's (a major code violation I've been led to believe), and the other half mining away blissfully afk ( I'm confident based on known code rhetoric this is another major violation), and after publically stating on these forums " I'm not a babysitter" might not be the best individual to be pointing out the deficiency of others,
I guess what I'm trying to say is, you might want to clean up the sh*t in your own backyard before you look over the fence.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:40:25 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:[quo arrogant enough to link the names of pilots who have bought pernits in his bio,and in which at least half of said permit holders dont reflect this purchase in their own bio's (a major code violation I've been led to believe) fence.
Names and dates are linked to confirm a permit was issued. Code agents try to confirm potential targets are not permit holders. Perhaps missing permit info in their bio is a mistake or oversight, which my bio info may serve to rectify and save the miner from gank. The Savior of Highsec, James 315 (peace be upon him), grants His agents full powers and discretion in how to handle any situation. Regardless of your opinion, my bio reflects what other agents may use and what my customers want and I serve them, not you.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
60
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:34:14 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:Revis Owen wrote: A group of people that share mostly crap intel and jump in their ships only to FAIL at stopping Code bumpers and gankers are neither really coordinated nor any real opposition.
So AG has never ganked and killed/stopped a code bumper? Has never saved a mining barge or a freighter? An AG'er having an individual moment of luck and glory ganking/saving is a different subject than a group of them being "coordinated", "organized", or "opposition". We're talking about the latter. Stop jumping around subjects like a squirrel, little squirrel-man. Squirrel-man, you make me lulz. I *agree* with you when you introduced that you would call them a "group". I agree with that. They're a group. That's about it, currently. John E Normus spoke of some times when there was some WK coordinated action in space against their "enemies". That would be cool to have . . . not the currently pathetic state of seemingly individual acting AG'ers flopping around and failing to stop nearly all ganking and bumping.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43956775/
Wow. Youre right. I only see one individual person on that kill.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43149729/
More solo kills. Yup. Only one individual person on that kill as well.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43952444/
Clearly you were right. Only kills here are done by individuals. Absolutely no coordination. Absolutely no other person on their killmails.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43472994/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43472982/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43472976/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43472480/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43469337/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43188916/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43188614/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43187781/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43116336/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43116339/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42955253/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43839962/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43839712/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43519900/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43470434/
Pure luck, clearly. Its just complete luck that they just happened to be flying falcons and griffins. Pure luck. And as chance happens, they also had gallente faction jammers. Utter coincidence. Perhaps they were on their way to help a friend out in a level 4 mission against gallente rats?
And, again, only one individual person on those kills. No other person on those killmails. None. Always only individuals on kills.
I was laughing at your comments, until i realized how desperate you are. Now its just sad. |

Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:51:27 -
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Solonius Rex: "Wow. Youre right. . . ."
Of course. Unfortunately, kills you think qualify are: --Mostly whoring on concord/facpo kills post-gank. Multiple pilots were just in the vicinity, not "coordinating". --Some of one AG'er mainly ganking a bumper or scout at a gate. Other pilots happen to be there because AG'ers just hang around the gates. No "coordination" happening.
We're talking about coordination and organization, not simply more than one pilot managing to ***** on concord's, facpo's, or another individual's kill. You're jumping around again, squirrel-man.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
61
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:39:06 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex: "Wow. Youre right. . . ."
Of course.
Of course im right. Its good to see you finally admitting that.
Revis Owen wrote: Unfortunately, kills you think qualify are: --Mostly whoring on concord/facpo kills post-gank. Multiple pilots were just in the vicinity, not "coordinating". --Some of one AG'er mainly ganking a bumper or scout at a gate. Other pilots happen to be there because AG'ers just hang around the gates. No "coordination" happening.
We're talking about coordination and organization, not simply more than one pilot managing to ***** on concord's, facpo's, or another individual's kill. You're jumping around again, squirrel-man.
Now, as for your "Unfortunate" points, you would be correct, if only you werent so wrong. Since you seem to be especially dull, ive decided to put quotations, and Italicize the words you should pay close attention to, so that you do not miss them this time.
I suppose its just a "Coincidence" that the same people keep showing up on each others kill mails, together.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43956775/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43952444/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42170465/
Wow, what a "Coincidence"! Jennifer en marland and Slania Auduin just "happened" to be together to kill these guys, and just "happened" to have gank-fit ships that just "happened" to fire on the same target and kill it!
Infact, I bet Jennifer En Marland was trying to kill that Bumper on her own, when suddenly, out of nowhere, some other guy, just happened to have a ganking ship, and just happened to fire at the same time as her! Completely believable. Slania Auduin didnt even know what was happening when it happened, right? Pure coincidence. Pure happenstance. No coordination. No Organization. Pure luck.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43149729/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43952444/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42840044/
Wow, more "Coincidence"! Jennifer en marland and Syn white, just "happened" to be near each other! Both of them just "happened" to be at the asteroid belt where code was ganking! Clearly, because the chances of this happening, are... what, only 1 in 10? There are only like 10 systems in hisec after all, right?
Yup, all these guys just "happened" to be near each other. They were all just randomly jumping around hisec, and they just "happened" to come across each other in a gank. no one told them that a gank was going down. They werent in the same fleet. And its pure coincidence that a these guys had the right ship for the job. Pure coincidence that many of them had ECM ships.
All utter "coincidence". We all know that no chat goes on in AG channel or the Intel channel. They never fleet up. They never talk to each other. Infact, i bet they were all scratching their heads when they kept seeing the same person fly alongside them and jam people/attack people alongside them.
This is hilarious, youre making yourself look like an idiot. Keep it coming. |

Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:18:32 -
[67] - Quote
Solonius Rex wrote:I suppose its just a "Coincidence" . . .
Yeah, funny that. JEM and a "sidekick" sometimes. Funny there's not a whole lot of variety to the "sidekick" toons.
I'm shocked, shocked to find that simultaneous multi-account play is going on in EvE!
And, just clicking a fleet button does not make two or more people a coordinated or organized group of players.
And fleeting up one's alt(s) clearly doesn't either.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
63
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:35:36 -
[68] - Quote
Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:I suppose its just a "Coincidence" . . . Yeah, funny that. JEM and a "sidekick" sometimes. Funny there's not a whole lot of variety to the "sidekick" toons. I'm shocked, shocked to find that simultaneous multi-account play is going on in EvE! And, just clicking a fleet button does not make two or more people a coordinated or organized group of players. And fleeting up one's alt(s) clearly doesn't either.
Ah, yes. Of course. Jennifer En Marland, Syn White, Omad Moreau, Slania Auduin, Thomas En Chasteaux, Zakk Starkiller, Magary, all of these people always seem to land on each others killmails. And of course, clearly they must be "alts" of each other, and belong to only 1 person!
Just like how James 315 is an "Alt" of The Mittani? Of how the entire new order is just an "Alt" of James 315 and are all done by a single person?
Youre beginning to sound like the miners that get ridiculed on Minerbumping. |

Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
61
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Posted - 2015.01.24 19:11:21 -
[69] - Quote
Revis Owen wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:arrogant enough to link the names of pilots who have bought pernits in his bio,and in which at least half of said permit holders dont reflect this purchase in their own bio's (a major code violation I've been led to believe) We make up the rules as we go along Well thanks then thats good to know, I guess if there is anyone who just absolutely feels like they have to operate with a mining permit this is the guy to buy it from. Hell, I bet you could find a way to justify all that afk behavior as well, since you had all that discretion and power granted to you by your afk supreme leader.
Just curious though, do you guys have some sort of super secret ceremony where James logs in to grant you all these discretionary powers, these being the same powers most normal players are just naturally already in possesion of, or does he phone them in?
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Tasnala Estidal
Viziam Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2015.01.24 21:41:56 -
[70] - Quote
Im going to have to buy another station warehouse to hold all the butthurt in this thread. |

TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:21:04 -
[71] - Quote
Reserved |

Nalia White
Tencus
63
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Posted - 2015.01.27 16:03:18 -
[72] - Quote
Revis Owen wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:I suppose its just a "Coincidence" . . . Yeah, funny that. JEM and a "sidekick" sometimes. Funny there's not a whole lot of variety to the "sidekick" toons. I'm shocked, shocked to find that simultaneous multi-account play is going on in EvE! And, just clicking a fleet button does not make two or more people a coordinated or organized group of players. And fleeting up one's alt(s) clearly doesn't either.
after reading the whole thread and having nothing to do with both sides i can clearly see that the AG folks affected at least this individual greatly...
holy **** batman are you affected :D |

Alana Charen-Teng
The Stars Like Dust
492
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Posted - 2015.01.28 09:55:14 -
[73] - Quote
Solonius Rex wrote: Wow, what a "Coincidence"! Jennifer en marland and Slania Auduin just "happened" to be together to kill these guys, and just "happened" to have gank-fit ships that just "happened" to fire on the same target and kill it!
Infact, I bet Jennifer En Marland was trying to kill that Bumper on her own, when suddenly, out of nowhere, some other guy, just happened to have a ganking ship, and just happened to fire at the same time as her! Completely believable. Slania Auduin didnt even know what was happening when it happened, right? Pure coincidence. Pure happenstance. No coordination. No Organization. Pure luck.
Not to detract from your point, but Jennifer En Marland and Slania Auduin are actually the same person. So, solo in a sense on that one. =p |

Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
67
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Posted - 2015.01.28 16:30:52 -
[74] - Quote
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:Solonius Rex wrote: Wow, what a "Coincidence"! Jennifer en marland and Slania Auduin just "happened" to be together to kill these guys, and just "happened" to have gank-fit ships that just "happened" to fire on the same target and kill it!
Infact, I bet Jennifer En Marland was trying to kill that Bumper on her own, when suddenly, out of nowhere, some other guy, just happened to have a ganking ship, and just happened to fire at the same time as her! Completely believable. Slania Auduin didnt even know what was happening when it happened, right? Pure coincidence. Pure happenstance. No coordination. No Organization. Pure luck.
Not to detract from your point, but Jennifer En Marland and Slania Auduin are actually the same person. So, solo in a sense on that one. =p
Ah, okay, i did not know that. They rarely appear on each others killmails i didnt think they were the same person. Thanks for clearing that up. :) |
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