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Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 19:58:38 - [1] - Quote Cap boosted dualrep Tristan vs Cap boosted dualrep railcursus. And Tristan wins ? Fail game balance, as always.
Ashlar Vellum 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2015.01.20 20:44:06 - [2] - Quote He orbits you at 500 or something, so yeah probably. Also dual rep cursuses need friends to be good imo.
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 20:49:12 - [3] - Quote nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out, what a fun fight ...
Ashlar Vellum 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:04:07 - [4] - Quote Even at 7000 your rail tracking is not that great, while his drones don't care about pretty much everything. So yeap, tristan victor. ;D
Violet Crumble EOL Logistics 575	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:16:10 - [5] - Quote So let me get this right. You had a fight that ended in a stalemate and you warped out after running out of cap boosters and somehow that means the game is not balanced? I am assuming you would only accept that the game is balanced if you had killed him? Trying to make a conclusion about balance on the basis of 1 fight is pointless, but doesn't seem to be an issue here anyway. What were his skills, implants, boosters, links vs. yours? What is his pvp experience vs yours? How much time has he spent flying that Tristan fit vs you flying that incursus fit? etc. So many variables. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Violet Crumble EOL Logistics 575	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:20:30 - [6] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out, what a fun fight ... Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer? Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Zen Guerrilla CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 316	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:28:44 - [7] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Cap boosted dualrep Tristan vs Cap boosted dualrep railcursus. And Tristan wins ? Fail game balance, as always. Worst thread of the week. What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot. A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes. pew pew
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:34:12 - [8] - Quote Violet Crumble wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out, what a fun fight ... Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer? Kill his drones in a booster-125mmrail-incursus without a web ? Because you know, cap booster requiring a med slot ... or should I use blasters instead you think ? Then any fight using rails against a tristan in that case a losing battle, then if the guy is fit with neuts, blasters wont be of much help either, even with cap booster. Yea, it became a stalemate but in his perspective it was a clear win.
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:44:01 - [9] - Quote Zen Guerrilla wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Cap boosted dualrep Tristan vs Cap boosted dualrep railcursus. And Tristan wins ? Fail game balance, as always. Worst thread of the week. What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot. A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes. You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread: Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan. (fill in the gap) Fyi, i was using 125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit) I am maxed in all gunnery skills. I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I. The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere.
Violet Crumble EOL Logistics 576	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:48:07 - [10] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Violet Crumble wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out, what a fun fight ... Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer? Kill his drones in a booster-125mmrail-incursus without a web ? Because you know, cap booster requiring a med slot ... or should I use blasters instead you think ? Then any fight using rails against a tristan in that case a losing battle, then if the guy is fit with neuts, blasters wont be of much help either, even with cap booster. Yea, it became a stalemate but in his perspective it was a clear win. Who gives a crap what his perspective was. You seem to have fallen for it too and see him as the winner and you as the loser. Your attitude is certainly a loser attitude. I'll give you that. As to blaster v rail, in solo pvp I almost always go for rails (not this character), but that's just a preference. I prefer the extra damage projection, but I don't fly an incursus often either. I prefer a comet or Tristan to the incursus (but not because of balance). Yeah without a web, killing his drones would be tough. Can't have it all, but not being able to dominate a specific situation doesn't make the game unbalanced. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:52:38 - [11] - Quote Violet Crumble wrote: [but I don't fly an incursus often either. I prefer a comet or Tristan to the incursus (but not because of balance). Well there you go, So before talking, try flying what i fly more often, and against what you conveniently fly for yourself all the time because then you would have a slight idea of what im talking about. Quote: Yeah without a web, killing his drones would be tough. Can't have it all, but not being able to dominate a specific situation doesn't make the game unbalanced. But you see the problem is all I see is Tristan, if you fly solo, it's Tristan 90% of the time. Cant have it all then look whos talking.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 31481	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:55:48 - [12] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Well there you go, So before talking, try flying what i fly more often, and against what you conveniently fly for yourself all the time because then you would have a slight idea of what im talking about. I (this is my pvp character) didn't say I haven't flown an incursus. I used to to a dual rep fit quite often. It's just not my preference now. When I did fly it, I flew it blaster fit, but prefer Rails on a Comet these days and no high slot modules on a Tristan, or a neuting Tristan. Plenty of experience in an Incursus, just not a preference I have anymore. So I'm quite happy to stand by what I wrote. Two ships not killing each other doesn't mean the game is unbalanced. 1 fight being used to determine that the game is unbalanced is pointless. If Goe Rilla is the character you used in that fight, then maybe go and get more pvp experience before coming to whinge and moan in the forum. If not, then disregard this last sentence. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Ashlar Vellum 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:01:16 - [13] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread: Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap) Fyi, i was using 125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit) I am maxed in all gunnery skills. I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I. The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere. Maybe the game or maybe me. Im open to suggestions. Or a different fit. Dual rep incursus is like a player made punisher, so what did you expect?
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 566	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:02:50 - [14] - Quote Lol, this thread fails so hard. The other day I killed a blaster Comet in my rocket Breacher, does that mean that the comet isn't as good? Not by a long shot, the Comet is a much better ship (as it should be since it is a faction ship). One fight you had one time isn't really saying anything about game balance.
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:04:33 - [15] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Just not a preference I have anymore. Well simply not many or any people's preference anymore for solo. It used to be though, not entirely but certainly not the onesidedness of solo or even entire fleets of Tristans in space seen everywhere these days. Care to expand on how that could be ?
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:07:37 - [16] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread: Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap) Fyi, i was using 125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit) I am maxed in all gunnery skills. I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I. The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere. Maybe the game or maybe me. Im open to suggestions. Or a different fit. Dual rep incursus is like a player made punisher, so what did you expect? What would you suggest that would tank as well as that tristan mentioned above then ? Small Ancillary rep with limited nanites ? Im telling you, our repping was on the same level in that fight, he was dual rep also. With a single rep on my incursus he would out-time me in cap boosters. So conclusion is, Railcursus against RailTristan is simply down to cap booster charges. Which is simply, Fail.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 82	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:09:12 - [17] - Quote Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:10:56 - [18] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo Then Suggest something else in Incursus against dual rep Tristan ...
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 31484	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:21:50 - [19] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Well simply not many or any people's preference anymore for solo. Rubbish. Go to zkill and search for 'incursus'. Then click on kills and search down a few pages. Plenty of solo kills there. There is a lot of data available to check these sorts of assumptions. Quote: It used to be though, not entirely but certainly not the onesidedness of solo or even entire fleets of Tristans in space seen everywhere these days. Care to expand on how that could be ? Lot's a ships go through phases of popularity. Tristans are fairly flexible in terms of fitting - rails, blasters, neuts, pure drone boat. They can be nano fit for kiting and armor brawl fit. So yeah, they are popular at the moment, but people get sick of flying the same thing over and over. Fads pass and another ship will take over popularity at some point. Again. Nothing to do with game balance. In this whole thread you haven't mounted a single good argument to explain why the game is not balanced because a Tristan and Incursus had a fight and couldn't kill each other. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Sean Parisi Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T 593	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:28:20 - [20] - Quote Neuting Tristan wins.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 83	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:29:52 - [21] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo Then Suggest something else in Incursus against dual rep Tristan ... Anything with a neut. Anything with the ability to kill off his drones whileshrugging off his not astonishing dps. Anything with the dps to break thruh his sub optimal dual rep tank (really a bad idea on a tristan) But mostly, just disengage and leave the dual rep guy to play with his ** and come to fhe forum to complain his ** fit has the range control of a donkey ran over by a freighter truck Pretty much anything but flying a dual rep RAIL incursus, which i'm hard pressed to describe as anything other than the absolute apotheosis of the shitfit
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:35:54 - [22] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Tristans are fairly flexible in terms of fitting - rails, blasters, neuts, pure drone boat. They can be nano fit for kiting and armor brawl fit. Indeed, they do seem to have it all dont they... Now, I wonder why everyone flies them all the time, and not over just a flavour of the month thing, I do mean ALL the time, for last 3 years or more. I can at least garantee that if CCP gave Incursus a mere +2 drones to its arsenal, all the Tristan bitches would come swarming the forums with a 100x more potent ability to moan than i ever could.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 31484	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:42:47 - [23] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Indeed, they do seem to have it all dont they... No more than any other ship. No. Quote: I can at least garantee that if CCP gave Incursus a mere +2 drones to its arsenal, all the Tristan bitches would come swarming the forums with a 100x more potent ability to moan than i ever could. I doubt it. 100x more potent moaning ability than you are showing doesn't exist. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 14	Posted - 2015.01.20 22:54:48 - [24] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Indeed, they do seem to have it all dont they... No more than any other ship. No. More than incursus.
Interfectorem Tacet Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1	Posted - 2015.01.20 23:02:01 - [25] - Quote A properly flown Mancursus (Rails, AB/Web/Scram, SAAR, Magnetic field stab, DCUII) will murder a neut tristan easily. Web his drones and kill a couple. you can then tank the rest easy while smacking him about the head with rails. Don't fly dual rep incursus solo EVER. Unless you can get a really good warp in on a carebear that is.
SmokinJs Arthie Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 97	Posted - 2015.01.20 23:09:33 - [26] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: I can at least garantee that if CCP gave Incursus a mere +2 drones to its arsenal Then it would be a Comet. Goe Rilla wrote: Im telling you, our repping was on the same level in that fight, he was dual rep also. Maybe the other pilot is using drugs and/or boosts? Maybe you should to? Justified Chaos is recruiting.
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 389	Posted - 2015.01.21 01:39:58 - [27] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: crying because I did it wrong. whatever duder.
Arla Sarain 248	Posted - 2015.01.21 01:47:52 - [28] - Quote Zen Guerrilla wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Cap boosted dualrep Tristan vs Cap boosted dualrep railcursus. And Tristan wins ? Fail game balance, as always. Worst thread of the week. What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot. A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes. And at the end of the day you lose or win before the fight starts. Tristans are like kestrels but with neuts. Consistent damage application up to whatever drone control range is.
Catalytic morphisis Viziam Amarr Empire 82	Posted - 2015.01.21 13:22:21 - [29] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere. Im open to suggestions. You do realise that this shows the exact opposite of imbalance right, If you couldn't kill him without depleting his cap boosters, and He couldn't kill you before that point either, Then it was a balanced and fair fight, Granted a lengthy one, However this completely contradicts what you say about "imbalance" Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
Ares Desideratus Star Children Of Cain 187	Posted - 2015.01.21 15:08:19 - [30] - Quote The rail-gun Incursus is a great frigate dueling ship but it needs a web to work, you need to control range to the best of your ability if you're going with a rail-gun fit, twin reps with rail-guns is a horrible idea because you can't rely on your range without a web and the tracking on rail-guns is terrible so that's another reason why you need a web for it to work. In my experience, I fly almost exclusively Executioners, and while they are typically less good at fighting on paper, there are many tricks you can learn in order to become better than other frigates. First you need to actually study the strengths and weaknesses of your frigate and learn it inside and out and work from there. Second, one major thing I've learned is that if I'm going up against a Tristan, your first main priority should always be to kill his drones. Killing his drones before you kill him just gives you a much higher chance of winning the fight. This probably isn't true, depending on what frigate you're flying, but in the Executioner it is basically required, because Tristans seem to just be inherently better at brawling than the Executioner, and the drones can hit you anywhere during the fight. Even with a web your rail-gun Incursus has to be extremely careful over ranges. A fast, skilled pilot in a ship like the Executioner can get up close to you and you won't be able to hit him, even with the web. If you're using rail-guns a web should be mandatory. I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
Ares Desideratus Star Children Of Cain 187	Posted - 2015.01.21 15:12:01 - [31] - Quote By the way, there is no way the Incursus needs to be fixed. It is hands down one of the best frigates right now. Such a powerhouse. I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
Catalytic morphisis Viziam Amarr Empire 82	Posted - 2015.01.21 15:36:11 - [32] - Quote Ares Desideratus wrote: By the way, there is no way the Incursus needs to be fixed. It is hands down one of the best frigates right now. Such a powerhouse. Exactly, People just seem to moan about how it needs to be "Fixed" because they have the wrong fit/wrong tactic going into the fights they lose Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 87	Posted - 2015.01.21 15:58:17 - [33] - Quote Ares Desideratus wrote: By the way, there is no way the Incursus needs to be fixed. It is hands down one of the best frigates right now. Such a powerhouse. uhmm. despite OP's ramblings, i really disagree on this. at least for solo work in FW space
Catalytic morphisis Viziam Amarr Empire 82	Posted - 2015.01.21 15:59:57 - [34] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: Ares Desideratus wrote: By the way, there is no way the Incursus needs to be fixed. It is hands down one of the best frigates right now. Such a powerhouse. uhmm. despite OP's ramblings, i really disagree on this. at least for solo work in FW space in that case you're doing it wrong Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
Arla Sarain 249	Posted - 2015.01.21 17:08:02 - [35] - Quote Interfectorem Tacet wrote: A properly flown Mancursus (Rails, AB/Web/Scram, SAAR, Magnetic field stab, DCUII) will murder a neut tristan easily. Web his drones and kill a couple. you can then tank the rest easy while smacking him about the head with rails. Don't fly dual rep incursus solo EVER. Unless you can get a really good warp in on a carebear that is. You take a web off the tristan you are essentially pre-losing your ship.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 87	Posted - 2015.01.21 17:40:34 - [36] - Quote Catalytic morphisis wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Ares Desideratus wrote: By the way, there is no way the Incursus needs to be fixed. It is hands down one of the best frigates right now. Such a powerhouse. uhmm. despite OP's ramblings, i really disagree on this. at least for solo work in FW space in that case you're doing it wrong care to expand on that? I will, trying to explain my statement, i look forward to your opinion. In my opinion the Incursus has poor range control (low speed, only 3 mids so no 2 webs or a td to force opponent closer) so blaster fit can get scram kited with ease by a lot of ships, or even out tracked by some setups Rail fit, which i used to love, it has sub par dps compared to some other scram kiters (beams, by a massive amount, and to a lesser extent some rocket fits), and again lacks range control capabilities compared to others (anything with 2 webs or a td), is obviously vulnerable to dual web setups or TD unlike some others (rockets), no selectable ammo type. Its saving grace, the good tanking abilities, IMO don't make up for those cons i listed, especially compared to let's say a breacher (dual masb or dual tank), that can sport a bigger tank, just a bit lower dps on paper compared to rails, but with no tracking issue and selectable damage actually making it superior. Also, the boat doesn't really have great cap life, which actually works against the longer fights an active tank ship would be best suited to, and a neut or even a nos can ruin its day.
Ares Desideratus Star Children Of Cain 187	Posted - 2015.01.21 18:22:01 - [37] - Quote Against the Breacher an Incursus has a lot of options, the Breacher isn't that much faster than the Incursus so you should really be able to track very well against them by holding them still. Personally if I was flying a rail-gun Incursus I would be fit with an Overdrive or a Nano and against a rocket Breacher would just kite his rocket range at about 10km most of the fight, thereby mitigating almost all of his DPS. This is a tactic I use very often in the Executioner but I imagine it would work just as well in a rail-gun Incursus. I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. 890	Posted - 2015.01.21 18:58:07 - [38] - Quote this is the saddest of threads. "I was throwing marshmallows and he was firing sponges and he won because my mom called me in for dinner after 8 hours!"
Zen Guerrilla CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 319	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:21:19 - [39] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread: Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap) Fyi, i was using 125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit) I am maxed in all gunnery skills. I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I. The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere. Maybe the game or maybe me. Im open to suggestions. Or a different fit. Dual rep incursus is like a player made punisher, so what did you expect? What would you suggest that would tank as well as that tristan mentioned above then ? Small Ancillary rep with limited nanites ? Im telling you, our repping was on the same level in that fight, he was dual rep also. With a single rep on my incursus he would out-time me in cap boosters. So conclusion is, Railcursus against RailTristan is simply down to cap booster charges. Which is simply, Fail. It's not fail. Why would it be. You're just showing off how terrible your understanding of eve is. It's rock paper scissors in space. Why should a rock beat another rock? And tbh, you should have easily killed him or gotten away. pew pew
Silverbackyererse The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 119	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:51:20 - [40] - Quote Poo-chariot vs poo-chariot? I'd say you both lost.
George Gouillot Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 29	Posted - 2015.01.22 07:33:37 - [41] - Quote If you fly solo, an unlinked dual-rep rail Incursus will die to most T1 frigs, it just takes longer. As will any scram-kiter without a web. If you insist flying this solo, you have to use drugs that are worth more than your ship - at least strong drop (and exile) would be mandatory.
Catalytic morphisis Future Methods 83	Posted - 2015.01.22 08:28:41 - [42] - Quote George Gouillot wrote: If you fly solo, an unlinked dual-rep rail Incursus will die to most T1 frigs, it just takes longer. As will any scram-kiter without a web. If you insist flying this solo, you have to use drugs that are worth more than your ship - at least strong drop (and exile) would be mandatory. Disagree completely. I've ran around solo many times without drugs or links, Granted I could have took on bigger fleets, But to say a Dual rep incursus would die to most T1 frigs is wrong, If it isn't fit right it will, But you can still fight a hell of a lot and come out on top Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 364	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:06:17 - [43] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Maybe the game or maybe me. Im open to suggestions. You lost because you suck, and he doesn't? But that wasn't enough for you, you also had to come to the forums and make a total fool out of your sad face.
George Gouillot Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 29	Posted - 2015.01.22 17:20:09 - [44] - Quote Catalytic morphisis wrote: George Gouillot wrote: If you fly solo, an unlinked dual-rep rail Incursus will die to most T1 frigs, it just takes longer. As will any scram-kiter without a web. If you insist flying this solo, you have to use drugs that are worth more than your ship - at least strong drop (and exile) would be mandatory. Disagree completely. I've ran around solo many times without drugs or links, Granted I could have took on bigger fleets, But to say a Dual rep incursus would die to most T1 frigs is wrong, If it isn't fit right it will, But you can still fight a hell of a lot and come out on top It would make it easier for me to surrender if I could find a single solo kill in an Incursus on your kb
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 567	Posted - 2015.01.22 17:32:49 - [45] - Quote Catalytic morphisis wrote: George Gouillot wrote: If you fly solo, an unlinked dual-rep rail Incursus will die to most T1 frigs, it just takes longer. As will any scram-kiter without a web. If you insist flying this solo, you have to use drugs that are worth more than your ship - at least strong drop (and exile) would be mandatory. Disagree completely. I've ran around solo many times without drugs or links, Granted I could have took on bigger fleets, But to say a Dual rep incursus would die to most T1 frigs is wrong, If it isn't fit right it will, But you can still fight a hell of a lot and come out on top The problem is there is no way to fit to right. If you fit ab/scram/cap booster and wait at a plex beacon so you are sure you will get the scram any brawler that warps in on you is going to have a web and control range, and sith a dual rep you aren't going to put out the damage needed to kill something before it can pull range on you. If you do still fit the web, and forgo the cap booster, then your burst tank will be very high but ultimately eating that much cap it would be outlasted by other brawlers with 400mm plates or MASB meaning that basically only SAAR ships would lose to it. Outside of a plex, fitting an mwd scram and cap booster you will fit getting kited to be a real thing, the dual armor rep incursus isn't terribly fast or agile and a good pilot won't get slingshoted by it very easily. If you have links, lots of time you can overheat your afterburner and scram and prevent people from getting out of range auickly since the boost in speed is nice and your scram is longer than unlinked webs or use your long scram range and pulse an mwd to pull back into range when people try and escape. So basically what that person above you said is absolutely true. People lose to dual rep incursus without webs mainly because they either made a mistake either getting to close rather than pulling range or clicking approach in a kiting ship or something to that effect. The fact is the incursus only had 3 mids and if it lacks the ability to manage range it is going to die or lose a kill.
Ares Desideratus Star Children Of Cain 188	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:46:38 - [46] - Quote If you think the Incursus has trouble controlling range, try flying a Punisher. That ship is so crap. You have to be really good or be fighting really bad pilots in order to make it work. It's really only good for having a good armor tank and that's about it. For how good of a brawler the Incursus is, it's ability to control range is just fine. It does over 1,100 MS and can basically brawl with any frigate. You can't act like 3 mid-slots isn't enough on a frigate. That's really all you need and on top of that the Incursus has insane damage and tank and isn't slow by any means. There are frigates that are way more worse off than the Incursus, like the Rifter and the Punisher. Literally the only time I've had trouble against a Rifter was against a pilot with full Snakes or Slaves and fleet bonuses. And Punishers are so rare in frigate PvP, I get more fights against stupid stuff like Herons than I do against Punisher, because no one flies them because they suck compared to the Executioner or even the Tormentors. Any frigate flying a double-web setup is usually going to be a paper plane, Slashers die within seconds if you get a good shot in on them. There are exceptions like the double-web armor Kestrel which I have had trouble against, and I'm not sure if there are any viable double-web Breacher setups but I've never seen one. I mean The Incursus is such a good brawler that you have to make some sacrifices, if it could control range on everything with it's current stats it would be totally broken. I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 567	Posted - 2015.01.22 22:27:47 - [47] - Quote 3 slots isn't enough to fit a web, point, prop mod and a cap booster was my point. Put a web on it and it is a fine brawler, take it off and it isn't.
Arla Sarain 249	Posted - 2015.01.22 23:41:29 - [48] - Quote Ares Desideratus wrote: 1,100 MS Are you aware that 1100m/s is not fast, even for AB ships? Ships which don't have webs get kited by ships who do. Because your incursus when webbed moves 500m/s OH and every other frig moves at 1500m/s no less. This is if the fight started at 0m range when you locked your target. Your target ends up being at the edge of your null falloff in six seconds, enough for you to cycle your guns at most 3 times. I don't see why Punishers should worry about targets moving away from them. They reach out to scram range with optimal. On the contrary punishers should worry about stuff getting close. And even then, a vamp can perma tank a punisher. I don't understand why people trivialise these things. Locking up another AB frig will take 2-3 seconds. This is enough to start the fight at 3km away. Without a web unless your incursus is rail fit, you won't hit anything with that 160 paper DPS you get.
Ares Desideratus Star Children Of Cain 188	Posted - 2015.01.23 00:00:44 - [49] - Quote Arla Sarain wrote: Ares Desideratus wrote: 1,100 MS Are you aware that 1100m/s is not fast, even for AB ships? Ships which don't have webs get kited by ships who do. Because your incursus when webbed moves 500m/s OH and every other frig moves at 1500m/s no less. This is if the fight started at 0m range when you locked your target. I don't see why Punishers should worry about targets moving away from them. They reach out to scram range with optimal. On the contrary punishers should worry about stuff getting close. And even then, a vamp can perma tank a punisher. Of course I am aware that 1,100m/s is not particular fast. But as I was saying you can't have it both ways, you can't be the best at brawling AND the best at range controlling, because that would just be overpowered. Either way 1,100 isn't THAT slow. The Kestrel is slower, the Merlin is slower. The Punisher is slower. And the Incursus is arguably better than those ships at brawling. Every other frigate does NOT move at 1,500m/s, I don't know where you're getting that from, that's actually just a totally made-up number. Even the Slasher only goes 1,400m/s. I'm not saying that's slow, I'm just saying you pulled that 1,500 number right out of your own bumhole. Yeah the Punisher can potentially do DPS all the way out to 10km. In practice it actually doesn't work out so well, though. There's a reason why nobody flies Punishers. It's because it is very hard to make them work. I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
Interfectorem Tacet Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1	Posted - 2015.01.23 01:24:52 - [50] - Quote The punisher can be a really surprising little box of hurt! Range control isn't an issue with it as you can near instantly swap ammo to reach out and touch anything within scram range within OPTIMAL. People keep forgetting this! The issue is super close ships that out track your lasers. But with decent flying and a metastasis rig or two this stops being an issue. OR fit a web instead of a scram and apply 100% of your DPS to your target whatever range they are (within scram or course) and you would be surprised how much damage that little gold block puts out. They kill a lot of things before they realise they are not scrammed and try to escape. TBH laser is the one thing that I really love in eve and are making it difficult to stick with my Minnie only plan for this new toon.
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 15	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:18:56 - [51] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: Catalytic morphisis wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Ares Desideratus wrote: By the way, there is no way the Incursus needs to be fixed. It is hands down one of the best frigates right now. Such a powerhouse. uhmm. despite OP's ramblings, i really disagree on this. at least for solo work in FW space in that case you're doing it wrong care to expand on that? I will, trying to explain my statement, i look forward to your opinion. In my opinion the Incursus has poor range control (low speed, only 3 mids so no 2 webs or a td to force opponent closer) so blaster fit can get scram kited with ease by a lot of ships, or even out tracked by some setups Rail fit, which i used to love, it has sub par dps compared to some other scram kiters (beams, by a massive amount, and to a lesser extent some rocket fits), and again lacks range control capabilities compared to others (anything with 2 webs or a td), is obviously vulnerable to dual web setups or TD unlike some others (rockets), no selectable ammo type. Its saving grace, the good tanking abilities, IMO don't make up for those cons i listed, especially compared to let's say a breacher (dual masb or dual tank), that can sport a bigger tank, just a bit lower dps on paper compared to rails, but with no tracking issue and selectable damage actually making it superior. Also, the boat doesn't really have great cap life, which actually works against the longer fights an active tank ship would be best suited to, and a neut or even a nos can ruin its day. This
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 87	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:17:32 - [52] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Catalytic morphisis wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Ares Desideratus wrote: By the way, there is no way the Incursus needs to be fixed. It is hands down one of the best frigates right now. Such a powerhouse. uhmm. despite OP's ramblings, i really disagree on this. at least for solo work in FW space in that case you're doing it wrong care to expand on that? I will, trying to explain my statement, i look forward to your opinion. In my opinion the Incursus has poor range control (low speed, only 3 mids so no 2 webs or a td to force opponent closer) so blaster fit can get scram kited with ease by a lot of ships, or even out tracked by some setups Rail fit, which i used to love, it has sub par dps compared to some other scram kiters (beams, by a massive amount, and to a lesser extent some rocket fits), and again lacks range control capabilities compared to others (anything with 2 webs or a td), is obviously vulnerable to dual web setups or TD unlike some others (rockets), no selectable ammo type. Its saving grace, the good tanking abilities, IMO don't make up for those cons i listed, especially compared to let's say a breacher (dual masb or dual tank), that can sport a bigger tank, just a bit lower dps on paper compared to rails, but with no tracking issue and selectable damage actually making it superior. Also, the boat doesn't really have great cap life, which actually works against the longer fights an active tank ship would be best suited to, and a neut or even a nos can ruin its day. This Oh don't "this" me, man. You would have wrecked that shittty dual rep tristan if you flew a man cursus. My post wasn't meant to say incursus sucks. It's very good, at certain things, specific situations. Might even be the best at those. But it's not a ship that has a broad engagement envelope with each of its specific fits, which is what i personally want from a ship i fly solo
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 15	Posted - 2015.01.24 12:11:06 - [53] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: Oh don't "this" me, man. You would have wrecked that shittty dual rep tristan if you flew a man cursus. My post wasn't meant to say incursus sucks. It's very good, at certain things, specific situations. Might even be the best at those. But it's not a ship that has a broad engagement envelope with each of its specific fits, which is what i personally want from a ship i fly solo So for solo, what's your prerefence ? Im willing to change boat if it would mean a less frustrating time finding relevant targets.
Arla Sarain 257	Posted - 2015.01.24 15:03:46 - [54] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: So for solo, what's your prerefence ? Im willing to change boat if it would mean a less frustrating time finding relevant targets. Dual web RFFs. Cos why lose when you can win.
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. 913	Posted - 2015.01.24 15:26:24 - [55] - Quote tormentor is getting quite popular now, small lasers being very strong along with 2 drones and a good slot layout means its a force to be reckoned with. tristan is the go-to newbro frigate but its overused imo breacher is interesting but requires a bit more sp investment merlins are great but suffer a lot of the downsides of the incursus unless you fit it man mode dual web no point and neutrons. atrons are pretty mean if you fit them for falloff as well.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 87	Posted - 2015.01.24 23:02:14 - [56] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Oh don't "this" me, man. You would have wrecked that shittty dual rep tristan if you flew a man cursus. My post wasn't meant to say incursus sucks. It's very good, at certain things, specific situations. Might even be the best at those. But it's not a ship that has a broad engagement envelope with each of its specific fits, which is what i personally want from a ship i fly solo So for solo, what's your prerefence ? Im willing to change boat if it would mean a less frustrating time finding relevant targets. There's no one ship that can rule them all. Some fit a crtain playstyle, some another one. Some do good against certain opponents, some against others. You really just gotta experiment over and over untill you get the hang of things, and get to the point that when you see a certain ship on d scan, you already have a pretty precise idea of the fits he might be rocking, and what are your ship's chances against those, and how you have to manouver to better them. Just remember, that if you lose a 1v1, it almost always isn't because ship x is overpowered, it's because you brought the wrong tool to kill it or you ****** up your tactic
Catalytic morphisis Future Methods 90	Posted - 2015.01.26 09:11:20 - [57] - Quote George Gouillot wrote: Catalytic morphisis wrote: George Gouillot wrote: If you fly solo, an unlinked dual-rep rail Incursus will die to most T1 frigs, it just takes longer. As will any scram-kiter without a web. If you insist flying this solo, you have to use drugs that are worth more than your ship - at least strong drop (and exile) would be mandatory. Disagree completely. I've ran around solo many times without drugs or links, Granted I could have took on bigger fleets, But to say a Dual rep incursus would die to most T1 frigs is wrong, If it isn't fit right it will, But you can still fight a hell of a lot and come out on top It would make it easier for me to surrender if I could find a single solo kill in an Incursus on your kb Yeah agree its been a Damn long time since I last flew one, You'd have to look probably years ago :P Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
Varathius Blood Fountain Massacre LOADED-DICE 151	Posted - 2015.01.26 09:14:29 - [58] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Cap boosted dualrep Tristan vs Cap boosted dualrep railcursus. And Tristan wins ? Fail game balance, as always. Two mistakes already with the above. Mistake 1 : cap boosted dualrep tristan.... .... if you had two energy drainers on it, any incrusus dies miserably to a tristan... Mistake 2 : Incursus that decides to fight a tristan. .... incursus is a free kill for any propper fitted tristan pilot, shouldn't be fighting one to begin with.
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 15	Posted - 2015.01.26 10:22:59 - [59] - Quote Varathius wrote: [quote=Goe Rilla] .... incursus is a free kill for any propper fitted tristan pilot, shouldn't be fighting one to begin with. Nonesense If true balance, each ships of the same class should be able to annihilate eachother respectably with proper fittings each, one shouldnt simply trump on the other because of superior native abilities. I guess thats why we have this debate.
Varathius Blood Fountain Massacre LOADED-DICE 152	Posted - 2015.01.26 14:56:37 - [60] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Varathius wrote: [quote=Goe Rilla] .... incursus is a free kill for any propper fitted tristan pilot, shouldn't be fighting one to begin with. Nonesense If true balance, each ships of the same class should be able to annihilate eachother respectably with proper fittings each, one shouldnt simply trump on the other because of superior native abilities. I guess thats why we have this debate. nonesense? 2 neuts (sometimes 3), = incursus useless within 20 seconds while tristan piles on with an extra blaster (depending on skills that is nearly 50 dps), plus full drone damage, depending on skills again, that is bad news for incursus. What about this is nonesense to you? If people don't know what a tristan is for and don't know how to fit them, with other words, don't understand the tristan's purpose, then yes, such people might indeed think that a tristan with 2 or 3 neuts that makes an incursus useless in a few seconds is nonesense...
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 15:19:32 - [61] - Quote Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway.
Arla Sarain 258	Posted - 2015.01.26 15:23:33 - [62] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway. inb4 "but no one is forcing you to fly a tristan". just fly another frig and lose.
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 16:07:44 - [63] - Quote Arla Sarain wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway. inb4 "but no one is forcing you to fly a tristan". just fly another frig and lose. In that case yea Better I just fly Worm ......
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 444	Posted - 2015.01.26 16:17:57 - [64] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: In that case yea Better I just fly Worm ...... Yeah Worm or Garmur. Don't know why both those lines of ships haven't received a re-rebalancing pass yet CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 395	Posted - 2015.01.26 16:42:27 - [65] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Varathius wrote: [quote=Goe Rilla] .... incursus is a free kill for any propper fitted tristan pilot, shouldn't be fighting one to begin with. Nonesense If true balance, each ships of the same class should be able to annihilate eachother respectably with proper fittings each, one shouldnt simply trump on the other because of superior native abilities. I guess thats why we have this debate. You need to adjust your viewpoint, not all ships, nor fits are designed to excel at the same thing. Eve PvP is very much Rock, Paper, Scissors.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8653	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:04:38 - [66] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway. You aren't, just don't start pissing and moaning when you get asploded because you're using a ship for the wrong thing. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:10:49 - [67] - Quote Thanatos Marathon wrote: [quote=Goe Rilla]Eve PvP is very much Rock, Paper, Scissors. And it blows dicks hard. Not even sure why the ** i would want to continue this **** ** tbh at this point. Im not even sure what's to like about it ? Or if people know it themselves how terrible it is ? Or wait, they just know what to use to get garanteed satisfaction, hence partaking in the general retardation of things. Well done.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 88	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:20:34 - [68] - Quote Arla Sarain wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway. inb4 "but no one is forcing you to fly a tristan". just fly another frig and lose. lots of stuff absolutely wrecks Tristans. And the vast majority can at least force them off field by killing drones. Fact is, the tristan is the ultimate noob stomper, particoularly in the kitey no-highs fit so popoular in the current meta.
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:57:45 - [69] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: Arla Sarain wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway. inb4 "but no one is forcing you to fly a tristan". just fly another frig and lose. lots of stuff absolutely wrecks Tristans. And the vast majority can at least force them off field by killing drones. Fact is, the tristan is the ultimate noob stomper, particoularly in the kitey no-highs fit so popoular in the current meta. whatever, at this point You can keep your roflomgIstompnoobs button game, Im out. Oh look, Xwing just came out on Gog.com ! Any of you RockPaperScissors kids completed that game once ? Didnt think so.
Zen Guerrilla CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 323	Posted - 2015.01.26 18:35:11 - [70] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Arla Sarain wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway. inb4 "but no one is forcing you to fly a tristan". just fly another frig and lose. lots of stuff absolutely wrecks Tristans. And the vast majority can at least force them off field by killing drones. Fact is, the tristan is the ultimate noob stomper, particoularly in the kitey no-highs fit so popoular in the current meta. whatever, at this point You can keep your roflomgIstompnoobs button game, Im out. Oh look, Xwing just came out on Gog.com ! Any of you RockPaperScissors kids completed that game once ? Didnt think so. Can i have your stuff? pew pew
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 18:45:03 - [71] - Quote Zen Guerrilla wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: Arla Sarain wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Why should i be forced to fly a tristan simply to have more targets at my disposal ? This, seems like utter nonesense to me, but anyway. inb4 "but no one is forcing you to fly a tristan". just fly another frig and lose. lots of stuff absolutely wrecks Tristans. And the vast majority can at least force them off field by killing drones. Fact is, the tristan is the ultimate noob stomper, particoularly in the kitey no-highs fit so popoular in the current meta. whatever, at this point You can keep your roflomgIstompnoobs button game, Im out. Oh look, Xwing just came out on Gog.com ! Any of you RockPaperScissors kids completed that game once ? Didnt think so. Can i have your stuff? Wouldnt make much diference tbh. You're already choking on more than you can swallow.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 88	Posted - 2015.01.26 18:57:58 - [72] - Quote Sorry i can't hear you over the sound of all the tristans i make go boom
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:28:48 - [73] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: Sorry i can't hear you over the sound of all the tristans i make go boom That humor of yours, did it work on your last gf/bf ? Didnt think so, too busy being a snotnosed nerd and got you thus far. Congrats.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8655	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:29:20 - [74] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Zen Guerrilla wrote: Can i have your stuff? Wouldnt make much diference tbh. You're already choking on more than you can swallow. Just keep choking on your own stuff for a while more, then you'll realise youre 40+ years old and thinking to yourself how much time was wasted playing russian roulette in that POS wannabe spacegame chatroom. "but zomg its mmorpg and **** !!" Yea, retards. sniffs his stuff Eeew , smells of apathy ,failure and teenager. I don't want it's stuff. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:34:03 - [75] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Zen Guerrilla wrote: Can i have your stuff? Wouldnt make much diference tbh. You're already choking on more than you can swallow. Just keep choking on your own stuff for a while more, then you'll realise youre 40+ years old and thinking to yourself how much time was wasted playing russian roulette in that POS wannabe spacegame chatroom. "but zomg its mmorpg and **** !!" Yea, retards. sniffs his stuff Eeew , smells of apathy ,failure and teenager. I don't want it's stuff. Say failure one more time ****** and i'll show you the true rl meaning of below.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8655	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:38:01 - [76] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Zen Guerrilla wrote: Can i have your stuff? Wouldnt make much diference tbh. You're already choking on more than you can swallow. Just keep choking on your own stuff for a while more, then you'll realise youre 40+ years old and thinking to yourself how much time was wasted playing russian roulette in that POS wannabe spacegame chatroom. "but zomg its mmorpg and **** !!" Yea, retards. sniffs his stuff Eeew , smells of apathy ,failure and teenager. I don't want it's stuff. Say failure one more time ****** and i'll show you the true meaning of below. failure you can usually find me in Vecamia "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 397	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:38:36 - [77] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: More posting about how I don't like this game, mixed in with some really silly threats. Good luck in your next video game adventure!
ggodhsup relocation LLC. 41	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:58:48 - [78] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Zen Guerrilla wrote: Can i have your stuff? Wouldnt make much diference tbh. You're already choking on more than you can swallow. Just keep choking on your own stuff for a while more, then you'll realise youre 40+ years old and thinking to yourself how much time was wasted playing russian roulette in that POS wannabe spacegame chatroom. "but zomg its mmorpg and **** !!" Yea, retards. sniffs his stuff Eeew , smells of apathy ,failure and teenager. I don't want it's stuff. Say failure one more time ****** and i'll show you the true meaning of below. failure rage is so much fun. you cant kill a tristan in an incursus. what kind of lesson could you teach anyone?
Zen Guerrilla CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 325	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:09:23 - [79] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Wouldnt make much diference tbh. You're already choking on more than you can swallow. Just keep choking on your own stuff for a while more, then you'll realise youre 40+ years old and thinking to yourself how much time was wasted playing russian roulette in that POS wannabe spacegame chatroom. "but zomg its mmorpg and **** !!" Yea, retards. Oh my, someone's angry. Calm down kid and don't let the door hit you on the way out. pew pew
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:10:23 - [80] - Quote ggodhsup wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Zen Guerrilla wrote: Can i have your stuff? Wouldnt make much diference tbh. You're already choking on more than you can swallow. Just keep choking on your own stuff for a while more, then you'll realise youre 40+ years old and thinking to yourself how much time was wasted playing russian roulette in that POS wannabe spacegame chatroom. "but zomg its mmorpg and **** !!" Yea, retards. sniffs his stuff Eeew , smells of apathy ,failure and teenager. I don't want it's stuff. Say failure one more time ****** and i'll show you the true meaning of below. failure rage is so much fun. you cant kill a tristan in an incursus. what kind of lesson could you teach anyone? None other than making you revel in stupidity inside your fun at someone else's expense ?
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8655	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:41:54 - [81] - Quote nice work you pm'd me there op, has nothing to do with eve though I'll decline on comparing lives thank you. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:24:06 - [82] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: nice work you pm'd me there op, has nothing to do with eve though I'll decline on comparing lives thank you. has everything to do with it, when you throw broad statements about a person for your sole amusement. Even the littlest of time it took you to wrote them echoes of on your miserable life. Have fun.
Trey Kutoi The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Spaceship Samurai 41	Posted - 2015.01.26 22:12:44 - [83] - Quote That escalated quickly.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 91	Posted - 2015.01.26 23:02:41 - [84] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: nice work you pm'd me there op, has nothing to do with eve though I'll decline on comparing lives thank you. has everything to do with it, when you throw broad statements about a person for your sole amusement. Even the littlest of time it took you to write them down in this thread, echoes down on a lonely and miserable life, no ? I dunno. Worst case scenario, i'm pretty sure Ralph has lots of frozen corpses of Tristan pilots hanging around to keep him company. UNLIKE SOMEONE ELSE
Goe Rilla Sisters of Xambu 16	Posted - 2015.01.26 23:33:12 - [85] - Quote Good for him.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 2769	Posted - 2015.01.27 00:02:24 - [86] - Quote Goe Rilla wrote: Good for him. Dude, what's up ? You were "gone" about 10 posts ago. Why are you taking so long to leave? BTW, can I have your stuff? JUSTK is recruiting.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8656	Posted - 2015.01.27 01:54:27 - [87] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: Goe Rilla wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: nice work you pm'd me there op, has nothing to do with eve though I'll decline on comparing lives thank you. has everything to do with it, when you throw broad statements about a person for your sole amusement. Even the littlest of time it took you to write them down in this thread, echoes down on a lonely and miserable life, no ? I dunno. Worst case scenario, i'm pretty sure Ralph has lots of frozen corpses of Tristan pilots hanging around to keep him company. UNLIKE SOMEONE ELSE Next time you make me laugh like that you can put my kids back to sleep. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
ISD Cyberdyne ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1749	Posted - 2015.01.27 07:56:38 - [88] - Quote Thread locked. OP's discussion ran it's course and derailed, and the posts are no longer on topic or respectful. Please be polite and courteous to other forum users in the future. Thanks! Quote: Forum rules 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 23. Post constructively. Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. ISD Cyberdyne Lieutenant Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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