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Kiri Kaneko University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:26:38 - [1] - Quote Ok so I left University irl and got some money so I can finally upgrade from my crappy second hand ancient PC to a modern gaming one! I've been waiting a long time for this :) Unfortunately my degree wasn't in advanced PC management or PC diplomacy and I really don't know whats good or bad or how to build one or anything. I want one that's optimised for gaming, pre-built and doesn't require much handling so I don't need to worry about games constantly crashing and needing to work out how to get it working properly I have a budget of -ú600-700 however I can get a special offer so can probably get one worth up to about -ú1000 My friend had an Alienware, but I've heard people saying they aren't that good anymore. I tried browsing through a list of PCs and brands but couldn't make heads of tails of their stats Can anyone recommend some good premade PC brands that are easy to use and optimised for gaming? I don't need a PC that's top of the line with the most up to date graphics and technology, even if the specs are a year old it will probably run most games at a steady fps on decent graphics and it will be nice to finally run a game without it resembling minecraft :)
Kiri Kaneko University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:29:32 - [2] - Quote I like the look of "CCL Elite Phoenix Pro Gaming PC" from here: http://www.cclonline.com/category/202/Desktop-PCs/Desktop-PCs/All-CCL-Desktops/attributeslist/1175003/ Is this a good one?
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 854	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:32:36 - [3] - Quote Overclockers.co.uk make custom builds, poke around in there. Maybe the Defender X6 with slightly upgraded processor and graphics will suit your needs and as you're using GBP you'll have an easy time with warranty and payments.
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 527	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:49:59 - [4] - Quote Just build the damn thing yourself. Im not even joking its easier that LEGO sets.
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 527	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:51:27 - [5] - Quote Kiri Kaneko wrote: I like the look of "CCL Elite Phoenix Pro Gaming PC" from here: http://www.cclonline.com/category/202/Desktop-PCs/Desktop-PCs/All-CCL-Desktops/attributeslist/1175003/ Is this a good one? HELL NO. Jesus **** its supposed to be a gaming PC. That CPU is SO overkill for the graphics card its not even funny.
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 855	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:51:41 - [6] - Quote Icarus Able wrote: Just build the damn thing yourself. Im not even joking its easier that LEGO sets. While I agree fully on this, having an unified warranty is most of the time wort more to a normal consumer than the joy of having to troubleshoot yourself and mailing parts all around the world. In this case I'd stick to boutique PC's (not brand) and let them worry about possible issues.
Kiri Kaneko University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:05:40 - [7] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: Overclockers.co.uk make custom builds, poke around in there. Maybe the Defender X6 with slightly upgraded processor and graphics will suit your needs and as you're using GBP you'll have an easy time with warranty and payments. Well I don't want to get into custom builds since I really don't have the expertise to know what is good or bad and the last think I want is for it to start crashing or get a ton of viruses because I missed something important out or did the equivalent of putting petrol in a diesel engine or didnt top up my oil. I want it to be able to take care of itself and just get on with playing. Surely someone has made an affordable gaming PC thats already setup and ready to go The one you linked will work nicely if you can upgrade to at least Radeon R2 270X 2GB, preferably 4GB. Adrie Atticus wrote: Edit: You need to configure the system manually to include an OS! I need a radioactive R2-D2 and 4GB of memory... and I also need a manual ordinance survey...?
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4738	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:06:39 - [8] - Quote Buying a PC makes life easier. I'm fully capable of building one myself. And have in the past. But having one company to complain to, when you get a stick of ram which needs RMAd, but it turns out it's the motherboard frying it, well, that just gets painful. Overclockers is good. PC specialist is also pretty good. Is that budget for a complete system, or just the computer? (ie. do you need a monitor? or 2. or 3) Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 858	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:09:02 - [9] - Quote Kiri Kaneko wrote: I need a radioactive R2-D2 and 4GB of memory... and I also need a manual ordinance survey...? I'll throw you a mail in the next 10 minutes.
Kiri Kaneko University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:09:08 - [10] - Quote I talked with my friend who's really into PCs and building them and stuff, and he says he will sort me out with a good one. Thanks for the advice though :)
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 858	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:13:34 - [11] - Quote Kiri Kaneko wrote: I talked with my friend who's really into PCs and building them and stuff, and he says he will sort me out with a good one. Thanks for the advice though :) Okay, hopefully he actually knows what he is doing so you don't end up with a bad system on a high price tag.
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 527	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:15:28 - [12] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: Icarus Able wrote: Just build the damn thing yourself. Im not even joking its easier that LEGO sets. While I agree fully on this, having an unified warranty is most of the time wort more to a normal consumer than the joy of having to troubleshoot yourself and mailing parts all around the world. In this case I'd stick to boutique PC's (not brand) and let them worry about possible issues. Ive been building and managing my own computers for years and ive never had a problem that took longer than it would take to box it up and send it back for fixing to fix. It sounds like a good plan. But in reality sending back a PC is more effort than using google for ten minutes.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4738	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:30:46 - [13] - Quote Something like: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-430-OE&groupid=43&catid=2475&subcat=2487 With windows 8.1 64 bit (you could go with windows 7, but windows 8.1 works just fine.) Uprating the video card to a 760, rather than the 750ti isn't a bad idea. Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Elena Morin'staal Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:44:53 - [14] - Quote If you get win 8.1, you get a free upgrade to Win 10 when its released or so I've heard.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4739	Posted - 2015.01.22 12:46:00 - [15] - Quote Elena Morin'staal wrote: If you get win 8.1, you get a free upgrade to Win 10 when its released or so I've heard. What I've heard is: First year of 10, windows 7 and 8.1 get a free upgrade Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Galadriel Vasquez Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance 284	Posted - 2015.01.22 13:27:54 - [16] - Quote www.palicomp.co.uk I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
kardjaval EVE University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:39:04 - [17] - Quote Kiri Kaneko wrote: Ok so I left University irl and got some money so I can finally upgrade from my crappy second hand ancient PC to a modern gaming one! I've been waiting a long time for this :) Unfortunately my degree wasn't in advanced PC management or PC diplomacy and I really don't know whats good or bad or how to build one or anything. I want one that's optimised for gaming, pre-built and doesn't require much handling so I don't need to worry about games constantly crashing and needing to work out how to get it working properly I have a budget of -ú600-700 however I can get a special offer so can probably get one worth up to about -ú1000 My friend had an Alienware, but I've heard people saying they aren't that good anymore. I tried browsing through a list of PCs and brands but couldn't make heads of tails of their stats Can anyone recommend some good premade PC brands that are easy to use and optimised for gaming? I don't need a PC that's top of the line with the most up to date graphics and technology, even if the specs are a year old it will probably run most games at a steady fps on decent graphics and it will be nice to finally run a game without it resembling minecraft :) do NOT get a alianware. trust me, i have 3 alianwares, but they are not good machines for their buck. i recommended building your own, (by build, i mean assemble, and it's not very difficult) but honestly. i know you said you want a prebuilt, but i'm just saying. here is a build i literally threw together. it's a bit beefy in terms of price but such a machine will work VERY well http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RyJZHx
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 1889	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:08:32 - [18] - Quote OP: To be brutally honest anything sold with the word "gaming" in it is going to be overpriced. Avoid it. Invest in RAM and video card, as most modern processors can handle today's games with no problems. Do a bit of reading on the latest (expensive) or last year's (much more affordable) video cards - those are the ones you want to look for. EVE at least will run on just about anything including dated laptops although you might have to turn the graphics down a bit.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8606	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:24:04 - [19] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: Overclockers.co.uk make custom builds, poke around in there. Maybe the Defender X6 with slightly upgraded processor and graphics will suit your needs and as you're using GBP you'll have an easy time with warranty and payments. The one you linked will work nicely if you can upgrade to at least Radeon R2 270X 2GB, preferably 4GB. Edit: You need to configure the system manually to include an OS! + 1 for overclockers, bought a Gé¼600 build off them and added an Amd r9 280 myself a couple of months ago and it's an exelent pc for the price. A buddy of mine turned me onto them and we both agree That the build quality (including the cable work) is outstanding. Most importantly though they shipped it with a pack of Harrybo. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Ariadnh Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:37:10 - [20] - Quote also make sure to register on overclockers uk forum. very nice community and you'll get lots of help. building your own pc is very satisfying and it can turn into a long term hobby ( overclocking, benchmarking, configuring, upgrading ).
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8606	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:13:11 - [21] - Quote Ariadnh wrote: also make sure to register on overclockers uk forum. very nice community and you'll get lots of help. building your own pc is very satisfying and it can turn into a long term hobby ( overclocking, benchmarking, configuring, upgrading ). actually thats something i should do, cheers "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Equinnox Dethahal Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:21:18 - [22] - Quote Be careful with premade computers. Typically, and alienware is professional at this, they try to sell you more CPU than you need, with a really expensive computer case, and a barely gaming quality graphics card, with everything else (motherboard, power supply unit, ect) being generic junk. If you are looking at getting a decent computer for your money, focus on getting an unlocked CPU such as the i5 k series. You wont make use of the hyperthreading an i7 offers and the speed is exactly the same between the i5 and i7 but the cost is roughly $100 less for the same speed minus hyperthreading that games don't make use of. Then make sure you get at least a GTX #60 series or 70 series card. The first number indicates the cards generation, so the older cards will be 660 the newest will be 960. Graphics card is where most of your money should be spent for a gaming computer. AMD is a bit more tricky but you should look at their comparative chips and cards to the i5 and the GTX960 if you want to go that route. Once you've priced out the card and cpu...which should run you around $300 for the card and $300 for the chip (estimate I haven't built my own in a few years) The rest can go into pricing out the components, get a decent Power supply unit to ensure years of long gaming sessions (cooler master or corsair are my favorite) which should cost about $150 for a quality product. Motherboard, get one without all the bells and whistles but of a decent brand (ASUS basically though GIGABYTE is decent) Don't bother with one that can fix 6 graphic cards ect, or one with TONS on features that you don't need. Everything else you can pretty much bargain hunt on and be fine. Generic Motherboards are actually quite fine, but changing out a bad MOBO down the road is a total pain so its worth the extra $50 to get a name brand one. People laugh at Alienware because they sell over priced computers to computer illiterate folk who have no idea what the actual cost of the computing power they are paying for is. Do some research. I suggest using newegg.com (even if its USA only) to read component review ect.
Serene Repose 2116	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:25:24 - [23] - Quote Tiger Direct Tiger Direct Tiger Direct Tiger Direct Always stop there first, if not to purchase, to find what's there and HOW MUCH. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
VaIefar Drekavac Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:46:53 - [24] - Quote Get an i5 - not an i7 (the K versions tend to be the ones for OC), unless you want to do more than gaming (ie: heavy photoshopping, video rendering etc in which case an i7 might be the better choice) - I don't know much about AMD tbh - some others will, no doubt. Exchange the stockcooler with something like the Hyper Evo 212 (just an example). Buying assembled pc's, usually come with stockcoolers => bad idea for OC'ing Get (at least) 128GB SSD - put your OS on it (and load-heavy 'main'games) - add extra (1TB) HDD for storage and your alternative games (green labeled ones are cheapest if you don't mind the speed, hence the SSD anyways). Get a minimum of 8GB RAM - preferably 1600 or 1800's - you can always upgrade over time, don't worry too much, just get a reliable brand. Get a decent PSU (!) have it at least 80% bronze labeled - preferably a modulated one (though these tend to be more expensive). PSU's tend to be cheap in prefab pc's.. bad idea. If it dies, it can take every other part in your pc with it. Get a nice graphics card - but don't go overkill on the GPU in comparance with your CPU. Get a nice looking case to your own liking - make sure it's big enough for airflow. Preferably PSU placed at the bottom, cable management tucked away (= airflow). Having a button on your case to adjust your fanspeed, lights and/or reset button comes in handy too. You can go as cheap or as crazy as you want to with this.. Personally I'd reckon: - if you looking for a very (very very) cheap pc to just do basic office work and some internetting => buy your pc - if you're into gaming or anything more than the above => assemble / let it assemble for you. You can adjust anything for the price you're willing to pay.
Elena Morin'staal Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:49:03 - [25] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Ariadnh wrote: also make sure to register on overclockers uk forum. very nice community and you'll get lots of help. building your own pc is very satisfying and it can turn into a long term hobby ( overclocking, benchmarking, configuring, upgrading ). actually thats something i should do, cheers I've built my own pc, and been upgrading it for about 10 years now, and I've built gaming rigs for my sister's fiance, a friend, my cousin's son and a standard rig for my dad. Its ******* easy. 99% of the stuff only connects to one slot, one way round, as long as you've bought the right parts, its easy to put together. Something you might wanna try for parts ideas, take modern game you like (say, Skyrim). Check the recommended settings and aim a little bit above those. Oh, and SSD for the OS. My latest upgrade to my PC, with Win 8.1, boots from cold to PW screen in under 4 seconds, and about a second from PW entry to ready to rock.
Hallvardr 62	Posted - 2015.01.23 01:19:18 - [26] - Quote LOL .. wow. And how many of you are actually career IT people ? I see a lot of buzz words flying around with no pre qualifying questions. Not saying that there are not some valid points, just sayin. my vote out of these posts so far goes to Steve Ronuken's link. Also Ptraci's advice of "anything sold with the word "gaming" in it is going to be overpriced" to very accurate. Its called human marketing. Make cr*p sound good enough and someone will buy it. Enough people buy and you open a company called Packard Bell. Alianware - you're paying for a name and a lingering reputation. They suffered the same success failure as Pioneer did in the 80's. They went mass market and quality took a dump. Did you know that they're owned by Dell? Our data center is all Dell and the business class dell platforms are good. But the "Bestbuy" class of dell .. wouldn't touch em.
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 1181	Posted - 2015.01.23 02:10:34 - [27] - Quote I'd say that if you ask for advice then you'd most likely be best served with a pre-built box. So the important thing isn't what's in the box (or how it looks), it's all down to your feelings for the company. Communicate with them, in person, phone, mail, fax, carrier pigeons, smoke signals, or what ever. You'll soon discover if their goal is to provide you with the product you actually want (even if you don't know it), or if they just want to flog the box that will render the most bonus for them self. Building one from scratch isn't that hard, but does require quite an effort and it can lead to serious pain and frustration when you'll have to juggle 3-5 different suppliers trying to find out why your new computer blows up every 30 minutes, and who'll fix it. And while looking for prebuilds (or similar), remember that "Harry on the corner" might be a bit dodgy, but he _needs_ you to be happy for his business to survive. While Dell, IBM or such might be a bit more stable, they don't worry much about a single customer being less than happy. CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Galadriel Vasquez Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance 289	Posted - 2015.01.23 09:17:57 - [28] - Quote Alienware - was great now its dog turd in a plastic box. The guy above is correct they are owned by Dell now. Your best bet is indeed the Bespoke sites. It depends what country your in but there are sites that let you swap in and out all the components of the PC - then they build it for you. I have done this many times and currently have a rig that is ridiculously fast and powerful. Windows 8 is not meant for desktops and I don't care how many updates they patch onto it to make it more user friendly I am a windows 7 man, Windows 8 made me feel ill. PCspecialist.co.uk is ok but expensive. palicomp.co.uk are great and have good customer support ( I bricked a GPU flashing the bios and they sent me an upgrade free of charge - and that was 3 months out of warranty). www.scan.co.uk are good too. There are a myriad of options and it is fun comparing them - well I think it is :) Also you could buy the components and DIY - thats fun and not as hard as people would have you believe. I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Elena Morin'staal Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2015.01.23 09:38:13 - [29] - Quote I have bought over a grands worth of kit from scan over my building life, I had a small hiccup with delivery on my most recent order, but it was quickly and satisfactorily resolved. Highly recommend them. Its not hard to assemble yourself, but if you're wary, some of the bespoke building sites are a great way to do it. I'd second (third?) avoiding alienware. They are like most prebuilts now, overpriced, bloated with garbage and not worth considering. I was wary of Win 8, but maybe cause my phone is 8.1, I'm finding it works brilliantly on desktop. Even the wildly different start menu is fine, and I'm finding the tiles are very intuitive to use. Before having 8.1 I'd have said don't bother and get 7, but after using it, its brilliant.
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 529	Posted - 2015.01.23 09:49:20 - [30] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: [quote=Adrie Atticus]Overclockers.co.uk Most importantly though they shipped it with a pack of Harrybo. They ship every order with a pack of haribo. Its amazing.

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