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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.26 03:27:46 -
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If the logos end up as CCP property, I'll just keep on keeping on.
If they end up becoming player owned, I'll have little bee t-shirts on eBay faster than the Mittani can yell lawsuit.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2015.01.26 03:34:13 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Here I was thinking we elected CSM representatives, not a bunch of yes-men. Watermarks are stupid. They're going to look stupid. Furthermore they're completely unnecessary.
CCP does not need ownership of the alliance logos in the game. All they need is an irrevocable, unconditional license to use. That's what we've been telling them from the very beginning, and it's something they've completely ignored.
If you actually cared, Steve, you or ANYONE ELSE in attendance would have mentioned this license to use, but nobody did. I'm completely underwhelmed by your handling of this situation.
So the holdup is not technical. Again, instead of regurgitating what they told you, dig a little bit deeper. The holdup is organizational culture and nothing more. This can be resolved now without any changes to the game code. No matter what happens you will not be happy. Really? Are you me? You know what'll make me happy? No, you aren't, and you don't.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
665
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Posted - 2015.01.26 05:26:33 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Here I was thinking we elected CSM representatives, not a bunch of yes-men. Watermarks are stupid. They're going to look stupid. Furthermore they're completely unnecessary.
CCP does not need ownership of the alliance logos in the game. All they need is an irrevocable, unconditional license to use. That's what we've been telling them from the very beginning, and it's something they've completely ignored.
If you actually cared, Steve, you or ANYONE ELSE in attendance would have mentioned this license to use, but nobody did. I'm completely underwhelmed by your handling of this situation.
So the holdup is not technical. Again, instead of regurgitating what they told you, dig a little bit deeper. The holdup is organizational culture and nothing more. This can be resolved now without any changes to the game code. No matter what happens you will not be happy. Really? Are you me? You know what'll make me happy? No, you aren't, and you don't.
Seem to have struck a nerve. Truth hurts.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2015.01.26 05:31:59 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Seem to have struck a nerve. Truth hurts. Are you 12? This is how 12 year olds argue.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
665
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Posted - 2015.01.26 12:20:24 -
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You seem to be under this mistaken impression that CCP must cater to you. CCP does not have to accept your logo. If they do this is how they are going to do it.
You forget that CCP is first and foremost a profit making company that operates a cross several nations. Their legal team told thin that if they were to accept player made logos this is how they need to do it to protect themselves. No matter how much you try to lawyer it and how much ranting you do. CCP says this is the way it will be done.
You now have three options
1. Keep your account and not submit your logo. 2. Keep your account and accept they way it is and submit your logo 3. Unsub in protest HTFU
CSM 10: Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Jenshae chrioptera
Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
69
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Posted - 2015.01.26 12:37:07 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Orlacc wrote:I thought a lawyer ran your outfit. So you want to sell stuff that's not yours and CCP won't let you? Cool. Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer? A: Accountants know they're boring.
As an accountant, I second this.
"Lykouleon wrote:
STOP
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ICONIC
SHIP
PARTS"
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
666
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Posted - 2015.01.26 12:49:48 -
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A housewife an accountant and a lawyer were asked how much is 2+2
The housewife says 4
The accountant says its ether 3 or 4. Let's run the numbers on my spreadsheet.
The lawyer pulls the drapes, dims the lights and asks in a hush tone "what number do you want it to be?
CSM 10: Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Jenshae chrioptera
Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
69
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Posted - 2015.01.26 12:52:22 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:A housewife an accountant and a lawyer were asked how much is 2+2
The housewife says 4
The accountant says its ether 2 or 8. Let's see what we need to end up with..
The lawyer pulls the drapes, dims the lights and asks in a hush tone "what number do you want it to be?
fixed it.
"Lykouleon wrote:
STOP
TOUCHING
ICONIC
SHIP
PARTS"
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
885
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Posted - 2015.01.26 13:04:13 -
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Shouldn't it just be something like 'By submitting your alliance logo to CCP for approval, you give full legal rights to use it however they want.'? The creator is the owner and CCP has rights to approve/disapprove and use it how they want in their videos and what not.
Sounds like a pretty typical EULA kind of thing. Not sure why CCP had to go all legal on alliance logos then not say anything for a year.
Not today spaghetti.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7661
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Posted - 2015.01.26 14:57:53 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:You seem to be under this mistaken impression that CCP must cater to you.
To be fair, there's plenty of evidence that CCP has done so for these guys over the years. I can't really blame them for having a tantrum because CCP is actually standing their ground this time.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
42
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Posted - 2015.01.26 15:12:34 -
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Looking at other companies' legal TOS regarding uploaded content, there are some consistent terms.
- you, as the uploader, must be the copyright holder or have written legal permission from the copyright holder to the IP being uploaded -worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license are the basic legaleze terms. -ending of said licence (due to deletion of accounts, etc)
That said, the 4 companies I looked at have each been subject to litigation, past and current, for use of IP uploaded by users. I don't blame CCP for it's diligence, as I doubt they have the deep legal resources of any of the companies I surveyed. They could simply say 'no', and be done with it. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
262
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Posted - 2015.01.26 16:29:03 -
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I have had to deal with this sort of stuff in one of the companies i once worked for many moons ago. It is compounded by 2 serious factors. Different countries, and in some of these countries you don't know the interpretation of the law until the court case is finished. Just that alone is expensive.
Sure you may think that something like irrecoverable whatever whatever is simple enough. But that is because you don't get $100 to explain why that won't work....
Lawyers, the profession that has no professionalism.
Death and Glory!
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DaReaper
Net 7
1716
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Posted - 2015.01.26 17:20:57 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:I have had to deal with this sort of stuff in one of the companies i once worked for many moons ago. It is compounded by 2 serious factors. Different countries, and in some of these countries you don't know the interpretation of the law until the court case is finished. Just that alone is expensive.
Sure you may think that something like irrecoverable whatever whatever is simple enough. But that is because you don't get $100 to explain why that won't work....
Lawyers, the profession that has no professionalism.
Exactly. Unless you are a lawyer and have actually delt with this issue, you really have no clue if your little idea will work or not. You are essentially like the eve player who thinks he has this brilliant idea, but once posted on the forums, experienced players rip it to shreads and shows why its wrong. For all we know, there might be a loophole or some odd law someplace dealing with ccp having a license to use said logo vs. owning it.
In this regard, i'll side with a team of lawyers opinion then the opinion of some random eve player with prolly no legal background thank you very much.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
70
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Posted - 2015.01.26 18:09:10 -
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All this Legal Mumble JumBo to Complicated for my Taste Where is a Lawyer on these forums when you need one?.We nee d some Official Council on this Legal issue.Someone who is a expert on Copyright and Trademark Laws governing this seriously.I Doubt anyone is Here including my self.
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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
5
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Posted - 2015.01.26 18:54:46 -
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DaReaper wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:I have had to deal with this sort of stuff in one of the companies i once worked for many moons ago. It is compounded by 2 serious factors. Different countries, and in some of these countries you don't know the interpretation of the law until the court case is finished. Just that alone is expensive.
Sure you may think that something like irrecoverable whatever whatever is simple enough. But that is because you don't get $100 to explain why that won't work....
Lawyers, the profession that has no professionalism. Exactly. Unless you are a lawyer and have actually delt with this issue, you really have no clue if your little idea will work or not. You are essentially like the eve player who thinks he has this brilliant idea, but once posted on the forums, experienced players rip it to shreads and shows why its wrong. For all we know, there might be a loophole or some odd law someplace dealing with ccp having a license to use said logo vs. owning it. In this regard, i'll side with a team of lawyers opinion then the opinion of some random eve player with prolly no legal background thank you very much.
The point is they have had ONE DAMN YEAR to do this dude. How much more time do ccps lawyers need to resolve this? 1 more year? 2 more years? Whenever they get around to fixing POS legacy code? After the Isktar nerf?
This is the point. Ccp stopped updating us 6months ago and lawyers been at it over ONE YEAR. Get new lawyers **** |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:02:32 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:You seem to be under this mistaken impression that CCP must cater to you. CCP does not have to accept your logo. If they do this is how they are going to do it. They have ALREADY accepted most of the logos in question. If you're not going to even bother trying to understand the issue here then you can **** off.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:04:09 -
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DaReaper wrote:Exactly. Unless you are a lawyer and have actually delt with this issue, you really have no clue if your little idea will work or not. Did you read any of the original thread? There were lawyers in it proposing the exact same solution that I am.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:09:45 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote:You seem to be under this mistaken impression that CCP must cater to you. To be fair, there's plenty of evidence that CCP has done so for these guys over the years. I can't really blame them for having a tantrum because CCP is actually standing their ground this time. Yeah, us being angry that CCP is reversing a stance they've held for years and making a mad grab for our intellectual property is definitely a tantrum. Yeah, there's no way that anger is actually justified or anything.
And who are "these guys"? Goonswarm? This isn't just a Goonswarm issue. This isn't just a CFC issue. Almost everyone who has a current alliance logo in the game or is trying to submit one is angry at CCP over this idiocy. Brave Collective still doesn't have their alliance logo in the game because of this idiocy. This isn't entitlement, it's a company that's treating us like children.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
666
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:15:18 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote:You seem to be under this mistaken impression that CCP must cater to you. CCP does not have to accept your logo. If they do this is how they are going to do it. They have ALREADY accepted most of the logos in question. If you're not going to even bother trying to understand the issue here then you can **** off.
Read your CSM winter minutes again they are purging all submitted logos and requiring you to re submit. Maybe you don't understand the issue?
And at the summer summit CCP came to the CSM with a proposed plan and csm (your so called yes men) raised some issues. At witch time CCP went back to their lawyers to adjust their plan to address those issue
You seem to be focused on attacking the poster and not the issue we raise.
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Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7664
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:24:33 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote: it's a company that's treating us like children.
So...what's your point? Act like a child, get treated like a child. Seems fine to me.
Unless you are a Millennial. Then acting like a child does get you your way. I don't suppose you were born in the nineties, were you? That would explain a lot.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:31:56 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote: it's a company that's treating us like children. So...what's your point? Act like a child, get treated like a child. Seems fine to me. I'm not acting like a child.
Mr Epeen wrote:Unless you are a Millennial. Then acting like a child does get you your way. I learned a long time ago that no, it doesn't. But go ahead and stereotype all you like.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1527
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:34:01 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote: it's a company that's treating us like children. So...what's your point? Act like a child, get treated like a child. Seems fine to me. I'm not acting like a child.
You are unhappy because CCP won't decide to do something the way you want them to. Child react like that often. So do childish adults. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:36:54 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:I'm not acting like a child.
Before first rant locked:
Primary This Rifter wrote:When are you going to get off your asses and resolve the alliance logo bullshit? After first rant locked:
Primary This Rifter wrote:As much as it pains me, fine, I'll be respectful and constructive.
Both words of a child.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:37:02 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote: it's a company that's treating us like children. So...what's your point? Act like a child, get treated like a child. Seems fine to me. I'm not acting like a child. You are unhappy because CCP won't decide to do something the way you want them to. Stop mischaracterizing.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:38:06 -
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Ad-homs galore. Nobody cares to address the issue anymore, so now they're saying that I'm acting like a child in a sad attempt to discredit me. It won't work.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
6
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:38:23 -
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I am a child so i dont understand why this is taking over ONE YEAR? Can a smart adult explain why ccp needs over one year for this issue?
Errrybody on their side still cant explain why they are taking over ONE YEAR. How much longer til resolved? How much longer til updated offical statement from them?
This is the issue adults |
Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
666
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:39:36 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote: it's a company that's treating us like children. So...what's your point? Act like a child, get treated like a child. Seems fine to me. I'm not acting like a child.
Let's see
Complaining about an issue your not fully informed on
Attacking those who challenge your postion and ignore their arguments
Whining about not getting your way
Claiming you know best about how to address an issue
Your right your not a child I would place you in early puberty.
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Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
666
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:40:32 -
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Kaelynne Rose wrote:I am a child so i dont understand why this is taking over ONE YEAR? Can a smart adult explain why ccp needs over one year for this issue?
Errrybody on their side still cant explain why they are taking over ONE YEAR. How much longer til resolved? How much longer til updated offical statement from them?
This is the issue adults
Because lawyers get paid by the hour and they haven't made enough money yet
CCP said at the summit that they are just waiting on the rendering group to address displaying logos in game that's where the hold up is currently
Side note I'm not a smart adult
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Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:42:44 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Attacking those who challenge your postion and ignore their arguments Except that's exactly what you, Frostys Virpio, Paranoid Loyd, and Mr Epeen are doing.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:45:52 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:No matter what happens you will not be happy. Get over it. This is the way CCP wants to run it, don't like it dont sub your account. Vote with your money cuz your mouth ain't doing the job.
Dradis Aulmais wrote:Seem to have struck a nerve. Truth hurts. But yeah, I'm totally the one who's attacking people and ignoring their arguments.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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