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Figur Edd
DONT TREAD ON ME
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:23:26 -
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link to reddit thread about avoiding the brunt of concords impact in highsec
Apperantly a Guy banned for using a technique that allowd him to ignore the full effect of Concorde punishment to gank in highsec has been unbanned and is currently continuing to use this technique to bank ppl with no defender possible "due to mechanics".
Ccp please do Something About this, otherwise if this gets widespread you might as Well remove freighters and bowheads from highsec. |

Corey Lean
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:27:02 -
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How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. That guy loses like 8 ships to kill one.
Those my friend are some consequences. |

Lugia3
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club Operation Pointy Stick
1481
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:29:08 -
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Because we needed another thread on hyperdunking.
Especially one which does nothing but link to another thread on hyperdunking.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3095
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:29:53 -
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Corey Lean wrote:How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. By losing 8 inconsequential ships to kill one very consequential ship.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:37:10 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Corey Lean wrote:How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. By losing 8 inconsequential ships to kill one very consequential ship. Losing 8 ships isn't inconsequential unless they're rookie ships.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7656
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:37:45 -
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Corey Lean wrote:How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. That guy loses like 8 ships to kill one.
Those my friend are some consequences.
Do you whine because it uses ammo to kill a ship, too?
Of course not. It's the cost of shooting things and you factor it in.
Just like the gank ship is a factored in cost. Think of it as a bigger piece of ammo. And just as inconsequential.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
107
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:40:40 -
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That's just your anti-cat pro-freighter bias speaking. Why don't we keep it civil, I won't call your ships of choice inconsequential and you won't call my ones inconsequential. We will come to the middle ground and agree that we're both uniquely special and that my ship is as consequential as yours, meaning that because he lost 8 of them he was punished very severely indeed. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7657
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:46:08 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:meaning that because he lost 8 of them he was punished very severely indeed. "He" didn't lose eight of them. He lost one.
Unless you're accusing him of doing what CCP specifically banned just this month.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
680
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:58:08 -
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Oh for the love of god. People find a way to shoot things in a thing shooting game. There is no safety. Get the **** over it.
Kudos to the guy for finding a workaround.
Vote Sabriz!
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Tear Jar
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
303
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:58:46 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:meaning that because he lost 8 of them he was punished very severely indeed. "He" didn't lose eight of them. He lost one. Unless you're accusing him of doing what CCP specifically banned just this month. Mr Epeen 
CCP has not publicly banned it this month. We don't know what was exchanged between CCP and the catalyst pilot. CCP may have told him the ban was in error and said what he did was okay. |

DaReaper
Net 7
1715
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Posted - 2015.01.26 05:01:38 -
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so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done
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Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.26 05:21:33 -
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DaReaper wrote:so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done
Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go "Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes."
Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again.
Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation.
LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT |

Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
24
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Posted - 2015.01.26 05:40:22 -
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Shailagh wrote:DaReaper wrote:so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go "Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes." Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again. Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation. LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT
lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over
The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok. |

Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2015.01.26 05:47:44 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Shailagh wrote:DaReaper wrote:so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go "Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes." Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again. Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation. LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok.
Afk ratting in null brings more minerals and ships than hisec miners and missioners and freighters dude. Game would survive just fine without despite my entire joy in life and reason for being is to grief and destroy them.... Agent Smith said "there are levels of survival we are willing to adapt too" or something like that bout killimg all all the humans in matrix even tho they "needed" them.
Theres no way to fix bumping dude. Its been debated for literaly years. No good solution. Also IF THE DUDE WASNT AFK /HAD FRIENDS HE WOULDNT DIE. This tactic basivally needs afk/logged off freighter. |

Jim Pooley
30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.01.26 06:12:31 -
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I stopped reading at "reddit". |

Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
24
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Posted - 2015.01.26 06:22:42 -
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Shailagh wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Shailagh wrote:DaReaper wrote:so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go "Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes." Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again. Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation. LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok. Afk ratting in null brings more minerals and ships than hisec miners and missioners and freighters dude. Game would survive just fine without despite my entire joy in life and reason for being is to grief and destroy them.... Agent Smith said "there are levels of survival we are willing to adapt too" or something like that bout killimg all all the humans in matrix even tho they "needed" them. Theres no way to fix bumping dude. Its been debated for literaly years. No good solution. Also IF THE DUDE WASNT AFK /HAD FRIENDS HE WOULDNT DIE. This tactic basivally needs afk/logged off freighter.
That is the dumbest thing I ever heard... Your argument is that Carebears don't run the game because people shooting red crosses in null sec is just as good... when in fact that is a carebear activity, one of the safest in the game.
By the way, those station eggs you will be doing all that "non-carebear" ship building in had to be built from materials somewhere.
The fact of this game is, without someone to make your ammo, research your bpo's, invent T2, haul the goods, make the goods and provide your ships there is no game.
All you guys are accomplishing is justifying the calls for nerfs to suicide ganking, and making high-sec even more carebear. If you want to gank a freighter, get 30 friends, don't be a jerk and do it using exploits. |

Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2015.01.26 06:42:33 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Shailagh wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Shailagh wrote:DaReaper wrote:so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go "Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes." Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again. Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation. LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok. Afk ratting in null brings more minerals and ships than hisec miners and missioners and freighters dude. Game would survive just fine without despite my entire joy in life and reason for being is to grief and destroy them.... Agent Smith said "there are levels of survival we are willing to adapt too" or something like that bout killimg all all the humans in matrix even tho they "needed" them. Theres no way to fix bumping dude. Its been debated for literaly years. No good solution. Also IF THE DUDE WASNT AFK /HAD FRIENDS HE WOULDNT DIE. This tactic basivally needs afk/logged off freighter. That is the dumbest thing I ever heard... Your argument is that Carebears don't run the game because people shooting red crosses in null sec is just as good... when in fact that is a carebear activity, one of the safest in the game. By the way, those station eggs you will be doing all that "non-carebear" ship building in had to be built from materials somewhere. The fact of this game is, without someone to make your ammo, research your bpo's, invent T2, haul the goods, make the goods and provide your ships there is no game. All you guys are accomplishing is justifying the calls for nerfs to suicide ganking, and making high-sec even more carebear. If you want to gank a freighter, get 30 friends, don't be a jerk and do it using exploits. Edit: How exactly does this guy counter the move of bumping alt and recycling cats to gank? He can't log off, he cant align and he cant get back to a gate... he is dead no matter what unless he can get a webbing alt and time his warp out.
Omfg how to avoid being bumped as been beaten to death... dude can Have a scout! U wanna move several Billion isk around SOLO? Bad idea and theres a ton of risk. Have scout go 150k away from you and reverse align alt to warp out. Or just have web alt. Or go search for the counless buno threads and the dozens of ways to avoid it If You Are At your keyboard though and logged in!
Most og globbys kills are from afk dudes or dudes that got pissed and logged off. If they had backup to move the 10billion isk around, theyd still have you. Do you think tou should go fly ur super around solo? No.
Also can just have an alt gank frieghter himself in noobship to spawn concord. **** you can see thw catas there, MAYBE BUMP THEM AWAY URSLEF?? LOL holy **** wow what an idea? !? ! Bumo the catas... But no
Youll just cry and complain cuz you cant play the game while you fold your laundry and watch netflix and when you comw back instead of having made a haul trip making millions ya lose billions.
IdUOT!
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
758
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Posted - 2015.01.26 07:25:48 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:That is the dumbest thing I ever heard... Your argument is that Carebears don't run the game because people shooting red crosses in null sec is just as good... when in fact that is a carebear activity, one of the safest in the game.
By the way, those station eggs you will be doing all that "non-carebear" ship building in had to be built from materials somewhere.
The fact of this game is, without someone to make your ammo, research your bpo's, invent T2, haul the goods, make the goods and provide your ships there is no game. I am not sure why you think carebears are so special and the only people in the game with access to the industry menu. I produce all my stuff I need for ganking myself. Since you always have a 15min criminal timer between ganks this is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
This includes Catalyst hulls, t1/t2 guns, t1/t2 mag stabs, the invention needed for the t2 BPC, the components needed for the t2 modules, etc. . I need to buy very few materials on the market for this, because almost all the minerals needed drop from the very highsec carebears I kill. You even get the lowsec ore because of the ore anomalies.
It is even more convenient now to do this, since CCP has removed all the slot restrictions and buffed Highsec production that way. Now I can produce all the stuff on site for a faster, better and less expensive carebear dunking experience.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.01.26 07:31:36 -
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+¬(n+íGÇó-ëGÇón+í)+ê hyperdunkuuuu +¬(n+íGÇó-ëGÇón+í)+ê |

Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 07:56:58 -
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Posting in a very poorly disguised stealth remove ganking thread. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8647
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Posted - 2015.01.26 08:51:05 -
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dunno about ye but i wouldn't call the bannhammer inconsequential
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
508
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:05:34 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Corey Lean wrote:How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. That guy loses like 8 ships to kill one.
Those my friend are some consequences. Do you whine because it uses ammo to kill a ship, too? Of course not. It's the cost of shooting things and you factor it in. Just like the gank ship is a factored in cost. Think of it as a bigger piece of ammo. And just as inconsequential. Mr Epeen  What a ridiculous argument. 8 ships is 8 ships, whether it's one person losing all 8 or 8 people losing 1 each. Whether or not this is a factored cost is irrelevant. The cost of ammo isn't inconsequential, it's just relatively small.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
275
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:08:26 -
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Figur Edd wrote:link to reddit thread about avoiding the brunt of concords impact in highsecApperantly a Guy banned for using a technique that allowd him to ignore the full effect of Concorde punishment to gank in highsec has been unbanned and is currently continuing to use this technique to bank ppl with no defender possible "due to mechanics". Ccp please do Something About this, otherwise if this gets widespread you might as Well remove freighters and bowheads from highsec.
The player was banned. CCP acted by calling it an exploit, what else do you want?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
32029
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:03:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Corey Lean wrote:How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. That guy loses like 8 ships to kill one.
Those my friend are some consequences. Do you whine because it uses ammo to kill a ship, too? Of course not. It's the cost of shooting things and you factor it in. Just like the gank ship is a factored in cost. Think of it as a bigger piece of ammo. And just as inconsequential. Mr Epeen  Surely the freighter or bowhead is just also a cost of hauling. Inconsequential loss.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:04:51 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:... drink coffee before posting ... I can confirm that this is very sound advice.
That said, thread locked.
The Rules: 11. Discussion of warnings and bans is prohibited.
Such matters shall remain private between CCP and the involved user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through email or private messaging. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including support ticket responses and emails) received from any member of CCP staff.
16. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation.
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