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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.27 03:49:00 -
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Maxed skill
cerbeus 5 launchers
Kenetic- dps: 208 dpm: 257
other- dps: 166 dpm: 206
Nighthawk 6 launchers
Kenetic- dps: 187 dpm: 257
others- dps: 149 dpm: 206
same test, but with maxed BCU t2 allowed. so 5 for nh and 4 for cerb.
cerbeus 5 launchers
Kenetic- dps: 372 dpm: 342
other- dps: 297 dpm: 274
Nighthawk 6 launchers
Kenetic- dps: 372 dpm: 360
others- dps: 297 dpm: 288
heavy missile speed: 8000+ on cerb.
5000+ on nighthawk (Anti frig ship that cant even catch up with frigs.)
most frigs will do 4000-6000 and around 10000 with implants.
Cerberus makes a better antifrig ship in my Experience.
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to be honest i dont mind this unbalance so much since the nighthawk comes with the extra tank, but you gotta loose some damage or tank if you are to equip a gang assist module.
what should be done?
Remove one of the Frig bonuses and change it to Velocity. 50% velocity will have a better chance of killing frigs, at least it will catch up with them.
Cerberus. is annoying because its a long range hac, it can hit from 196km assuming you have 2 sensor booster, 20 seconds to impact.
without the 10% flight time, cerberus can still hit up to 130km.
what to change the skill to?
anything but flight time.
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.27 05:14:00 -
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And nurf amarrs  they are c**p atm, but make em completly useless.
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Uglyone
Hunter Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.27 06:05:00 -
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i dont see any gun that is able to hit something going at 7k/sec while having a full tank and gank on at the same time.
nerf caldari pls.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.27 06:21:00 -
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I dont see how you can just look at the damage and ignore the tanking ability of the nighthawk? The tank is its biggest strength, isnt it?
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.27 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Uglyone
i dont see any gun that is able to hit something going at 7k/sec while having a full tank and gank on at the same time.
nerf caldari pls.
lol.
the damn thin gabout caladari is the price. i wish i was minmatar.
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Stribog
Caldari
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.27 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
the damn thin gabout caladari is the price. i wish i was minmatar.
Yeah, i heard Vagabonds are dirt cheap now. 
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.27 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stribog
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
the damn thin gabout caladari is the price. i wish i was minmatar.
Yeah, i heard Vagabonds are dirt cheap now.
nah they re not./
i can get em for 80 though. i know a friend of a friend ; p
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 27/09/2006 16:18:27
" dont see any gun that is able to hit something going at 7k/sec while having a full tank and gank on at the same time.
nerf caldari pls."
most stupid statement of the day.
if ud think twice about what u write instead of givin us one nerf caldari comment, ud realize that missiles dont do any dmg at 3kms and above.
only the flycather woukld hit, with maybe 50 per hit at that speed,
go and check the missile guide in the stickies to learn more before crying with the others.
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:25:00 -
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why is it only the threads about something that aint even in game get a dev reply.
like that tier 3 BS thread.
this is about something all ready in game, and i would rather have all the bugs fixed and kali delayed.
after RMR, CCP should ve learned their lessom.
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Bluetit
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:40:00 -
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i have to say i just got a nighthawk and found it disappointing. It can't cach anything smaller than it. doesn't do enough damage for anything bigger than it.
the cerb is a better pve ship.
the vukture a better tank group ship.
the night hawk has no benefits i can see
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Uglyone
i dont see any gun that is able to hit something going at 7k/sec while having a full tank and gank on at the same time.
nerf caldari pls.
I bet I can hit an inty that's going 7 km/s, until a turret.
It's called transversal, and if it's at 0, speed doesn't matter.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:25:00 -
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Also, the Nighthawk would be 'fixed' if they base it off of the Drake.
You figure the Drake's supposedly getting 7 launchers. It'll hopefully have a ROF and missile velocity bonus. The ROF will replace the 5% shields, upping DPS, dropping tank.
Then they give it 2 gang bonuses base off of the command ship skill (something that should be done to EVERY CBC).
I think 7 launchers, with a rof bonus, would be good for the command CBC, or give it some real anti frig bonuses, granted they'll still be pretty much worthless vs inties.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bluetit
i have to say i just got a nighthawk and found it disappointing. It can't cach anything smaller than it. doesn't do enough damage for anything bigger than it.
the cerb is a better pve ship.
the vukture a better tank group ship.
the night hawk has no benefits i can see
Thats exactly my point, its stupid, nuts, *****head idea who ever came up with that.
a frig killing command ship, my a55.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Also, the Nighthawk would be 'fixed' if they base it off of the Drake.
You figure the Drake's supposedly getting 7 launchers. It'll hopefully have a ROF and missile velocity bonus. The ROF will replace the 5% shields, upping DPS, dropping tank.
Then they give it 2 gang bonuses base off of the command ship skill (something that should be done to EVERY CBC).
I think 7 launchers, with a rof bonus, would be good for the command CBC, or give it some real anti frig bonuses, granted they'll still be pretty much worthless vs inties.
best frig bonus is velocity not signature radius, whats the point if you cant catch.
a launcher isntead of a turret will be enogh at least instead of any rof bonus.
at least match it with a cerb instead of making it better.
I witnessed a wat fight today between an EOS(fleet command) and a nighthawk (field comman)
now we all know field command should beat a field command, not this time.
the eos outdamages the nighthawk and outtanks it.
vulture dosnt do that. btw, have you seen a vulsture in space latlY?
Nighthawk got shreded while eos still ahd 90% armor. it was embaressing. fight lasted 3 minutes thereabout.
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ElrondMD
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.09.28 12:24:00 -
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So in summary, the Nighthawk isnt worth training for?
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Stribog
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
the damn thin gabout caladari is the price. i wish i was minmatar.
Yeah, i heard Vagabonds are dirt cheap now.
Three words for you, corp owned bpo.
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Garramon
Gallente
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.28 14:02:00 -
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My friend made a mistake and purchased two Nighthawks. Since he needed cash I bought it off him (I can fly the ship). I had it for about two weeks, attempted to fit it, and gave up cause it sucks.
I'll stick with my Gallente CS.
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:12:00 -
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i actually both 6, and all ready started selling them off.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 28/09/2006 17:25:34
one of the devs posted the plan to change one of the NH precision skills into 'something else' what this something else is i dunno, personally i'm hoping for an increase in missile range (so flighttime or speed) and a change in base targetting range for the ship itself as well.
but any damage bonus would do.
So if this happens... u will have a tank AND gank machine.
My suggestion, go buy a few nighthawks now there cheap, chances are they will become more expensive come kali.*
*please note that i take no responsibility if this isn't gonna happen
EDIT: if u guys are actually selling them i'll take one for 100 mill, contact me ingame. seriously.
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Duke Yaker
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:04:00 -
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devs also posted assaullt missiles, and also t2 bs will be out by last xmas,
dont believe what the devs say, just believe the patsh note when you see it released.
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Wrayeth
Outcast Brotherhood
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:23:00 -
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The combination of crap DPS, crap missile velocity, and lack of mobility is exactly why I'm training for a sleipnir instead of the nighthawk.
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Shreven Bulks
Meridian Arms Research Combine
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:43:00 -
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Both "frig swatting" bonuses can GO. A rate of fire bonus would put her about on par with the other field CSs which is what everyone who sees the potential of this boat is most concerned about. The other bonus can be for snowball explosion radius for all I care.
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:19:00 -
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i think its time for me to switch to minmatar, i had enogh of this s**T
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Denrace
Amarr
Psykotic Dreams
Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:42:00 -
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Change the Nighthawk into a Caldari DPS boat.
Problem solved.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:57:00 -
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give it 700dps, if its missile range is caped to 10km [after skills, 10km MAX] , needs a target painter to do full dmg to crusiers [where the others need a web] [so missile sig in the order of 140*1.375= about 190m].
oh and that 700dps needs to be with some gimped t2 missiles! so say 500dps with std t1 missiles. oh and needs to keep the kin bonous to make it caldari, no mini raven with any dmg type! and shouldnt need to mention this, but u guys do fly caldari, those dps numbers are with 3 dmg mods!
so turn the nighthawk into a dps machine, give it 700-750DPS while using missiles that have 200 sig and go 10km MAX. that should be with 3 dmg mods t2 and max skills with implants. the t2 ammo should also then have a massive cap recharge penalty, and a armor hp penalty
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.29 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
give it 700dps, if its missile range is caped to 10km [after skills, 10km MAX] , needs a target painter to do full dmg to crusiers [where the others need a web] [so missile sig in the order of 140*1.375= about 190m].
oh and that 700dps needs to be with some gimped t2 missiles! so say 500dps with std t1 missiles. oh and needs to keep the kin bonous to make it caldari, no mini raven with any dmg type! and shouldnt need to mention this, but u guys do fly caldari, those dps numbers are with 3 dmg mods!
so turn the nighthawk into a dps machine, give it 700-750DPS while using missiles that have 200 sig and go 10km MAX. that should be with 3 dmg mods t2 and max skills with implants. the t2 ammo should also then have a massive cap recharge penalty, and a armor hp penalty
you my friend are nuts.
i want the nighthawk to be better.
but you re just exagerating.
iam looking here for no more than a 50% improvment not 300%
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.09.29 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
i think its time for me to switch to minmatar, i had enogh of this s**T
I did that after trainning for the NH, and you know what, it's a dream.
Heavy missile launcher II - 8m -- 720mm II 2.5m 425mm II - 1m
BCU II - 10m -- Gyro II - 500k
Anyone see a padron here? Nighhawk, on top of being the crappiest of the ships in eve, like every other caldari ship is overf***ingexpensive to fit. Sincerelly hope Kali fixes the R&D/tech 2 issues. Anyway, I'm flying Sleipnir now and I love it.
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MrRookie
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2006.09.29 10:04:00 -
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The only thing good about the NH is that it can use fury missiles with smaller exp radius and higher exp speed than a Cerb would do with regular missiles.
The bonuses are nearly pointless for dealing with interceptors though. They should make the prediction skill a rof bonus
*guy being attacked by a pirat in a complex
Originally by: Noluck Ned
*Notify* Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for the gatekeeper to respawn
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itachi XIV
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Posted - 2006.09.29 18:07:00 -
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 devs thought caladari cares more about the look
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 29/09/2006 20:47:19
Originally by: Ishmael Hansen
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
i think its time for me to switch to minmatar, i had enogh of this s**T
I did that after trainning for the NH, and you know what, it's a dream.
Heavy missile launcher II - 8m -- 720mm II 2.5m 425mm II - 1m
BCU II - 10m -- Gyro II - 500k
Anyone see a padron here? Nighhawk, on top of being the crappiest of the ships in eve, like every other caldari ship is overf***ingexpensive to fit. Sincerelly hope Kali fixes the R&D/tech 2 issues. Anyway, I'm flying Sleipnir now and I love it.
by february, i could be maxed on everything needed for a vaga, so i guese its worth it. sicne i got nothing else to train.
see, never thought i would be switching race.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
give it 700dps, if its missile range is caped to 10km [after skills, 10km MAX] , needs a target painter to do full dmg to crusiers [where the others need a web] [so missile sig in the order of 140*1.375= about 190m].
oh and that 700dps needs to be with some gimped t2 missiles! so say 500dps with std t1 missiles. oh and needs to keep the kin bonous to make it caldari, no mini raven with any dmg type! and shouldnt need to mention this, but u guys do fly caldari, those dps numbers are with 3 dmg mods!
so turn the nighthawk into a dps machine, give it 700-750DPS while using missiles that have 200 sig and go 10km MAX. that should be with 3 dmg mods t2 and max skills with implants. the t2 ammo should also then have a massive cap recharge penalty, and a armor hp penalty
Stop trolling, your posts aren't funny, they aren't witty, they're just taking up space.
Also I have no problems with doing 700DPS with assault missiles at 10km, because heavies will be up around 500DPs then, and I can live with that.
Oh, you forgot it's possible to use longer range weapons on the others and still horribly out DPS the Caldari CBCs? Now you know.
Drop the 5% shields for a 5% rof, and that'd probably be enough, despite still having 2 bonuses that won't mean anything vs a fast frig.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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