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wamingo	Posted - 2003.10.26 16:36:00 - [31] thanks mate, guess I'll change to another agent until the patch comes out. -- I won't not promise to avoid refraining from harming you! .... What?
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.26 17:10:00 - [32] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 26/10/2003 17:16:47 379 and nothing... I think it's safe to say that charisma and social skill means jack all and ****. Convert Stations
Ryes Ammal	Posted - 2003.10.26 17:51:00 - [33] The GM who responded to my petition (submitted under the "stuck missions" category btw), agreed to forward my complaint on to the Devs after about 3 rounds of discussion. So, at least some GM's are promising to bump these complaints up the ladder at least. I'd bet we get more bumps and likely some increased chance of Dev action if more of you submitted petitions. But you'd better hurry, because there is probably a zero chance anything will be done after the new agent system is released. ----- Eve - the place where is pays to be lucky to get ahead. But don't count on hard work my friend. It is no substitute for a +20 luckstone.
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2003.10.26 19:23:00 - [34] They are 'fixing' it, or have already. The new agent system will totally revamp the existing code. Why should they work on fixing this old code when its all going away soon? ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Mi Canio	Posted - 2003.10.26 19:25:00 - [35] Is it worth me doing Agent missions? I just created a new alt and am 20 missions into my first agent - from what i can gather its a bit of a waste of time when you get up to lv 3 agents.......... Ensign Mi Canio - MIL Div. - Combat Air Patrol
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.26 19:28:00 - [36] Why? 'Cause they're screwing over a great many people doing these missions, that's why. I expect to be handed the miner II blueprint by a wayward jovian any day now, thank you. Convert Stations
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2003.10.26 19:35:00 - [37] Well, theyre not really 'screwing' over people, remember there were no rewards from agents before. Their mistake was maybe introducing these rewards in the first place just to placate the very few people who at the time were doing it. Few people who werent complaining btw. Although admitedly, one might argue against having introduced agents at all untill they were ready. But then you'd have to argue about releasing the game at all untill it was ready :/ Regardless, the 'work' that youre doing now may be transfered over to the new agent system, so you could be far ahead of anyone else anyways. Maybe betting on later is better than any crummy bp you can get now? ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.26 19:55:00 - [38] Yeah like it's ever going to play out that way, that's why everyones pre-patch missions counted last time around... I'm getting screwed over on missions I've spent the better part of the latest month doing and kept on doing to get the advertised blueprint. This is getting to sound all too familiar and similar to real life salespitches... Convert Stations
Phaethon	Posted - 2003.10.26 21:48:00 - [39] Well, last rumour is that concord agents are going to be disabled and not as prevoiusly stated given something along the lines of implants or whatever. Guess we'll all meet up at Morkt's 4B, for a little whine and dine once the next patch comes up, and all the old mistakes are replaced by some brand new ones WTB. Infifitrator I drones
Angelsfist	Posted - 2003.10.27 13:59:00 - [40] I got my bp mission when my minmatar faction was at above 5 and my ammar faction was at -2. The mission count for my agent was 277. Hope this helps.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.27 14:43:00 - [41] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 27/10/2003 15:43:33 So what does that tell you? Do a half-assed job and you'll get rewarded? My minmatar standing has been 6.0 for well over 300 missions and my amarr standing -6.0 for the better part of those 300. One would think the more the better... 400 missions, numerous neural implants, 2 modules awarded, one of which were useful, no referals, no combat missions, which again means no modules and no blueprint mission. I thought my agent was trying to kill me sending me to Yulai repeatedly, when he saw that didn't work he decided to bore me to death... Convert Stations
Pirindolo	Posted - 2003.10.28 09:26:00 - [42] In Zrakor's words, the BP mission is still working. A few people did get it in the last days after 250 to 270 missions, but it seems that most of the players doing agent missions are being very "unlucky" (?+?+?+?+). Is there any limit in which it will be sure you get the BP mission? 550 missions, as stated some weeks ago?
Paul Dubois	Posted - 2003.10.28 23:40:00 - [43] Danton, pretty much similar story for me, havent had a combat mission in almost 200 missions, and I have a feeling this'll mean I have no chance whatsoever of getting the BP mission. Have another similar level 3 in the same corp who Ive done maybe 40 for, still gives out combat so its not corp related. Would be nice if someone on the dev team actually checked and let us know, preferably before the patch as I would be more than a little annoyed if the same bug remained in the system because they weren't aware of it, that and the thought of doing 100s of more cargo missions for this damn agent for no good reason.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.29 00:05:00 - [44] Quote: Would be nice if someone on the dev team actually checked and let us know, No, that would be miraculous, not "nice". FWIW the entire BP missiona ward is down to pure luck. That's the official GM stance as checked with the CCP Devs. Luck. (How so many people tend to be so lucky within such a narrow grouping of mission nubmers though is really a matter for study and has amazed interstellar mathematicians)
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.29 00:19:00 - [45] I'd like to motion for the re-instatement of the beta function where you could put a bounty on the head of agents and subsequently kill them. I want this guy and his entire bloodline ran through a meat mincer! 445Infinity. Convert Stations
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.29 01:28:00 - [46] totally disilluisioned about the whole game tbh... cant believe such a cruddy system was even contemplated let alone used. pretty much wasted three weeks of game time when ic ould've been doing a hundred more interesting and profitable things... even some that are gasp enjoyable. truly sucks. Possibly the worst element is that the devs havent even deigned to comment, there is no "help" or assitance, note ven a query into whether it is, was or could be a bug - total blanket stonewall silence. Can you spot the "valued customers" signs? Can you hell.
Murple	Posted - 2003.10.29 03:25:00 - [47] I think a stats person would have a field day over this. How can they explain it as good luck/bad luck when the statistical variances are so out of whack? Gotta love my city-sized roid vacuum cleaner!
Xtra Bitter	Posted - 2003.10.29 07:30:00 - [48] To quote from my petition (i shouldnt need to do the maths is obvious) "Im sorry as i previously stated (and i can/will do the maths if required) the giving of these missions if far from completely random. There is NOT ONE reported incidence of an agent giving a BP mission after mission 325. Also if it was completely random there would be incidences of receiving the BP mission prior to mission 250 this is also not the case. All the people getting the BP mission get it between mission 250 and 325 mostly around mission 280. If you are aware of one person getting the BP mission outside these parameters please let me know otherwise your completely random statement is at best a guess or more likely what should be happening but ISNT" The reply (feels like banging head against a brick wall) "I have talked to the devs about this issue and they have confirmed what the GMs have replied to you before on this issue. The frequency of these missions that give BPs is random to some point and no guarantees given.Furthermore, there is no guarantee either that the agent in question gives missions with BPs in general. No bugs have been discovered in the system at this point, so it's really a matter of being lucky or not." Which seems to say its random and its not random at the same time. Apparently its also possible to do 456 missions and not recive a referral and this isnt a bug either. The most unlucky person in EVE is me.
Darklogan	Posted - 2003.10.29 10:37:00 - [49] The Unlucky Team 420 amarr faction agent 340 gallente faction agent 370 caldari faction agent All after implants patch. We never receive a BP. We ask NOW all tech 2 BP only for us.
Krashtest	Posted - 2003.10.29 11:20:00 - [50] Morkt , you have stated that you have gotten 1 bp though , was that with the same character ? If so , then you may only be able to get 1 bp mission per character, even if you switch to a different race agent and all. Have any other characters also received a bp from another race agent , and are now not getting another from a different race agent?? Your Mega Afocal Pulse Maser I perfectly strikes Asteroid (Veldspar) [R0ME], wrecking for 798.3 damage. Your 425mm Railgun I perfectly strikes Guardian Captain, wrecking for 685.9 damage.
Othnark	Posted - 2003.10.29 12:36:00 - [51] The answer seems to be buried in extra's petition response, which I cant blieve hasnt been removed and the thread locked down... Quote: Furthermore, there is no guarantee either that the agent in question gives missions with BPs in general. It seems that not all l3 agents give BP rewards. I guess that means you better figure it out and at some point quit doing missions for the agent. Yuo have been unlucky, you got a L3 agent that doesnt give BPs. Not unlucky in that you never "get the roll" for the BP mission. Aint this a kick in the pants? -Othnark
Tharrn	Posted - 2003.10.29 13:13:00 - [52] The trouble is that you will only find out after about 100 hours of mindnumbing fed-exing. Doesn't sound very appealing as implants and BPs are about the only incentive to do agent missions.
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2003.10.29 13:17:00 - [53] Its already been stated that the only Lvl 3 agents that give any BPs or implants are race faction agents. You wont get anything at all with any other agent, 'cept ammatar. ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.29 13:31:00 - [54] Quote: Morkt , you have stated that you have gotten 1 bp though , was that with the same character ? If so , then you may only be able to get 1 bp mission per character, even if you switch to a different race agent and all. Have any other characters also received a bp from another race agent , and are now not getting another from a different race agent?? Different agent, different faction. DEV already said youc an get one BP per faction (4 total) Yes other-race people have received BPs..
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.29 14:29:00 - [55] Quote: Hi Danton. We have raised this issue woth the devs and they have assured us that the system works and that you should have a chance to get the mission. Unfortunately we can't be more specific, since we are not allowed to lay bare the inner workings of the mission system. We are sorry that you have had such a hard time with the missions and hope that you'll get your fair share of the rewards soon. Since they were non specific I have to assume that the vagueness of their reply although crystal clear isn't revealing anything sensitive. Convert Stations
Pirindolo	Posted - 2003.10.29 14:47:00 - [56] Edited by: Pirindolo on 29/10/2003 15:12:09 It would be funny if after having work 3 weeks to put 500 million ISK together, you go to the NPC market to buy a Battleship. You pay the 500 millions and then... "Oh, you have been unlucky: NO Battleship for you this time. We are soooooo sorry...Have a nice day, and thanks for the 500 millions and your 3 weeks!!!"
Cliff Yablonski	Posted - 2003.10.29 15:04:00 - [57] Yeh that works when stocks run out, pirindolo.
Pirindolo	Posted - 2003.10.29 15:17:00 - [58] Quote: Yeh that works when stocks run out, pirindolo. Yes, but that is a general problem, for every people. It is not related to how lucky you or the others are, and you can use your money in other stuff. What is happening with the BP missions is that, if you are unlucky, you lose all your invested time (more than 3 weeks in many cases). NOTE: I edited my post
Xtra Bitter	Posted - 2003.10.29 18:18:00 - [59] Quote: The Unlucky Team 420 amarr faction agent 340 gallente faction agent 370 caldari faction agent All after implants patch. We never receive a BP. We ask NOW all tech 2 BP only for us. Have any of you had referals to other agents from the agents in question and what are there ratings ?
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.29 19:13:00 - [60] Since I've been rather vocal about the blueprint issue it's only right that I come here to declare that I've gotten my print now, at mission 454. Still a huge difference between the lucky and cursed ones... Convert Stations

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