not voting for you solely because of your view on mining. miners HAVE the game they want, a way to progress or socialize with buddies in EVE while at work or otherwise preoccupied with life on a second screen. Changing mining to be more "active" based would just force miners to sit there and stare at the rocks for hours on end, rather than engage with friends or paperwork.

in other words, you hate miners and want them to be slaves to minigames. no thank you, not supported, never ever, nope.

not voting for you solely because of your view on mining. miners HAVE the game they want, a way to progress or socialize with buddies in EVE while at work or otherwise preoccupied with life on a second screen. Changing mining to be more "active" based would just force miners to sit there and stare at the rocks for hours on end, rather than engage with friends or paperwork.

in other words, you hate miners and want them to be slaves to minigames. no thank you, not supported, never ever, nope.

Not trying to be a ****, but you realize that you can both mine and socialize with buddies at the same time right? I used to be a highsec miner and I did it and it wasn't difficult at all. If you're mad because this may make it harder for you to play a game while you're at work, all I can say is I want your job.

[its not just at work, its i dont want to be trying to find time to type in chat while having to play some absurd minigame EVERY LAST ONE of these "improve mining" ideas turn into.

Basically everything that can be trivially escalated horizontally has to be reworked. Banning broadcasting in ISBoxer was the best thing ever.

Do you want to mine AFK? Ok, so be it but if you mine and pay attention, you should get rewarded accordingly.

so ask yourself, how do you see making mining actually FUN with any mechanic, considering they will be doing the exact same thing say, 500-1000 times a day if they are "active".

this would drive OUT more miners than it would attract, mining AFK or not (and im not saying i want to mine AFK, just be able to focus on chatting in the chat boxes instead of being forced to play the same interaction over and over and over again on screen. its the primary reason why I, and most miners, mine instead of mission)

so ask yourself, how do you see making mining actually FUN with any mechanic, considering they will be doing the exact same thing say, 500-1000 times a day if they are "active".

this would drive OUT more miners than it would attract, mining AFK or not (and im not saying i want to mine AFK, just be able to focus on chatting in the chat boxes instead of being forced to play the same interaction over and over and over again on screen. its the primary reason why I, and most miners, mine instead of mission)

I find it rather odd you admit you don't find an activity fun, yet you continuously do said activity and vehemently oppose any proposed changes to it. You're admitting you want to play EVE by not playing the game and doing something else. Please think about that for a couple of minutes.

I can at least make a LITTLE isk while chatting with friends and doing business work, so I can afford a couple frigs for a weekend roam when im NOT at work..

And I'm not against that like I already explained. But I think that people paying attention should get more.

but thats not how supply and demand works, you either drastically nerf semi-passive mining's rate to the point its not worth doing so people will actually DO the active version, or you make the active version several magnitudes more "valuable", but since this is just grabbing resources, it will just increase the mineral influx, driving down all the prices, until the active version is at the same if not slightly above current, and the passive is no longer able to make any income whatsoever.

remember gun mining? that was basically the "pay attention and get more minerals than regular mining" option, CCP removed it because it ended up being a significant source of minerals, and a primary reason why mining was such ****** income then to begin with.

but thats not how supply and demand works, you either drastically nerf semi-passive mining's rate to the point its not worth doing so people will actually DO the active version, or you make the active version several magnitudes more "valuable", but since this is just grabbing resources, it will just increase the mineral influx, driving down all the prices, until the active version is at the same if not slightly above current, and the passive is no longer able to make any income whatsoever.

remember gun mining? that was basically the "pay attention and get more minerals than regular mining" option, CCP removed it because it ended up being a significant source of minerals, and a primary reason why mining was such ****** income then to begin with.

UNless active version comes with some added perk that has direct implication on just simple "resource" grabbing mechanism. in either way, the idea isnt to maintain the status quo of the market, but rather to make sure that active mining is able to compete with an army of bots, at which points, yes, chances are they will be on equal footing in terms of raw market impact, but the difference is taht a newbro flying a venture actively mining might be able to keep up with 2 botted accounts afk-mining.


Also, migui +1

What do you think should be done about the New Player Experience to help with player retention? You mentioned not wanting new players to grind for PLEX to sub their accounts, but you didn't say much else about the NPE.

I don't hate miners.

Don't want them out, murdered or anything but I think that mining makes new people stuck themselves and missing a huge part of the game which is sad.

Do you want to mine while you are not there? For hours just because it is a very poor way of making Isk?

Well that sure is a relief.

Knowing you don't want miners "out, murdered or anything". Right now I'm feeling the sort of gratitude that was likely felt by lepers in medieval times on hearing the new local lord wasn't going to burn down their camp and drive them over a cliff and into the sea.

And go right ahead promoting the idea that miners spend all their time magically mining afk for hours on end. The secret must be in one of those guides to making isk in Eve I keep seeing ads for.

No one I know has ever subscribed to Eve because they got all excited about being a miner. But a lot of people do get drawn in because of the opportunity make stuff. Some of those folks like to make stuff in small groups or on their own and derive pleasure from resource gathering themselves and that requires a LOT of time spent mining. But when you've churned out your manufactured item the mining grind seems worth it and whether as a corp, group or individual you get to experience a real sense of achievement.

Oh, and believe it or not a lot of us miners do things other than mine. This is my 10th year in Eve and I'm still happy.
So no need feel sad on my behalf

:)

As I said before, I signed the occupancy-sov proposal so there is that. I do like the GÇ£El diginGÇÖs solutionGÇ¥ back in a few months ago.