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Colesef Furtherance. 0	Posted - 2015.01.30 00:54:48 - [1] - Quote I've found numerous fits for missile boats to run 4/10s, but haven't been able to find any for Amarr Laser cruisers. What would one look like, I understand resists, but what about the other mods?
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 933	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:38:28 - [2] - Quote i think you might need guns possibly laz0rs drones could help too. And the reason why missile boats are good is because they can orbit at the highest velocity possible without hurting their own damage as missiles don't depend on tracking. Though laser cruisers are more than capable of doing 4/10s
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 607	Posted - 2015.01.30 07:36:49 - [3] - Quote A Stratios. Yeah, it's primarily drones but also using lasers However for pure lasers this is the best I can come up with: Zealot [Zealot, PvE] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Corpii A-Type EM Plating Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink 10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Legion...... coming soon
Colesef Furtherance. 0	Posted - 2015.01.30 07:47:19 - [4] - Quote Spugg Galdon wrote: A Stratios. Yeah, it's primarily drones but also using lasers However for pure lasers this is the best I can come up with: Zealot [Zealot, PvE] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Corpii A-Type EM Plating Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink 10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Legion...... coming soon THANKS! I needed this badly.
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 607	Posted - 2015.01.30 08:18:15 - [5] - Quote [Legion, PvE - Lasers] Damage Control II Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Energized EM Membrane II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script 'Thurifer' Large Capacitor Battery I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst as good as the Zealot but with a better tank and a probe launcher
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 985	Posted - 2015.01.30 13:32:40 - [6] - Quote The problem T2 lasers ships have is that their T2 resists don't mesh well with laser damage types, so either the tank will be mediocre or applied dps will be terrible. If you do sites vs Sansha you get TDed to fck so without drones it's going to be annoying to kill orbiting frigs. Against Blood Raiders it's downright dangerous; if they catch you they'll scram, web, TD AND neut you. Some escalations (even from high sec sites) will neut you from 40km away and even a Stratios with a large battery will be out of cap VERY quickly to a point where you even lose hardeners (hence me fitting a plate, which normally makes no sense for PVE), and that's without firing cap hungry lasers. they're far from ideal, sadly.
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 985	Posted - 2015.01.30 13:35:51 - [7] - Quote Spugg Galdon wrote: [Legion, PvE - Lasers] T3 can't enter 4/10
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2244	Posted - 2015.01.30 19:59:07 - [8] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Spugg Galdon wrote: [Legion, PvE - Lasers] T3 can't enter 4/10 This. OP, if you don't want to go to low and/or don't like the Legion I posted in your other thread, you could try either the aforementioned Stratios or I suppose try a Zealot: [Zealot, explodation] Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Carry a probe launcher, mobile depot, and scan mods for when you're not fighting. You're limiting yourself to 4/10s but you'll complete them so easily it won't be funny. Oh, you may want to have a web or two available instead of the TCs if elite frigates get too close, but a bit of manual piloting, tracking scripts, and Gleam should work most of the time.
Aralieus The Inf1dels 247	Posted - 2015.01.31 00:43:51 - [9] - Quote Here is what I have used in Sansha and Blood Raider DED's: [Omen Navy Issue, DED 4] Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Reactive Armor Hardener Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer (Deadspace repairers are cheapish and well worth the investment) Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II (Drop this for a DC II if you're needing more tank or a another Heat Sink II if more DPS) Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Salvager I (Offline this until you need it to save on CPU) Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Acolyte II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Some delicious stats... You can fit all this with just a power-grid implant or drop a Nano Pump and add a Ancillary Current Router if you don't want to rip out an expensive implant just to make this fit. The Sansha sites are alot easier to finish than the BR because of the nueting (part of the reason I went for cap longevity compared to recharge) however both can be done if you keep you transversal up and speed tank a lot of the incoming DPS with your high base speed and small sig, things the Zealot lack. Don't get me wrong, Zealot is a great ship just not in this capacity. Navy Omen is just better than it in the areas that count the most when it comes to running and completing DED sites in a respectable time frame. ONI has better cap amount, speed, signature radius, a drone bay (which is crucial when you're dealing with scramming frigs), agility, armor buffer and cap recharge. Here are the stats side by side for comparison: Omen Navy Issue vs Zealot Zealot is an awesome armor HAC fleet ship but ONI has it beat hands down when it comes to running DED's. What beats both of these ships tho is a Stratios, that thing is absolute beast...with a cloak. Oderint Dum Metuant
Orlacc 765	Posted - 2015.01.31 02:21:26 - [10] - Quote I second the Omen for lazors. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 994	Posted - 2015.01.31 03:05:18 - [11] - Quote Don't use reactive hardeners, especially not on a cruiser, and don't use semi conductor rigs.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 550	Posted - 2015.01.31 04:53:54 - [12] - Quote Colesef wrote: I've found numerous fits for missile boats to run 4/10s, but haven't been able to find any for Amarr Laser cruisers. What would one look like, I understand resists, but what about the other mods? You said missiles and lazors. The ship you are looking for is the Phantasm. Fit lazors and win. signature
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2249	Posted - 2015.01.31 06:24:44 - [13] - Quote I'll go ahead and endorse the ONI too. But what's wrong with SMCs on (some) cruisers? If you're not going for cap stability you usually get better performance there than witih CCCs.
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 997	Posted - 2015.01.31 08:29:45 - [14] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Colesef wrote: I've found numerous fits for missile boats to run 4/10s, but haven't been able to find any for Amarr Laser cruisers. What would one look like, I understand resists, but what about the other mods? You said missiles and lazors. The ship you are looking for is the Phantasm. Fit lazors and win. Shield tanked ships with low EM/thermal make no sense in this case, at all.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 552	Posted - 2015.02.01 06:37:02 - [15] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Shield tanked ships with low EM/thermal make no sense in this case, at all. em / thermal what? be specific! The Phantasm does em / thermal damage, hence lazors. Shooting sanshas and blood raiders in a sansha ship would make perfect sense, I do it all the time signature
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 947	Posted - 2015.02.01 13:00:58 - [16] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: I'll go ahead and endorse the ONI too. But what's wrong with SMCs on (some) cruisers? If you're not going for cap stability you usually get better performance there than witih CCCs. isn't the point of SMCs to get closer to stability?
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1020	Posted - 2015.02.01 18:19:16 - [17] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: I'll go ahead and endorse the ONI too. But what's wrong with SMCs on (some) cruisers? If you're not going for cap stability you usually get better performance there than witih CCCs. isn't the point of SMCs to get closer to stability? SMC increases total cap and thus indirectly recharge, but for a lower amount than CCC affect recharge for the same reason that rof bonuses are more potent than damage bonuses. So CCC gives a higher recharge than SMC and generally that's what you want to have in a prolonged scenario. However, people tend to just look at cap stability numbers in the fitting window and there SMC give better cap depletion times due to increased total cap but that still doesn't make up for the fact that actual recharge is lower.
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1020	Posted - 2015.02.01 18:22:01 - [18] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: Shield tanked ships with low EM/thermal make no sense in this case, at all. em / thermal what? be specific! The Phantasm does em / thermal damage, hence lazors. Shooting sanshas and blood raiders in a sansha ship would make perfect sense, I do it all the time Edit: By the way the Phantasm runs the Blood Raider Monastary (DED 4/10) just fine with heavy beam lasers II. Generally Sansha ships are shield tanked, you could armour tank them but the limited amount of low slots means you'd be low on heat sinks and it still wouldn't be amazing. Problem with shield tanked ships (non T2/T3 Minnie ones) is that they suck tanking EM and thermal, which is what Sansha/Blood raiders do.
atomic killer State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:22:48 - [19] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: Spugg Galdon wrote: [Legion, PvE - Lasers] T3 can't enter 4/10 This. OP, if you don't want to go to low and/or don't like the Legion I posted in your other thread, you could try either the aforementioned Stratios or I suppose try a Zealot: [Zealot, explodation] Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Carry a probe launcher, mobile depot, and scan mods for when you're not fighting. You're limiting yourself to 4/10s but you'll complete them so easily it won't be funny. Oh, you may want to have a web or two available instead of the TCs if elite frigates get too close, but a bit of manual piloting, tracking scripts, and Gleam should work most of the time. Why the hell do you need to use all those faction / deadspace mods for low sec exploration ?!?
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 553	Posted - 2015.02.02 01:03:45 - [20] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Generally Sansha ships are shield tanked, you could armour tank them but the limited amount of low slots means you'd be low on heat sinks and it still wouldn't be amazing. Problem with shield tanked ships (non T2/T3 Minnie ones) is that they suck tanking EM and thermal, which is what Sansha/Blood raiders do. So you haven't flown a Sansha ship at all. That is fine, I have. In order so something to do damage to that ship, they need to hit it first. signature
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2249	Posted - 2015.02.02 01:03:53 - [21] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: I'll go ahead and endorse the ONI too. But what's wrong with SMCs on (some) cruisers? If you're not going for cap stability you usually get better performance there than witih CCCs. isn't the point of SMCs to get closer to stability? SMCs are there to extend effective runtime. CCCs are there to see if you can't make that infinite. The goals are actually quite different and if you're not going for absolute cap stability SMCs often provide a much longer runtime from their combined buffer and recharge increase than you'd see with just a recharge increase from a CCC.
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1023	Posted - 2015.02.02 01:13:25 - [22] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: Generally Sansha ships are shield tanked, you could armour tank them but the limited amount of low slots means you'd be low on heat sinks and it still wouldn't be amazing. Problem with shield tanked ships (non T2/T3 Minnie ones) is that they suck tanking EM and thermal, which is what Sansha/Blood raiders do. So you haven't flown a Sansha ship at all. That is fine, I have. In order so something to do damage to that ship, they need to hit it first. Yeah, it'll be great! Being webbed, neuted and whatnot. Unless you kite like mad which effectively means you're wasting a ton of time. Making the ship, while it "works well" not good at that role.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 553	Posted - 2015.02.02 11:44:48 - [23] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Yeah, it'll be great! Being webbed, neuted and whatnot. Unless you kite like mad which effectively means you're wasting a ton of time. Making the ship, while it "works well" not good at that role. And what that role be? You seem to not have much experience with NPCs, do you? No problem, I'll enlighten you. Their tactic is to hit 'approach' you until are within optimal gun range, then they change to 'orbit'. In order to get in that 'orbit' range, they have to get in range first and the Phantasm is the fastest boat on the grid. I wouldn't put an armor rep on unless I have to after the site is run and I don't like the repair bill. You know there is a think called active tank that you can fit a Phantasm with and heavy beams will slice all Blood Raider NPCs in two pieces. If you don't think it is possible, I suggest you take her for spin on SiSi and test it out. signature
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1025	Posted - 2015.02.02 11:58:31 - [24] - Quote Kiting while fighting NPC that TD you doesn't make much sense. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's not optimal. Ships that can just sit on the gate while killing triggers (no need to kill everything) and being able to deal with the incoming damage while doing so will always be faster than ships that have to move away to survive/get their weapons to work. Many times I enter a site and someone is kiting 20km+ from the gate (sometimes much more), I just go "lol", kill the rest of the triggers (and hope to scare off that other guy because of npc spawn) while sitting on the gate and then activate it. If you enjoy that style or ship then by all means go for it but from a min-max pov it makes little sense, especially so as exploration is a competitive business.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 554	Posted - 2015.02.02 20:10:38 - [25] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Kiting while fighting NPC that TD you doesn't make much sense. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's not optimal. Ships that can just sit on the gate while killing triggers (no need to kill everything) and being able to deal with the incoming damage while doing so will always be faster than ships that have to move away to survive/get their weapons to work. Many times I enter a site and someone is kiting 20km+ from the gate (sometimes much more), I just go "lol", kill the rest of the triggers (and hope to scare off that other guy because of npc spawn) while sitting on the gate and then activate it. If you enjoy that style or ship then by all means go for it but from a min-max pov it makes little sense, especially so as exploration is a competitive business. On that note, I was doing a Blood Raider Blockade level 4 in my Navy Scorpion and there came a burst into the room and started to collect my loot. While blinking in that ever tempting red, I decided to let him deal with them - hehe.. a few minutes after I docked he flamed something in russian I think in local. I know that Sanshas to tracking disruption, which is fine, heavy beams have very long range and if they decide to tracking disrupt me, ok I just shoot them with Aurora M. Blood Raider can be nasty with neuts, but they need to be in range first. So as you said I am kiting them from long(er) range and they go boom. I was talking about the Blood Raider Monastery since it is a common DED 4 / 10 rated complex and even though they can put heavy neut pressure on you, you can keep your distance with an active tank (which did cost me all my cap boosters) and make them pay. I cannot use pve fit ships anymore, so all of my fits will be for pvp and since the NPC AI changes, they don't like to be webbed and scrammed anymore, so all of a sudden they keep their distance. But the loot-fary wasn't nice to me - some dark blood radio crystals and a tag.. Oh and you can do the Blood Raider and Sansha havens and santums with the very same fit, since the giant blobb of NPC battleships cannot hit the 'tiny' Phantasm - even if you go buffer fit. But if all fails - Gila is the ship you are looking for (now sexier than ever). signature
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1028	Posted - 2015.02.02 22:21:22 - [26] - Quote I'm using a stratios, sentries ftw. I want to use an Amarr ship for it but my OCD about performance keeps me from doing so, I might just try a ham Sac.
Aralieus The Inf1dels 248	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:39:43 - [27] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: I'm using a stratios, sentries ftw. I want to use an Amarr ship for it but my OCD about performance keeps me from doing so, I might just try a ham Sac. Sac has a awesome tank I could just never bring myself to lug around all the ammo it requires but if you don't mind that then it is an excellent ship for PVE activities. Oderint Dum Metuant
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1032	Posted - 2015.02.04 03:42:29 - [28] - Quote Aralieus wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: I'm using a stratios, sentries ftw. I want to use an Amarr ship for it but my OCD about performance keeps me from doing so, I might just try a ham Sac. Sac has a awesome tank I could just never bring myself to lug around all the ammo it requires but if you don't mind that then it is an excellent ship for PVE activities. Well that's the issue, it's Amarr T2 and thus it gets explosive/kin resist bonuses, which is no use in Amarr space. So its amazing tank is actually kinda meh.
Sam Spock The Scope Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2015.02.04 15:50:34 - [29] - Quote I know you asked for lasers but I use an Ishtar for all high sec ded sites. (grrr ishtar!) Just wanted to comment on the Blood 4/10. I find the blood 4/10 to be the easiest because they don't get close enough to hurt me. I fly into the first room, deploy bouncer II's and kill everything from the warp in point. They don't even agro me! In the second room at most I might get some of the missile towers to shoot at me but the cruisers don't come close. Drop bouncers and kill the structure. Use an mtu for getting the loot. The cruisers will start moving slowly towards you when you first get there but will start moving away once you kill the structure. Have not tried this tactic with sentries on a stratios but it may work also. I would imagine that anything that can apply enough dps from about 60km to kill everything without having to move would do well here. Giving you Inconsistent grammar, speilling and Punct-uation since 1974!
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1043	Posted - 2015.02.04 16:59:53 - [30] - Quote Sam Spock wrote: Have not tried this tactic with sentries on a stratios but it may work also. It's even better with sentries.

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