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Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.09.28 06:14:00 - [1] I am placing this note on the forums because of the continued failure of CCP to do anything regarding blatent macroing of 5/10 complexes. Since all petetions have failed to be acted upon, all macro accounts and mains are still active, despite numerous petitions from many players and corps. I hope that giving this information to the playerbase of eve will be more productive then trying to work with GMs. Tonight we discovered the main chars of the 5/10 macros that have been terrorizing eve. After losing about 10 battleships during the corse of this week. Tonight they brought some of their main chars down to the 5/10 in the system Allipies. The main corp of these macroers is "Chang Cheng Corporation" They brought their main chars in Scorps and their macro chars in Ravens. However they have devloped a new client modification/exploit. We jumped their fleet with ceptors before the battleships jumped through. However none of the ceptors were able to lock any of the macro ships. They slowly warped off one by one well the ceptors kept clicking on their ships in vein. A) They did not attack or agress anyone. It was not ECM Burst, ECM, or any game mechanic that we are familiar with. B) It could not have possibly been lag or that they had already hit warp. We were on top of them before the operator hit the gang warp. We got to watch the full alignment of the first ship to the last, then the one that got suck on the acceleration gate cancel warp and reinitiate. We engadged them at the very first acceleration gate of the 5/10 complex so their exploit could be limited to that area or based on some other constraint. Hopefully this new information about their main corp and their newest trick helps the player base in dealing with this problem that is slowly infesting every sector of eve.
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.09.28 06:17:00 - [2] And they didn't just log-off, when they saw you entering local ? -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.09.28 06:27:00 - [3] Well they did log off a few seconds later. They have a tweaky SS they warp to before logging though, we can get within 3 AU of it but have never been able to hit it with probes or any ship that logs there. They used to just hit the terminate macro button and all log within seconds right in the plex but we were able to agro on them a few times and then scan probe the ships so they have stopped doing that. Now the operator gang warps to the special SS first. We have been fighting this macro for over a month now, The operator has come up with new stratigies to counter us... Including modding some of the clients to see cloaked ships (we got them a few times with Pilgrams, hehe)... anyway... ovbiously alot has happened over the month or so of trying to kill this specific strain of their macro off...
Vyncent Flaw Astral Strategic Industries Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.09.28 06:32:00 - [4] Just a thought, but did it cross your mind that maybe they aren't macro's Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Niccolado Starwalker Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.28 06:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Commander Nikolas However none of the ceptors were able to lock any of the macro ships. They slowly warped off one by one well the ceptors kept clicking on their ships in vein. What they did was to log off as soon they saw u come into the belt, or becoming a threat. I certainly look that way.. Most likely they simply logged out before you could lock them. That way they warps away when "loosing" connection. This is a very much used tactic, not only among certain corps but alliances too. Its actually one of the most common defences per today for many Besides, posting about this on the forums does not help. And from what you say, im not either convinced they are macroers. I have also found out that people tend to use macro pretty loosely these days. If you believe someone is cheating reporting it to the mods is the only way. IF CCP do not take action, you can presume no evidence where found or they where not macroing. But you can be pretty sure CCP will look into it. They always do.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:07:00 - [6] Yep, it was typical logoff. And you didnt fint anything with scan probes cause they were gonners already when scan finished (they disappear after 1 minute from moment they quitthe game). Best way is to jump in with one ship, take aggro (just lock/shoot everyone with one gun) and wait for em to log. Then you have 15 minutes to scan for each of em.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Commander Nikolas We have been fighting this macro for over a month now, The operator has come up with new stratigies to counter us... Including modding some of the clients to see cloaked ships (we got them a few times with Pilgrams, hehe)... Umm... this doesn't really seem possible... but if it is true, than we have some serious problems in EVE...
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:25:00 - [8] Just to support Nik's claims the macro'ers are also very active 23hours a day in the 5/10 complex's of Mozzidit and Promised Lands in Genesis. They do the exact same thing if engaged, all warp off one by one when engaged. They ARE running macro's and I have petitioned twice allready but that was a long time ago and they are still there. It genuinly is not possible for them NOT to be running macros. Theyr'e behaviour and actions are identical every single day. And unless some chap is staying awake for 23hours a day and running the plexes CONSTANTLY in that time CCP should at least ban them for sharing account details. But I dont think they will. Let me make this clear to you, CCP does not care. The macro'ers pay their subscription which is why they are still here. With everything else in Eve CCP only care about the $$$ And thats the reason i've left Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
GeekWarrior Gallente Isotope Incorporated	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Commander Nikolas They brought their main chars in Scorps and their macro chars in Ravens. However they have devloped a new client modification/exploit. We jumped their fleet with ceptors before the battleships jumped through. However none of the ceptors were able to lock any of the macro ships. They slowly warped off one by one well the ceptors kept clicking on their ships in vein. A) They did not attack or agress anyone. It was not ECM Burst, ECM, or any game mechanic that we are familiar with. B) It could not have possibly been lag or that they had already hit warp. We were on top of them before the operator hit the gang warp. We got to watch the full alignment of the first ship to the last, then the one that got suck on the acceleration gate cancel warp and reinitiate. Yeah... that's what happens when you log off before being agressed. So if they are macroing, maybe someone is at least supervising it. ----------------------------- EVE Addict, creator of the EVE Online Forms Greasemonkey Script \o/
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Vyncent Flaw Just a thought, but did it cross your mind that maybe they aren't macro's Hah, ridiculous. They even have a Chinese sounding corpname! How could they be anything but macros? Signature removed - please email to find out why (include a link to the original image) - Jacques([email protected]) RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy

ZiggyX	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Eilie Umm... this doesn't really seem possible... but if it is true, than we have some serious problems in EVE... It is probably one of the easiest hacks to do, since all the ship models and effects data, including the cloaking effects, are stored locally. The client probably also recieves some form of communication about cloaked ships, just a matter of finding out what.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Vyncent Flaw Just a thought, but did it cross your mind that maybe they aren't macro's Hah, ridiculous. They even have a Chinese sounding corpname! How could they be anything but macros? Go to Genesis and watch them, they ARE using macro's. 23 hours a day, 7 days a week. I'm not sure how much running or chaining the 5/10 plex but the same guys that Nik is seeing are running them in Genesis too. Even if we say theyr'e only making 20mill an hour in the plex thats 920million isk per DAY just from 2 plexes. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:44:00 - [13] Aren't all the 5/10s in low sec? Signature removed - please email to find out why (include a link to the original image) - Jacques([email protected]) RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Verus Potestas Aren't all the 5/10s in low sec? Yep And i've killed more than a few of them, But they carry tech I gear and stabs. And a small Armarda of Ravens or Apocs tend to hurt Vs a solo pirate Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2006.09.28 07:56:00 - [15] A macro is a scripted set of commands designed to run at specific times. If you can design a macro that can farm a complex, pick up loot and use log off tactics then you shouldn't be wasting your time playing EVE. Theres a big difference between people using macros and simply farming complexes as much as they can.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:00:00 - [16] If they have macros which let them fly around low sec, fighting off players and using dirty tricks, they are very, very smart people. I'd say writing a macro to do that would be near impossible. I could just about accept a python modification being used, but it would have to be hugely advanced. Are you absolutely sure they are macros, not just people who spend a long time farming (not actually against the EULA, even if they are ****ers) Signature removed - please email to find out why (include a link to the original image) - Jacques([email protected]) RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Verus Potestas If they have macros which let them fly around low sec, fighting off players and using dirty tricks, they are very, very smart people. I'd say writing a macro to do that would be near impossible. I could just about accept a python modification being used, but it would have to be hugely advanced. Are you absolutely sure they are macros, not just people who spend a long time farming (not actually against the EULA, even if they are **ers) Explain how they stay awake and actively running the complex 23 hours a day if they are not breaking the EULA. Thats right, you cant. Alliaanna** DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Explain how they stay awake and actively running the complex 23 hours a day if they are not breaking the EULA. Thats right, you cant. Alliaanna Sharing accounts is one method of breaking the EULA but its very different to using macros, client modification and whatever else you want to accuse these players of. Without proof you're in exactly the same position as CCP and posting wild accusations on the forums does nobody any good.
Silane Daktor Gelidity	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:33:00 - [19] The corp's website doesn't say anything apart from a locked out forum- then look at the parent domain and it's 'odd' home page. I say odd, because why would someone (unless they are very naive) put a scan of their work security pass on the internet for all to see?
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Zissou Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Explain how they stay awake and actively running the complex 23 hours a day if they are not breaking the EULA. Thats right, you cant. Alliaanna Sharing accounts is one method of breaking the EULA but its very different to using macros, client modification and whatever else you want to accuse these players of. Without proof you're in exactly the same position as CCP and posting wild accusations on the forums does nobody any good. If someones account is taking active commands for 161 hours in a week I think its perfectly fair to Ban them on the spot. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!

Mitten Caldari Section 11	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Originally by: Zissou Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Explain how they stay awake and actively running the complex 23 hours a day if they are not breaking the EULA. Thats right, you cant. Alliaanna Sharing accounts is one method of breaking the EULA but its very different to using macros, client modification and whatever else you want to accuse these players of. Without proof you're in exactly the same position as CCP and posting wild accusations on the forums does nobody any good. If someones account is taking active commands for 161 hours in a week I think its perfectly fair to Ban them on the spot. Alliaanna Didnt you quit eve? Price Check: Achura Char w/ Full Crystal Set
cinderbrood Caldari Bre-X	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:40:00 - [22] i know exactly who they are ^^ try mentioning bre-x to them >.> they wont stick around long wars are fun ^^ especialy with macroers altho they could Very easily be another swaetshop they do tend to move around systems alot , Be warned with some of them tho if they think they out number you they will engage Btw feel free to se there little nick names the eggrolls ^^ this sig is mod proof damn it ! Sig dimensions must be no more than 120H x 400W - Cathath Original Sig - Please resize
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Mitten Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Originally by: Zissou Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Explain how they stay awake and actively running the complex 23 hours a day if they are not breaking the EULA. Thats right, you cant. Alliaanna Sharing accounts is one method of breaking the EULA but its very different to using macros, client modification and whatever else you want to accuse these players of. Without proof you're in exactly the same position as CCP and posting wild accusations on the forums does nobody any good. If someones account is taking active commands for 161 hours in a week I think its perfectly fair to Ban them on the spot. Alliaanna Didnt you quit eve? Yes as quite clearly stated in my above post. CCP do not give a ** about Macro'ers. They pay a subscription so they will stay, Think i'm wrong ? Then why am I still posting here despite telling CCP over and over again i'm braking the EULA bypassing a permaban. Maybe its because the gm's told me by e-mail its perfectly fine provided I dont reveal my main Typherin laidai (Oops ) and i continue a subscription on a second account. All CCP gives a about is $$$, And the whiny WoW movement in this game is larger than the 0.0 & PvP'er core. I hope you all enjoy WoW in space in the future. Alliaanna** DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Vyncent Flaw Just a thought, but did it cross your mind that maybe they aren't macro's Hah, ridiculous. They even have a Chinese sounding corpname! How could they be anything but macros? Define the two following words: "Macro" "Isk Farmer" They are NOT the same thing. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:49:00 - [25] Locked to avoid futher trolling and flames. If you see people doing something that you think is in violation of the EULA or TOS, petition them. A proper investigation can take longer than you might think, and posting on the forums about them exploiting is not the correct way of doing it. eve-crc.net \| forum rules \|[email protected] He's a mdoerator you know - Serathu



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