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Nathaniel Kalen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.01.31 14:05:30 - [1] - Quote Greetings to you, citizens of the Federation! I speak to you, people of Intaki, Jin-Mei, Mannar, Minmatar, Gallente, to all who as a citizen of the Federation follows its rules and laws GÇö and at the same time shares responsibility for all its unlawful deeds and crimes, from the past and till nowadays. I am a Caldari State Patriot, the one your government claims to be your enemy and teaches to loathe and hate, thus trying to hide from you its own mistakes and weaknesses and to shirk responsibility. We are called radicals for our willpower and straightness, terrorists for securing our people, traitors and troublemakers for our strive for freedom and justice. They claim our messages are being delivered with our missiles and charges. I speak to you openly and honestly to disprove that. I address to all of you with a single hope that you REALLY understand what do you strive, live and fight for. You say you value freedom, liberty and justice GÇö but we value that as well. 200 years ago your government started a war that continues until now. For all this years your authorities conceal a lot from you, misrepresent the history of our nations. You along with your hopes and fears are being manipulated GÇö just to let them avoid the responsibility for their part in this bloody events. At the same time your self-confidence along with trust in your rulers makes you unwitting accomplices or even their partners in war crimes and mass murders. They criticize our way of life, our traditions, culture, society GÇö and you're echoing them. But I want to ask: did any of you ever try to learn and understand the Caldari people? Did any of you ever try to analyze impartially the very roots of our conflict? I doubt. Most of you just say and do what your -½authorities-+ tell you, barely thinking of what there is truth and what is lie. You believe, or you think you believe, that our people had to follow the rules made by your political leaders without any hesitations. You think you bring freedom and rightness to the whole New Eden. But with your deeds you just take from us all that, you take from us our RIGHT FOR OUR OWN FREEDOM. But you never care. You're convinced you're right and the whole damned Universe should live according to your own principles. This is called imposing and contradicts all your beliefs, or I'm wrong? You value freedom and liberty and tend toward them, but you usually forget that freedom brings some duty and responsibility as well. The more freedom you have the more duties you have as well and the more responsible for what you do. It's not about legal, political, economical or cultural concepts but about Morality and Ethics. Absolute freedom I've heard about a lot from some of you leads to absolute responsibility and needs absolute morality, thus it is unattainable for all of us. Some of you state that it was -½tyrannical corporative Caldari government-+ (which means Chief Executive Panel, I suppose?) who started the war against Federation and just gave enough reason with a terrorists attack at Nouvelle Rouvenor. Should I remind you, that a blockade of Caldari Prime had been established a few month before by the Federation President and Senate order, which led to violent clashes between local Caldari and Gallente people? And that your government hadn't brought any evidence of CEP being involved up to now? Or should I remind what was the Federation answer: orbital bombardments and full-scale ground invasion, resulted in hundreds of thousands of casualties only at the first day of that -½Operation Heaven's Justice-+? Or about your Navy, executing order to strike even at their own surrounded ground forces, exterminating everyone just to kill as much Caldari as possible? And once more should I remind you that all that decisions were taken and orders given by the new ultra-nationalistic government and authoritarian president Luc Duvailer, who not only arranged the massacre, but also had brutally repressed all citizens of your beloved Federation who dared to oppose that violence and bloodshed? Today you call such things genocide, war crimes or crimes against humanity, but 200 years ago your government and your people commited all of that against us and then chose just to forget it... You have re-elected your new old President, who will act the same way as he and all his predecessors did. You have an opportunity to change the whole history, demanding the truth that both our nations deserve and have the right for. Your government's bloody secrets are able to destroy anything you value if still kept in the shadows. Are you ready to be a mass murderers and war criminals partners in crime? Do you really think that your president and your government care for you? Don't you learn to think independently? Or you keep all your great principles and ideas of freedom, equality and justice just for personal use? I am a Patriot. The good of the State and my people means everything to me and comes before my own needs. I'm not a radical one, but will defend my Homeland from any threat without hesitations. I don't want to fight at war, but I will fight for justice, freedom and truth. Like all Caldari people I'm forthright and honest, thus may be very unpleasant for you. But I could be a true friend, as well as an implacable, harsh and even fierce enemy. I speak for myself as I have no right and authority to speak for the whole Caldari nation, but I hope they all will agree with me. Think about that, citizens of the Federation! Think about your past and present, about the future it all could lead! Your real enemies are within your ranks. Now you choose your fate, not me, neither your government, nor the State GÇô you do it yourselves. Don't make a mistake for the payback would be beyond your strength. There is no escape GÇô everyone will pay for the violence of their ancestors and their own. Haajakin kalen!
Zecthah Trees'ent Ambiguous Endeavor 37	Posted - 2015.01.31 14:18:21 - [2] - Quote ... Diana?
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 263	Posted - 2015.01.31 14:34:25 - [3] - Quote couldn't be, he's not proclaiming the federation must be destroyed outright...
Nathaniel Kalen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.01.31 14:36:56 - [4] - Quote Zecthah Trees'ent wrote: ... Diana? Does being a Caldari Patriot mean to be Commander Kim? Anyway, I'm not her as you can see. But thank you for that comparison, Mr. Trees'ent
Nathaniel Kalen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.01.31 15:34:09 - [5] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: couldn't be, he's not proclaiming the federation must be destroyed outright... Ms. Vess. I care for my own State and people, not others. Federation should be brought into justice, and it will happen sooner or later. But that doesn't mean it should be destroyed. I don't like the very idea of a total war, but you must understand that Gallenteans' arrogance make that very possible to happen. And it will cost too much to all our nations.
Angel T Hunter Stay Frosty. 15	Posted - 2015.01.31 15:38:24 - [6] - Quote That was well written Mr Kalen..
Zhong Juan Syn-Tek 3	Posted - 2015.01.31 15:56:09 - [7] - Quote You preach of freedom and wrong doings by the Federation, and our ignorance, or stupidity regarding these events. Most of us know, I am sometimes ashamed by the actions our Federation carries out. What would you have some of us do? Defect to a State full of racism, which has shown on multiple occasions that it cannot see beyond someone's race, and will not abide foreigners, for the most part who have even helped them. I do not hold ill feelings towards the State. The only thing I hold against the State is their blindness of their own faults. I am disappointed in the Federation's decision to keep Jacus Roden in power, more so than most, I see the lack of change an ill omen. I only apologize for our keeping a criminal in power. Although, within our Federation, I still have the option to follow morality and ethics, which I do on a day to day basis. Separate, or with others in our Federation, I choose for the better of those around me. Your only purpose seems that of - serve The State, which you most likely do, but fail to see a bigger picture than The State, I do not blame you, because that is your function.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 945	Posted - 2015.01.31 16:37:01 - [8] - Quote This re-election means a lot of people are afraid, which in turn means someone on our side must have done something right. There is no peace without power, and all this counts for both sides. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 772	Posted - 2015.01.31 17:26:13 - [9] - Quote Nathaniel Kalen wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: couldn't be, he's not proclaiming the federation must be destroyed outright... Ms. Vess. I care for my own State and people, not others. Federation should be brought into justice, and it will happen sooner or later. But that doesn't mean it should be destroyed. I don't like the very idea of a total war, but you must understand that Gallenteans' arrogance make that very possible to happen. And it will cost too much to all our nations. At this point both sides are guilty. Be careful when you makes cries for justice.
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 378	Posted - 2015.01.31 17:48:34 - [10] - Quote As is so often the case with those among the Caldari Patriot faction, Mssr Kalen demonstrates that his ideology is woefully dated. I enjoy a good history lecture as much as the next girl, but do try to come up with something less obviously cribbed from basic State indoctrination holos. Especially the ones that might as well be from last Century. You present a caricature of what you must believe Federation loyalists believe about our history, then self righteously proceed to tear the straw out of your manufactured opponent. I too could easily respond by laying a litany of Caldari acts of barbarity at your feet as if every living Caldari must pay for every ancient sin. I think I'd rather not.
Anabella Rella Gradient 1873	Posted - 2015.01.31 18:49:02 - [11] - Quote Came expecting a reasoned and reasonable exposition on ways for Federal and State citizens to understand each other and get along better. Left disappointed after realizing it was just more moralizing, Gallente bashing and finger pointing on the part of yet another xenophobic Caldari. Seems like simply a slightly more literate and much more long winded version of Kim-baka if you ask me. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Wendrika Hydreiga 248	Posted - 2015.01.31 19:13:27 - [12] - Quote Peace if for schmucks! The Federation must be destroyed! At least you guys are consistent! It's not because Miss Kim does it, but because expressing State patriotism is bad! Nevermind the ongoing wars between empires!
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1304	Posted - 2015.01.31 22:06:36 - [13] - Quote This thread does highlight an issue that rarely gets spoken about. Namely that Kim's stance on the Federation isn't an outlier, but has many in the Caldari Militia sharing this view (albeit not as extreme as Kim) In this regard, it isn't wise to simply disregard Kim's viewpoint as that of a lone extremist, but rather as the loud & extreme mouthpiece of a Provist Caldari Militia viewpoint. This is due to the result of them being molded & guided under Heth's rule, growing up & running their lives under his anti-Federation propaganda. In short, these extreme patriottic/provist capsuleers can be called his heritage. Gallente President Jacus Roden is elected for a second term Gallente Presidential elections have begun!(Updated)
Kalo Askold Sanguis Inceptum 0	Posted - 2015.01.31 22:16:44 - [14] - Quote Didn't the Gallente Caldari war happen with Caldari breaking a colonizing contract? And the whole using Caldari Prime as a hostage negotiation? And provist asshatery? Yeah, no reason to hate patriots at all.
Vector Symian 0 Fear 157	Posted - 2015.01.31 22:30:43 - [15] - Quote And it is here that Capseleer Pilots of New Eden must step forward We are the Hope of this war torn galaxy where first we fought each other for the whims of the foolish empires we can now together choose a new path A world of Unity of the respect of a local people righto to rule themselves but also one of the responsibility that kind of power brings. A world where the bonds that tie us together as Humans mortal and immortal and regarded as sacred. The Capseleers have through the forge that is war come to understand this. Down with the corruptions of the existing power struggle and lets forge a new world with the wisdom brought only by the immortality of its citizen and their continued voyage across the stars... o7
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 379	Posted - 2015.01.31 22:52:29 - [16] - Quote Simply advocating "local people's right to rule themselves" doesn't address the nature of conflict between Caldari and Gallente societies. In the Federation local government is a bedrock value, but it is democracy with universal suffrage that those local members of our Federal Union are expected to uphold. Before the Caldari Secession it was that requirement for universal suffrage that put Megacorporate leadership fundamentally at odds with membership in the Federation. Gallente leaders saw denial of equal voting rights as a violation of basic individual rights, whereas many Caldari Corporations viewed granting equal political representation to those who hadn't "earned it" as a violation of the meritocracy at the bedrock of their culture. This is part of the discussion that is so often lost in the fray.
Zecthah Trees'ent Ambiguous Endeavor 38	Posted - 2015.02.01 00:14:14 - [17] - Quote Jandice Ymladris wrote: This thread does highlight an issue that rarely gets spoken about. Namely that Kim's stance on the Federation isn't an outlier, but has many in the Caldari Militia sharing this view (albeit not as extreme as Kim) In this regard, it isn't wise to simply disregard Kim's viewpoint as that of a lone extremist, but rather as the loud & extreme mouthpiece of a Provist Caldari Militia viewpoint. This is due to the result of them being molded & guided under Heth's rule, growing up & running their lives under his anti-Federation propaganda. In short, these extreme patriottic/provist capsuleers can be called his heritage. Of course many in the Caldari Militia would have the same views...they're in the same outfit. That would be expected. It would not surprise me if I was to learn that the ones who do not share those views end up 'washing out'. Wouldn't anyone in charge want subordinates to share the same level of patriotism and ideology?
Nathaniel Kalen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.02.02 22:21:39 - [18] - Quote Well, as I see the discussion had started. Thank you all for your comments and remarks, now I'll try to answer most of them without quoting anyone specifically. First of all, that was not just a history lecture. May be I was a bit... hmm... abrupt and unrestrained, but I was trying to ask some questions that are related to the very root cause of this conflict. It started two centuries ago and is still to be solved. That's why we all should revise it - to draw proper conclusions and try to avoid further escalation. Yes, we did mistakes. Yes, we were not as good and reliable as the partner should be. And yes, it started with Caldari corporations secretly established colonies outside Federation space. Question about that colonies is still open. Some believe they were to become part of the Federation, others agree that technically it wasn't a Federation territory thus the legislation of the Federation could not be applied. Anyway, even after the Caldari State seceded from the Federation and tensions rose to the boiling point, there still was a chance for a diplomatic solution - until the blockade of Caldari Prime was established. That was the very point of no return, as I see. The main reason for conflict to be continued even now is an occupation of Caldari Prime. Until it doesn't belong to the State (by that I mean it to be a Caldari State territory, completely under the CEP rule) any negotiations are hardly possible. You should understand that Caldari Prime is not yet another planet, that is our Homeworld, home for the Raata Empire; It is the heart and soul of Caldari nation. Never forget this even if you don't want to discuss this topic, 'cause this is the main reason why we still fight. Just remember: 7 years ago, after Caldari Navy recaptured Caldari Prime and President Foiritan ratified it's surrender to the State the war was about to stop. There were still tensions, especially considering the fate of Gallente military and civilians left at Caldari Prime, but the level of agression started to lower. And only after sanctioned by Jacus Roden Operation Highlander, resulted in destruction of Shiigeru Titan, heavy damage done to the planet itself and it's loss to the Federation again. That caused a new wave of indignation and hatred in the State, and it won't settle down eventually. What is to be done with all this mess? Negotiations between the President and CEP are a must, but there should be a considerable act of good will from both sides. And first of all we need to take it very clear: strengthening the defensive (read military) powers, especially after Roden's statement about the "significant threat from the armed forces of the Caldari State" will result in the new turn of arms rac, which in turn leads us right to the new war. This is the first problem to be negotiated. And there is still a question of Caldari Prime, which should be resolved even just in order not to be a problem any more. Both this questions are to be discussed as soon as possible, otherwise we all are at risk of losing everything we value just for the sake of our arrogance and blindness...
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 392	Posted - 2015.02.02 22:39:14 - [19] - Quote You left out the major conflict taking place on Caldari Prime in the lead up to Operation Highlander. You left out the oppression and atrocities committed by Provist occupation forces against Heth's enemies Caldari and Gallente alike. You also left out the resistance made up of both Caldari and Gallente fighting against Provist rule. Do try to keep up. The future is leaving your ancient history in the dust.
Nathaniel Kalen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.02.02 23:05:13 - [20] - Quote Rinai Vero wrote: You left out the major conflict taking place on Caldari Prime in the lead up to Operation Highlander. You left out the oppression and atrocities committed by Provist occupation forces against Heth's enemies Caldari and Gallente alike. You also left out the resistance made up of both Caldari and Gallente fighting against Provist rule. Do try to keep up. The future is leaving your ancient history in the dust. And that was enough for Roden to start an invasion into Caldari territory? Indeed, history teaches nothing, just punishes for the lessons unlearned... Ms. Vero, why both Foiritan and Roden did nothing to get the Federation citizens out of Caldari Prime? Negotiations, diplomacy, whatever... And Provists, you say? Well, there is nothing to be proud of about them. But what about your Black Eagles, for example? Do they differ? And the last question to you, Ms. Vero: are you for or against the war between our nations?
Jeane DuPont DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad 10	Posted - 2015.02.03 02:08:06 - [21] - Quote Nathaniel Kalen wrote: Ms. Vess. I care for my own State and people, not others. Federation should be brought into justice, and it will happen sooner or later. But that doesn't mean it should be destroyed. I don't like the very idea of a total war, but you must understand that Gallenteans' arrogance make that very possible to happen. And it will cost too much to all our nations. Mr. Kalen.... your message to the people was going well, until you felt in the same ordinary error most people fall into when analysing conflicts and wars. The ordinary error called "judgement of value". When you state Federation should be brought into justice, there is a whole lot of judgement of value commited by your part. Whose justice and under which laws? Bureaucratic laws? Corporativist laws? Divine laws? You state it will happen sooner or later... So not only you commit judgements of value but you also admit this will happen because of an intrinsic transgression of "laws". In your mind, you have already sentenced the Federation too. A judge, and a jury. Then you speak of Gallenteans' arrogance... Again, more judgements of value now added with generalizations. I'm a traditional Gallente. My family has always been working for the Federation generation after generation. But that didn't prevented me from doing two things: 1) I've always worked with people from the other nations because I know how to recognize each strenghts and advantages of each one and of every single person. DUPO, despite being a Gallente corporation, has Caldari and Amarr on its rankings filling important roles... 2) I've always been a critic of the size of the states even tho having received a charter of the Federation to operate DUPO on different conditions. In my oppinion the corporativist model such as Caldari's is the most adaptable to different economic chalenges and most favorable to generate economic growth. So I ask you: where is the Gallentean arrogance in that?
Anabella Rella Gradient 1877	Posted - 2015.02.03 02:22:41 - [22] - Quote The difference between the Provists and the Black Eagles is that the Black Eagles don't control the government, make foreign policy, fight wars or enforce the President's will on Federal citizens. The Black Eagles are accountable to both the President and the Senate, the peoples elected representatives. Heth and his thugs were accountable to no one. I agree that there need to be ongoing negotiations and concessions by both sides with regards to Caldari Prime. However there can be no doubt that the Federation will never again allow a militarized Caldari Prime to threaten the annihilation of the Luminaire system. That's not negotiable. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4468	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:26:51 - [23] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: The difference between the Provists and the Black Eagles is that the Black Eagles don't control the government, make foreign policy, fight wars or enforce the President's will on Federal citizens. The Black Eagles are accountable to both the President and the Senate, the peoples elected representatives. Heth and his thugs were accountable to no one. I agree that there need to be ongoing negotiations and concessions by both sides with regards to Caldari Prime. However there can be no doubt that the Federation will never again allow a militarized Caldari Prime to threaten the annihilation of the Luminaire system. That's not negotiable. The difference between the Black Eagles and the Provists is that we ousted our dictator and disbanded his apparatus of fear and hate. You just granted yours further mandate. Please - the Black Eagles accountable to the President and the Senate? Don't make me laugh. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 317	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:43:29 - [24] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Anabella Rella wrote: The difference between the Provists and the Black Eagles is that the Black Eagles don't control the government, make foreign policy, fight wars or enforce the President's will on Federal citizens. The Black Eagles are accountable to both the President and the Senate, the peoples elected representatives. Heth and his thugs were accountable to no one. I agree that there need to be ongoing negotiations and concessions by both sides with regards to Caldari Prime. However there can be no doubt that the Federation will never again allow a militarized Caldari Prime to threaten the annihilation of the Luminaire system. That's not negotiable. The difference between the Black Eagles and the Provists is that we ousted our dictator and disbanded his apparatus of fear and hate. You just granted yours further mandate. Please - the Black Eagles accountable to the President and the Senate? Don't make me laugh. Accountable only to the President more like. Got to respect Roden for managing that at least. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1603	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:49:11 - [25] - Quote Excellent written, Mr. Kalen. FOR THE STATE!
Anabella Rella Gradient 1878	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:42:15 - [26] - Quote Really Pilot Tuulinen? You truly think Roden's a dictator who grabbed power illegally? Come on, you know better than that. Roden's no saint by any means but a dictator? No way. And scoff all you like about the Black Eagles and accountability but, they do report to the President and are overseen by the Senate. They're not rogues running around wild and free doing what ever the hell they want. It's no mystery why there will likely never be peace between the empires. Way too much animosity, too many old grievances, too much jingoism and nationalism. As this thread is degenerating rapidly into the same old crap accusations and irrationality I believe I'll take my leave of it. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Nalena Linova Project Kairos Heiian Conglomerate 9	Posted - 2015.02.03 11:29:32 - [27] - Quote Jandice Ymladris wrote: This thread does highlight an issue that rarely gets spoken about. Namely that Kim's stance on the Federation isn't an outlier, but has many in the Caldari Militia sharing this view (albeit not as extreme as Kim) In this regard, it isn't wise to simply disregard Kim's viewpoint as that of a lone extremist, but rather as the loud & extreme mouthpiece of a Provist Caldari Militia viewpoint. This is due to the result of them being molded & guided under Heth's rule, growing up & running their lives under his anti-Federation propaganda. In short, these extreme patriottic/provist capsuleers can be called his heritage. There is officially no remaining Provist influence or sentiment in the State Protectorate, as detailed in the report submitted by State Protectorate Command to the CEP investigatory committee in August 115. Its a matter of public record.
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 478	Posted - 2015.02.03 11:36:13 - [28] - Quote Nalena Linova wrote: Jandice Ymladris wrote: This thread does highlight an issue that rarely gets spoken about. Namely that Kim's stance on the Federation isn't an outlier, but has many in the Caldari Militia sharing this view (albeit not as extreme as Kim) In this regard, it isn't wise to simply disregard Kim's viewpoint as that of a lone extremist, but rather as the loud & extreme mouthpiece of a Provist Caldari Militia viewpoint. This is due to the result of them being molded & guided under Heth's rule, growing up & running their lives under his anti-Federation propaganda. In short, these extreme patriottic/provist capsuleers can be called his heritage. There is officially no remaining Provist influence or sentiment in the State Protectorate, as detailed in the report submitted by State Protectorate Command to the CEP investigatory committee in August 115. Its a matter of public record. I believe miss Ymladris was talking about the feelings of many of the rank and file, miss Linova, not the official stance of the organization (Which would have to be somewhat politically dense to maintain open provist sympathies). In that regard, you yourself affirmed that belief a few weeks ago. Nalena Linova wrote: I would like to clarify what seems to be a misconception held by the media and public: Commander Kim is by no means a pariah among the members of the State Protectorate. While the views expressed in her private life do not necessarily represent the official position of the State Protectorate, she does enjoy a lot of support from individuals within its ranks. I accept that her views may no longer be compatible with those of wider Caldari society, but the men and women enlisted in the State Protectorate are largely patriotic in their political leanings, for obvious reasons, and have little love for the Gallente or their way of life.
Nalena Linova Project Kairos Heiian Conglomerate 9	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:07:36 - [29] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: In that regard, you yourself affirmed that belief a few weeks ago. I merely stated that Commander Kim's admirable patriotic fervour is not uncommon within the ranks of the State Protectorate, and that remains true. With regards to the specific accusations raised by Ms Ymladris, there are no provist supporters within the State Protectorate. Being a patriot and supporting the Heth regime are not mutually inclusive, and you should be satisfied with the findings of the CEP that provist support within the State Protectorate was eliminated in the months following his denouncement.
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 395	Posted - 2015.02.03 16:20:13 - [30] - Quote Militias are not political monoliths. Quite the opposite. Ordinary STPRO Pilots must maintain positive standings with the Caldari State, but even this requirement can be skirted if one is accepted into a Capsuleer PMC aligned with the Protectorate. Because many such Pilots join for purely mercenary purposes, it becomes quite difficult to generalize with very much confidence about any Militia in totality.

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