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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.24 15:51:00 -
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This morning I received a formal CFS peace negotiation proposal. It is a bold and noble charter that wishes to establish an end of hostilities and a lasting peace between the CFS and CA.
I thank the members of the CFS that drew this document and the Senate that approved it. At this time, it is under review by the members of the Curse Alliance Councel of CEO's for approval and/or modifications.
Upon a full review, either the approved proposal or a counter proposal shall be forwarded to the CFS for further negotiations in an attempt to reach a peace declaration satisfactory to both the CFS and CA.
It is my heartfelt wish that a peace can be negotiated, and the conflict between our alliances can reach an end to the satisfaction of all parties involved.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Araborne
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Posted - 2003.10.24 16:24:00 -
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there is no peace with pirates and their lapdogs
"There is always deniability"
--- Leyla, Curse Alliance of Pirates
"Hey what kind of underpants am I wearing ?"
--- Pooti, CrossDressing CA member
*** Proud Member of the Curse Coalition *** |
Makkar
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Posted - 2003.10.24 16:31:00 -
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there is no peace with pirates and their lapdogs
Very good, Araborne. Have you learned to say anything else?
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.10.24 17:03:00 -
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Well that war didn't last to long.
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Araborne
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Posted - 2003.10.24 17:16:00 -
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Quote:
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there is no peace with pirates and their lapdogs
Very good, Araborne. Have you learned to say anything else?
lie down with dogs and you will end up with fleas
"There is always deniability"
--- Leyla, Curse Alliance of Pirates
"Hey what kind of underpants am I wearing ?"
--- Pooti, CrossDressing CA member
*** Proud Member of the Curse Coalition *** |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.24 17:16:00 -
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Sarkos,
On behalf of the Coalition of Free Stars I thank you for accepting this proposal and giving it your review. While I will be out of town a few days on RL business you may feel free to contact Kai in the Foriegn Relations office to discuss any issues.
I look forward to speaking with you upon my return.
Calladen Nimitz 
(OOC - I thank everyone for the kind words and condolences on the passing of my brother in an auto accident this week. The outpouring of friendship from people both "friend and foe" was very heartening and I thank you very much)
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.10.24 18:51:00 -
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I wish the CFS nothing but the best. They are an honorable alliance that wants nothing more than peace, free and open boarders, and the safety of their members.
Unfortunately by attempting to negotiate with the Curse Alliance of Pirates the CFS is virtually guaranteeing their own destruction at the hand of the evil murders and thieves that make up the pirate alliance.
I hope the CFS considers the long term ramifications of its decision to negotiate with the pirates and tyrants of the Curse Alliance of Pirates.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Raukorya
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Posted - 2003.10.24 19:49:00 -
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I wish the CFS nothing but the best. They are an honorable alliance that wants nothing more than peace, free and open boarders, and the safety of their members.
Unfortunately by attempting to negotiate with the Curse Alliance of Pirates the CFS is virtually guaranteeing their own destruction at the hand of the evil murders and thieves that make up the pirate alliance.
I hope the CFS considers the long term ramifications of its decision to negotiate with the pirates and tyrants of the Curse Alliance of Pirates.
Well Scragg, we shall see. This can be a test of CA's honor. If we attempt to backstab or betray the CFS if we form an alliance, you may claim that you were right all along, and I will not argue with you anymore.
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.10.24 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Asimir Kurdugal on 24/10/2003 21:23:44
What do you want exactly Scragg? We declare war, you cry foul. We make peace and you do the same.
Wait, Don't answer that. I already know the answer.
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Moving again, comfort of the chase
Now and again, this my saving grace
Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove
Keep me alive and give me something to lose
I've been gone so long, but I will come back
I will come back for you |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.24 21:12:00 -
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I agree with Raukorya here. This will be a chance to really test the resolve of the parties involved. Everything will be spelled out in black and white so there are no more "accidents" by either party. The repurcussions of any violation will be spelled out very plainly along with the consequences.
I believe this could indeed be Eve's first real peace treaty. In writing, black and white, two parties committed to maintaining a peace.
I have high hopes the negotiation process will go well and both sides will demonstrate a possible way to future peace for all warring alliances.
Calladen Nimitz
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Crimsonjade
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Posted - 2003.10.24 21:49:00 -
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you have to look at the underlying causes for both the CFS and the CA wanting peace. naive are you who think this is for actual "peace". something is going on to make the CFS to no longer wish to cooperate in the war. another war brewing, internal struggle? i cannot make a educated guess as i am not privy to this information.
what about the CA? what motivates them to accept this proposal? from my perspective it is the first step they are taking to re-focus their war on the SA and/or the FA. why fight a 3 front war? they cannot, as sheer numbers overwhelms them.
again the details are speculation, the main concern is the causation. many things have changed since calladen has come into power. this raises the question: what prior experiences does calladen have that makes me respect and trust him? it is actually a funny answer in that, to me, tti was successful and very respected, yet not trusted.
what more can we expect from the CA? as they play catch up in the race among the alliances, how will their increased experience in pirating help or hinder their ability to form a strong cohesive body.
the poliical turmoil in the southern sction of the universe is taking a sharp left turn, and it makes me wonder what the response of the rest of the alliances will do.
No pain, no palm; no thorns, no throne; no gall, no glory; no cross, no crown.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.10.24 22:11:00 -
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This just in: An Oracle member was fired upon by a member of the CFS called ThyDayWalker, in Keberz. The Oracle member returned fire in his Caracal, causing the CFS Megathron to warp away.
No losses in this engagement, and I believe the Oracle pilot is willing to call it quits, but CFS really does need to reign in it's pilots if this peace is to last.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.10.24 22:37:00 -
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WOW, AN ORACLE IN A CARACAL MADE A MEGATHRON WARP AWAY?
ORACLE MUST BE SERIOUSLY AWESOME.
that is what you wanted to hear, right?
k now sarkos, do that thing where you tell me im immature. im all set. |
Makkar
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Posted - 2003.10.24 22:40:00 -
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No, Homo, I was merely reporting the facts. If you want to tell us we rock, that's an entirely different matter, and thanks, I guess... 
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.10.24 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/10/2003 22:44:51
Thank you Homo aka squirrelboy, it really warms my old heart to hear that from you
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Kashre
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Posted - 2003.10.24 23:39:00 -
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Makkar, I dont want to start yet another round of mud slinging, but I'd like to point out that so far as Im aware we have not heard a responce from Sarkos about the cease fire yet, and so we are still at war. The best way to keep our pilots from shooting yours is not to get anywhere near them. That would be a pretty usefull indication that you're interested in peace as well.
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It's called "low security space" for a reason. |
Darodem
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Posted - 2003.10.25 00:48:00 -
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I for one laud these developments and praise the individuals involved in bringing this negotiation. We need to prosecute war criminals as individuals instead of plunging half the galaxy into war. Sarkos reporting the name of an offender is right on focus. We need to do the hard working of holding pilots accountable for their actions. especially since Concord refuses to do anything.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.10.25 01:00:00 -
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Kashre, from what I understand, the pilot in question was just passing through, but you raise a fair point. We'll be keeping our distance until the dice is cast one way or the other, as much as is possible.
I would suggest a ceasefire in the interim, though, so as not to sour this shot at peace. It's easy enough to accomplish. We won't fire at you, and you won't fire at us.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.25 02:53:00 -
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Makkar,
Actually the first item of the proposal is a complete withdrawl of all forces from the others territories and a complete ceasefire. As soon as Sarkos approves the proposal we can put it into affect.
Calladen
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Fubie
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Posted - 2003.10.25 03:09:00 -
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I have really come to know CFS and Teister as very honorable.
I truely hope CFS can find peace and go about their business as they see fit.
CFS will always be a friend to the CC and I would like to wish them well.
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Kai Viqtorr
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Posted - 2003.10.25 04:46:00 -
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Just to straighten things out, we realised that it would take time for Sarkos and the CA Executive to review and consider our proposal, particularly given its detail. Therefore, our suggested start of the Cease-Fire is down-time 27 October.
In answer to the numerous EVE-mails I have received asking what was in the proposal, it is posted on the CFS General Public Forum, here.
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Kai Viqtorr
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Posted - 2003.10.25 04:56:00 -
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Please Note: The CFS Public Forum is just that, a "public" forum. The opinions posted are those of the individuals.
For my part, I am encouraged by the initial reception given the proposals and I am confident that both parties are prepared to negotiate in good faith to achieve a lasting peace.
I ask all pilots in EVE to give us (CA and CFS) a fair chance to prove ourselves and to let our actions from here forward be your guide to our souls.
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Kirin
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Posted - 2003.10.25 05:50:00 -
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This particular post concerns me yes, surprises me, no.
I expect CFS to hold to their position with SA as per our agreement whatever the outcome of this matter.
CEO - Everlasting Vendetta
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Remember the toes you step on today are still connected to the arse you may have to kiss tomorrow.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.25 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 25/10/2003 13:55:49
Kiran,
What agreement is that I'm not aware of any formal agreement between our alliances? We've always had respect for SA and acknowledge their individual rights to operate in space. If there was something else worked out I'm not aware of it please send me an Evemail (alot of problems keeping up with RL stuff AND IG stuff - something had to give).
Calladen Nimitz
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.25 14:16:00 -
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Very interesting.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.10.25 21:28:00 -
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I can claim, with confidence, that the CFS does not have any "agreements" with the SA.
We have a respect for their region and chosen policy in it and I hope that is mutual.
Also, apart from the occasional solo pilot seeking thrills lately and isolated "incidents", most contacts between us are civil and productive.
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Kai Viqtorr
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:54:00 -
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I was very please to receive the official CA response from Sarkos today. It is currently under review and we hope to have a reply soon.
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.10.26 03:52:00 -
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I love the part where Curse Alliance demands CFS can have no binding agreements with Stain or Fountain, except NAP's. Now there stepping on other alliances toes.
Yep, that always works well in the end. 
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.26 05:12:00 -
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Please note: This document is part of a negotiation, and as such, negotiations can be made. Nothing is set into stone until both sides rattify it, and as in any negotiable document, it is subject to change. We, in the Curse Alliance have received an offer and now we make a counter offer.
If you do not jump to conclusions, you will not look like a fool.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Raoul
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Posted - 2003.10.26 07:42:00 -
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I notice that EVE Guardian have now provided some commentry on:
The CFS initial proposal
Sarkos' initial comments
The CA response |
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