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Sin Meng Creative Assembly 21	Posted - 2011.12.01 01:54:00 - [1] - Quote I used to play the game like you, then I took an arrow to the knee... So here is an EFT fit. [Talos, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I Warrior II x5 Emphasis on the cheap. see: rigs Dual prop for life in the danger zone (webs ._.) Aaaaaand, go! Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 6	Posted - 2011.12.01 02:05:00 - [2] - Quote Try a decent lvl IV mission in it and come back to tell us how it went...................
Sin Meng Creative Assembly 21	Posted - 2011.12.01 02:10:00 - [3] - Quote This fit, and thread, is not intended for PvE at all, I figured the use of a scram and lack of active tank would have made that obvious. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.
Stealthbug Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.01 02:16:00 - [4] - Quote The idea of soloing in one of these I find about as attractive as letting maple syrup sundry on my genitals.
Songbird 39	Posted - 2011.12.01 02:26:00 - [5] - Quote these bc's are not pve ships - lack of drones should tell you that :). But a gang with 10 of these and a few logi should be a scary sighting. I'm thinking close to 1000 DPS per ship , and enough speed to catch any tier 1 or 2 BC and probably most battleships too.
Hikaru Sulu Black Legion Industries 1	Posted - 2011.12.01 02:26:00 - [6] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: Try a decent lvl IV mission in it and come back to tell us how it went................... I feel like even suspecting troll would be giving you too much credit...
Sin Meng Creative Assembly 21	Posted - 2011.12.01 02:34:00 - [7] - Quote Stealthbug wrote: The idea of soloing in one of these I find about as attractive as letting maple syrup sun dry on my genitals. I wouldn't solo in this either, think more along the lines of their intended use, countering BS / drake blobs and taking down capitals, likely with logi support. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.
Asuka Smith Royal Black Watch Highlanders 5	Posted - 2011.12.01 02:56:00 - [8] - Quote Sin Meng wrote: Stealthbug wrote: The idea of soloing in one of these I find about as attractive as letting maple syrup sun dry on my genitals. I wouldn't solo in this either, think more along the lines of their intended use, countering BS / drake blobs and taking down capitals, likely with logi support. You mean replacing one blob with another? The king is dead, long live the king.
Eliane Harper Marilith Enclave 0	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:02:00 - [9] - Quote Songbird wrote: these bc's are not pve ships - lack of drones should tell you that :). But a gang with 10 of these and a few logi should be a scary sighting. I'm thinking close to 1000 DPS per ship , and enough speed to catch any tier 1 or 2 BC and probably most battleships too. Talos has drones but yeah, still not meant for PVE.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 31	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:13:00 - [10] - Quote Stealthbug wrote: The idea of soloing in one of these I find about as attractive as letting maple syrup sun dry on my genitals. Don't knock it until you've tried it.
Hikaru Sulu Black Legion Industries 1	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:19:00 - [11] - Quote Sin Meng wrote: I used to play the game like you, then I took an arrow to the knee... So here is an EFT fit. [Talos, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I Warrior II x5 Emphasis on the cheap. see: rigs Dual prop for life in the danger zone (webs ._.) Aaaaaand, go! This is I think pretty much the fit that will be the gold standard for Talos's. Only things you need to do are upgrade to t2 Microwarp, lose the AB for a dual Webber setup ( if you get caught long enough to need the AB, you're dead anyway), and let the rapey fun time begin. Also, since now you are running dual webs plus the tracking rig, switch to Void ammo for MOAR damage, also with the new stats you will have better optimal range than with Navy, while just taking somewhat of a hit to falloff.
DarkAegix Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 426	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:23:00 - [12] - Quote Here's a tankier (I use the word relatively) fit: [Talos, 1600mm gank] Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Warrior II x5
Gorefacer STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES 0	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:34:00 - [13] - Quote Asuka Smith wrote: Sin Meng wrote: Stealthbug wrote: The idea of soloing in one of these I find about as attractive as letting maple syrup sun dry on my genitals. I wouldn't solo in this either, think more along the lines of their intended use, countering BS / drake blobs and taking down capitals, likely with logi support. You mean replacing one blob with another? The king is dead, long live the king. Ships in EVE are more effective in groups. Creating a new ship isn't going to change that axiom. Pointing this out is a bit like pointing out that the supercap changes won't make lvl 4's easier.
Hikaru Sulu Black Legion Industries 1	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:35:00 - [14] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Here's a tankier (I use the word relatively) fit: [Talos, 1600mm gank] Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Warrior II x5 Honestly I think that kind of fit is just counter-intuitive for this ship. You're sacrificing damage/tracking in the rigs for armor HP on a ship that starts with "low" armor HP at best. The best bet is to fit for damage, overheat everything, and hope you can melt them before taking damage becomes a problem. Lets say you have this ship fit like yours and run across a drake or a plated brutix. You're only hope with either is to just hit them in the face with as much damage as possible, because if you try to have EHP, they are still going to have exponentially more than you in every case, you can't afford to sacrifice the extra damage potential. 800mm plate + DMG Ctrl + EANM II is like the maximum tank you should have. I would almost say lose the EANM for another Mag Stab.
Emily Poast The Whipping Post 30	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:47:00 - [15] - Quote Sin Meng wrote: I used to play the game like you, then I took an arrow to the knee... So here is an EFT fit. ... heheh. Nice quote.
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 156	Posted - 2011.12.01 04:15:00 - [16] - Quote however, do tell me if there's any reason to use a talos over a Naga. or an Oracle. or a Tornado. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Sin Meng Creative Assembly 24	Posted - 2011.12.01 04:28:00 - [17] - Quote Grimpak wrote: however, do tell me if there's any reason to use a talos over a Naga. or an Oracle. or a Tornado. Tracking issues. The point is to stay under an enemy battleship's tracking while still being able to track them with your own battleship sized guns. Yes that implies getting in close, possibly even in web range, but thats what the AB is for. The Naga ends up having a dangerously higher sig radius with an extender + rigs which makes finding the sweet spot for tracking that much harder. When it comes to taking down caps, its about DPS, DPS, and DPS and a low sig radius to avoid death from bombs. Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1. EXAMPLE: Ever lived in 0.0? Seen a Maelstrom or Abaddon blob? Talos + logistics = problem solved. Regardless, this is a Talos fit thread, please take the "why not just use x instead" rabble elsewhere. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 6	Posted - 2011.12.01 04:28:00 - [18] - Quote Songbird wrote: these bc's are not pve ships - lack of drones should tell you that :). But a gang with 10 of these and a few logi should be a scary sighting. I'm thinking close to 1000 DPS per ship , and enough speed to catch any tier 1 or 2 BC and probably most battleships too. A gang with ten of these with logi's to catch BC or battleships??????? And against 10 BS with logi's?
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance 28	Posted - 2011.12.01 04:45:00 - [19] - Quote Sin Meng wrote: Tracking issues. The point is to stay under an enemy battleship's tracking while still being able to track them with your own battleship sized guns. Yes that implies getting in close, possibly even in web range, but thats what the AB is for. -snip- EXAMPLE: Ever lived in 0.0? Seen a Maelstrom or Abaddon blob? Talos + logistics = problem solved. Regardless, this is a Talos fit thread, please take the "why not just use x instead" rabble elsewhere. Luls. Alpha fleets vs Talos will be very amusing. You have to survive long enough for an armour logi's reps to cyclee on you once you get called primary. Second, I would hate to take this up against a neut domi. No cap = no AB = no guns + 5 bonused Ogre IIs + no tank = ROFL. You have a battle chubby for the Talos vs BS's which is undeserved. The Talos will excel as a cruiser and BC killer, where that web bonus can really start to bite. The way hybrids have been bufffed, a BC with AB under a T2 web will only be orbiting at 100m/s or less. You do not want to be hiding behind an 800mm plate facing offf against a Maelstrom, girlfriend. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 122	Posted - 2011.12.01 05:10:00 - [20] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: The Talos will excel as a cruiser and BC killer, where that web bonus can really start to bite. There is no web bonus. Damage and tracking now. It's been that way for weeks.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 122	Posted - 2011.12.01 05:11:00 - [21] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: The Talos will excel as a cruiser and BC killer, where that web bonus can really start to bite. There is no web bonus. Damage and tracking now. It's been that way for weeks.
Wylee Coyote Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2011.12.01 05:12:00 - [22] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: Sin Meng wrote: Tracking issues. The point is to stay under an enemy battleship's tracking while still being able to track them with your own battleship sized guns. Yes that implies getting in close, possibly even in web range, but thats what the AB is for. -snip- EXAMPLE: Ever lived in 0.0? Seen a Maelstrom or Abaddon blob? Talos + logistics = problem solved. Regardless, this is a Talos fit thread, please take the "why not just use x instead" rabble elsewhere. Luls. Alpha fleets vs Talos will be very amusing. You have to survive long enough for an armour logi's reps to cyclee on you once you get called primary. Second, I would hate to take this up against a neut domi. No cap = no AB = no guns + 5 bonused Ogre IIs + no tank = ROFL. You have a battle chubby for the Talos vs BS's which is undeserved. The Talos will excel as a cruiser and BC killer, *where that web bonus can really start to bite. The way hybrids have been bufffed, a BC with AB under a T2 web will only be orbiting at 100m/s or less. You do not want to be hiding behind an 800mm plate facing offf against a Maelstrom, girlfriend. Arnold Jackson wrote:* What you talkin bout Willis?
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 156	Posted - 2011.12.01 11:01:00 - [23] - Quote Sin Meng wrote: Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1. if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has. tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon. Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos. now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Onictus Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge 51	Posted - 2011.12.01 12:50:00 - [24] - Quote Grimpak wrote: Sin Meng wrote: Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1. if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has. tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon. Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos. now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough. Talos may work at medium/long(ish) range with rails, but its going to be very thin, and Naga will still do it better because it'll be able to fit guns AND is tank.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 39	Posted - 2011.12.01 14:07:00 - [25] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: Try a decent lvl IV mission in it and come back to tell us how it went................... Let me guess? someone stole your sweet roll?
Roosterton Eternal Frontier 169	Posted - 2011.12.01 15:57:00 - [26] - Quote Grimpak wrote: Sin Meng wrote: Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1. if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has. tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon. Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos. now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough. Talos is the only viable tier 3 BC for solo work. 4 mids/5 lows means it can fit a nice balance of tank, tackle, and DPS, and the dronebay + web(s) means it shouldn't get soloed by a rifter. Tornado is nice until something webs it, in which case you're dead. (Unless you fly an armor fit, but that has extremely negligible DPS, which is essential when you're solo.) Oracle doesn't have the mid slots or the dronebay to survive solo. Sort of like a Zealot, only with even worse tracking. The Naga at close range is basically a worse oracle, with less open mid slots for tackle since you're shield tanking, and no hybrid tracking bonus. So yes, the Talos does have its niche. In a 0.0 lagfest, the Tornado is probably king with arties. For small gang pewpew, the Oracle would probably be the best, with a decent mix of range + tank + gank. And for 150km+ sniping... The Naga. Not that people do this anymore.
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 156	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:00:00 - [27] - Quote Roosterton wrote: Grimpak wrote: Sin Meng wrote: Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1. if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has. tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon. Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos. now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough. Talos is the only viable tier 3 BC for solo work. 4 mids/5 lows means it can fit a nice balance of tank, tackle, and DPS, and the dronebay + web(s) means it shouldn't get soloed by a rifter. Tornado is nice until something webs it, in which case you're dead. (Unless you fly an armor fit, but that has extremely negligible DPS, which is essential when you're solo.) Oracle doesn't have the mid slots or the dronebay to survive solo. Sort of like a Zealot, only with even worse tracking. The Naga at close range is basically a worse oracle, with less open mid slots for tackle since you're shield tanking, and no hybrid tracking bonus. So yes, the Talos does have its niche. In a 0.0 lagfest, the Tornado is probably king with arties. For small gang pewpew, the Oracle would probably be the best, with a decent mix of range + tank + gank. And for 150km+ sniping... The Naga. Not that people do this anymore. for solo work however, anything bigger than a cruiser is really pushing it, so that niche is really very small. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Red Teufel Blackened Skies Death Jesters 14	Posted - 2011.12.01 18:49:00 - [28] - Quote you are going to be in trouble if you run into a few of these with logi support and they have light ecm drones in them.
To mare Advanced Technology 2	Posted - 2011.12.01 20:41:00 - [29] - Quote Grimpak wrote: however, do tell me if there's any reason to use a talos over a Naga. or an Oracle. or a Tornado. its the only one of the 4 that wont be killed by a t1 frig if it get close enough it do more dps than the other 3 bc
HybridOnslaught Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.01 23:34:00 - [30] - Quote i like the fit ild prob opt for somthing else other than the second prop. i was about to fit my one but the robbibng jita whores putting neutron to 7 mil a gun is crazy, mega puls is worse at 9mil

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