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Thoric Frosthammer
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:43:55 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:I have few unusually direct questions for you being as you and your alliance was one of those impacted by this change..
Was the phoebe jump changes a mistake? Would you fight to revert them? (Would you get rid of the 5 ly jump change? Jump bridge fatigue, etc) Do you believe there should be no jump fatigue timer at all?
One final question... It's pretty well known that the phoebe jump changes killed the botlord treaty.
Do you believe botlord was a good thing, and would you fight to reinstate such agreements if the phoebe changes were reverted? In other words, would you agree to return everything to the way it was before phoebe?
Thanks for the questions Phoenix.
1) The idea of neutering force projection was necessary, and I support it for the health of EVE. The way it has been implemented with jump fatigue I find to be singularly annoying and punitive. I would argue that the 5ly jump limit needs to be extended slightly because it prevents people from easily moving even within regions. Jump bridge fatigue is excessive and punitive given the cost and effort involved in holding the sov in the first place and installing the bridges. The timers are aggravating because they can reduce ability to coordinate in fleets because of previously acquired fatigue. I think there's a way of implementing a force projection limitation that doesn't involve this excessively complex and annoying mechanic.
2) There are many treaties and agreements in place that aren't as well known as B0Tlord. Many of them remain in force, and others are negotiated all the time. Politics is a thing in EVE. As an alliance leader, I will support whatever, at a diplomacy level, secures the interests of my alliance.
At a different level, I want to say that your premise is slightly off. B0Tlord didn't die because of Phoebe, at least not directly. It died because PL gave up its sov. That happened because of Phoebe. But if PL had sov today, I would bet you dollars to doughnuts that it would still be in force.
I'll go back to expand on my original candidate statement, and say that you can't "fix" EVE by telling people not to play the game to win, or to do things that aren't in their own interest to make your life easier. Human nature says that won't happen. What is needed are changes to the ruleset that penalize risk averse behavior. If signing something like B0Tlord kept you from acquiring resources that your alliance or coalition NEEDED to have, or which put you in a substantially better position, you wouldn't sign it. But since the resources don't change, and so once acquired, tend to stay acquired by the same entity, inertia sets in and those agreements make a lot of sense if your goal is to minimize risk to your own resources. |
ISD Ezwal
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Posted - 2015.02.11 19:36:56 -
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Rakai Yudhos
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.12 17:17:01 -
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Hail Thoric !! he surely get my vote
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2015.02.14 18:18:31 -
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Thorics a stand up gentleman! Has great depth and breadth of knowledge of the game both mechanically and sociologically and above all has a proven track record of good people and negotiatory skills. These, in my honest opinion, are more required and necessary than many people may think when it comes to being on the CSM, as the recent eve media fiasco of funky bacon has proven.
Good luck my friend! |
Caribou apex
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.15 02:13:39 -
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If you don't vote for this great man you are a casual. |
Pathas
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.15 10:39:31 -
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Thoric definitely has my vote. |
Reeses Peices
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.15 11:01:22 -
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Thoric Frosthammer wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:I have few unusually direct questions for you being as you and your alliance was one of those impacted by this change..
Was the phoebe jump changes a mistake? Would you fight to revert them? (Would you get rid of the 5 ly jump change? Jump bridge fatigue, etc) Do you believe there should be no jump fatigue timer at all?
One final question... It's pretty well known that the phoebe jump changes killed the botlord treaty.
Do you believe botlord was a good thing, and would you fight to reinstate such agreements if the phoebe changes were reverted? In other words, would you agree to return everything to the way it was before phoebe? Thanks for the questions Phoenix. 1) The idea of neutering force projection was necessary, and I support it for the health of EVE. The way it has been implemented with jump fatigue I find to be singularly annoying and punitive. I would argue that the 5ly jump limit needs to be extended slightly because it prevents people from easily moving even within regions. Jump bridge fatigue is excessive and punitive given the cost and effort involved in holding the sov in the first place and installing the bridges. The timers are aggravating because they can reduce ability to coordinate in fleets because of previously acquired fatigue. I think there's a way of implementing a force projection limitation that doesn't involve this excessively complex and annoying mechanic.
I agree with this. However, what would you propose to fix the fatigue problem?
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Thoric Frosthammer
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.16 04:00:20 -
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Several alternative methods or approaches have been proposed that I think would work better: 1) Shorter maximum fatigue/timer; 2) flat timer on jump, with no fatigue timer; 3) reduce fatigue arising from jb's as compared to a true jump (this is ancillary to the other two). I'm open minded on it, but i think the essence of most of them is reduce the escalation or cap it. Make it less applicable to jump bridges, which have a built in use cost already in terms of sov/fuel/etc. |
Reeses Peices
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.16 07:14:02 -
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What would you think about expanding New Eden, rather than constraining players into a smaller place. Rather than tying the players hand why not give them more room to move. I see no reason to penalize someone for using a faster method of transport if it is their desire to move rapidly across New Eden for any reason. Why not give new regions in all zones of space to explore and expand into?
If you want to reduce current SOV holders grasp. Why not do it through PVE as well as PVP. Create new NPC forces that wish to destroy all life that directly attack SOV structures with Capital and Subcap fleets of thier own. Why not have CCP generate more content for the players rather than completely leaving them alone to only come back and punish them for being successful.
I do not see the logic in the using punitive measures to control the players, when you can reshape the scenario in a positive manner. |
Thoric Frosthammer
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:54:24 -
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I'd be thrilled to see new content. I've been hoping since they started talking about player built stargates that we'd see a new sort of space with different rules of engagement. I still think nullspace is better with some limitations on how fast capital ships can move across it, however. We see a lot more *gudfights* in our neck of the universe since it became harder for everyone and their titan to 3rd party from across the universe.
The CFC has been using wormholes to good effect to 3rd party and have fun in other places.
I would, as i stated, prefer make the rules less punitive, but keep some restriction on rapid movement of capital ships in place. And yes, I own a super, and lots of capitals. I've actually gotten to log them on more and use them recently than before.
I completely agree that we're well overdue for a bit of new content to give us new and interesting goals however. It fits in with my platform of decreasing the rewards of risk aversion. If you HAVE to get out and fight some NPC's to hold your space periodically, it might lead to some good 3rd partying and fights. If you can't simply huddle in your station and wait for timers to blob, there will be more aggression. Of course, as always, poor execution can lead to tedium and making it even harder to hold sov, to the point it doesn't feel worthwhile to most people. It needs to be handled carefully.
So, i agree with you partially. |
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Reeses Peices
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:48:32 -
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Awesome, thank you for the thought out response. |
Rakai Yudhos
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.18 18:20:05 -
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BUMP FOR THORIC CSM 10
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StupidGenius Charante
Alea Iacta Est Universal Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.02.20 06:10:26 -
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Recently, Thoric sat down with us over at Cap Stable for an interview, you can find it here: http://capstable.net/2015/02/18/thoric-frosthammer/ |
Synchope
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.20 06:12:39 -
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Vote for Thoric! |
Skymea
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.20 06:13:27 -
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+1 for a great leader!
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Dackota
Mindstar Technology Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.20 06:31:06 -
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I hold Thoric in extremely high regard personally, he has been an extremely good alliance leader for us. I also agree with his views on Eve and where the game should go, so he will have my vote. There are a lot of LAWN members on here showing support, please dont take that as a sign of nepotism but rather a genuine belief that if Thoric is involved in something it will likely be better for it.
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Nutsin Ackabursk
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.20 09:22:02 -
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THORIC for CSM 10 |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2015.02.20 11:21:15 -
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Thoric Frosthammer wrote:
My ideas aren't specifically related to support for large coalitions. The point I'm making is that stagnation, and the lack of a place for smaller entities in NullSec, aren't the fault of larger coalitions.
Not sure I agree with this. The stagnation is very much the fault of the coalitions in my opinion. Smaller entities are virtually extinct because the coalitions either killed them all or swallowed them up. I don't see how any sov mechanic that CCP introduces could prevent anyone from forming a massive blob if that's what they are determined to do.
I agree with you on risk aversion, which is the cause of the coalitions.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Thoric Frosthammer
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:13:23 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Thoric Frosthammer wrote:
My ideas aren't specifically related to support for large coalitions. The point I'm making is that stagnation, and the lack of a place for smaller entities in NullSec, aren't the fault of larger coalitions.
Not sure I agree with this. The stagnation is very much the fault of the coalitions in my opinion. Smaller entities are virtually extinct because the coalitions either killed them all or swallowed them up. I don't see how any sov mechanic that CCP introduces could prevent anyone from forming a massive blob if that's what they are determined to do. I agree with you on risk aversion, which is the cause of the coalitions. EDIT - You make some good points regarding risk-aversion in other posts.
Speedkermit, I think there are a number of ways they can introduce mechanics - not just sov mechanics, but game mechanics, that can create diminishing returns when you go full blob. Just a few random examples could include diminishing returns on links for larger fleets, perhaps an increase in signature size for individual members of a fleet as it got larger. Perhaps ecm could be tweaked to have a small aoe effect that might discourage simply orbiting an fc and hitting f1 on command.
I haven't thought any of those through completely, so I disclaim their being GoodIdeas(tm) by themselves, but accept them as an illustration of game mechanics that could tone down n+1 combat
Numbers will always matter, but you can at least make it so that if you can get CLOSE, you can count on not being completely outclassed. Which would encourage fights.
Also, the thing about large coalitions.... people play games to win. If the best way to play is accumulating a large coalition, people will take that path. (And don't mistake it for easy mode. The politics of a large coalition are hard, or you wouldn't see so many organizations failscading) Blaming people for making a winning move, or telling them they shouldn't do so because you would prefer to win once in a while is pretty much the anathema of a sandbox game. Generally speaking, the answer if most people aren't having fun in your game is to create new content and rulesets that allow people of all sizes to have achievable, fun goals. CCP has had some great successes and epic failures in that realm over the years. All I can do is offer my point of view on what worked and didn't over the course of the past decade or so. |
VeryWorshipful Brother Hodious
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.21 07:00:17 -
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+1 Thoric for CSM X.
I agree with a lot of his ideas, and think that it would be good to have him on the CSM.
You have my vote |
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Mon Kiera
Not going Away Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.21 14:14:28 -
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another worthwhile candidate |
Caribou apex
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.21 21:10:46 -
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THORIC IS THE FUTURE of EVE!!!!! |
Bellak Hark
New Eden Media Organization
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:31:11 -
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It's yours now. |
Gyges Skyeye
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.22 07:12:42 -
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Dackota wrote:I hold Thoric in extremely high regard personally, he has been an extremely good alliance leader for us. I also agree with his views on Eve and where the game should go, so he will have my vote. There are a lot of LAWN members on here showing support, please dont take that as a sign of nepotism but rather a genuine belief that if Thoric is involved in something it will likely be better for it.
I would like to echo this. Us lawn member's here showing support are doing so because we appreciate the dedication and competency that we've known Thoric for in his duties as our alliance leader. Perhaps one of the most important distinctions I'd like to raise is that being an alliance leader in Eve is a volunteer job. Thoric isn't getting paid for any of the time he spends here. He has no eve-media site generating ad-revenue for him. He is doing this because he has a passion and care for this game and the community that shares it. All of us players of Eve would be very fortunate as a community if we get to enjoy having Thoric as a CSM member. |
Skymea
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.22 09:22:18 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMoUyfUFEmY
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Skymea
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.23 03:57:20 -
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This is the part where you watch my video.
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Demented471
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Posted - 2015.02.23 03:58:11 -
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Thankfully Thoric Frosthammer is not an aspirant of our lord and savior Micro-Jump-Drive
There was once was a man from Jita..
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Inbred Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.23 03:59:37 -
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This is relevant to my interests. |
Alterari Phoenix
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.23 04:00:02 -
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From thorics favorite problem child lets take a moment to realise how good of a leader this man is. i mean come on he deals with me on a daily basis :D <3 |
Skymea
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.23 04:26:43 -
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good night sweet prince
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