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Alexi Drakenovic
Ishukone Reserve Military Division
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Posted - 2015.02.04 03:44:00 -
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Hey guys,
Okay, I've read all the stuff about Criminal Status, but i have a few questions that i am still not 100% about, as different players keep telling me different;
1, If i see a player with a flashing yellow symbol, can i attack him without CONCORD getting involved? and if yes, can i also pop there pod?
2, If i see a player with a flashing red symbol, can i attack him without CONCORD getting involved? and if yes, can i also pop there pod?
3, will i suffer a security status drop from attacking yellows and reds?
Thanks for taking the time to help out with these stupid questions, just want to be sure before i go do it, or tell someone else the wrong info |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.02.04 03:48:03 -
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yes, yes, yes, yes, no.
But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it. |
Alexi Drakenovic
Ishukone Reserve Military Division
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Posted - 2015.02.04 03:51:47 -
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Awesome, thank you, i was just really confused on the matter, glad it wont incure a security drop, i wasnt planning on hunting anyone, but i am currently operating near Uitra and there are alot of yellows in Kestrels or haulers.. and yeah.. Was just wondering as i am using a Garmur |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.02.04 03:53:13 -
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1. flashing yellow is known as suspect. anyone can shoot a suspect without concord showing up, note that they have the right to then defend themselves. I'm pretty sure you can shoot suspect pods, but not 100% on that
2. Criminal status, yep you can shoot them, however concord will be getting involved, however concord will be getting involved with also shooting them. 99% sure you can pod them. (although I might be confusing the podding bit with outlaw status where their sec status is below minus five. where you can shoot and pod them without concord doing anything, and as they haven't done anything wrong (at least in the very recent past as far as concord is concerned) concord will not pursue them)
3. you only get sec status hits for things concord doesn't like, as concord won't shoot you for any of the above, no you won't lose sec status.
this dev blog will probably answer what I didn't clarify: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-the-new-and-improved-crimewatch/
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Trey Kutoi
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.04 03:54:11 -
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make sure it has a blinking yellow or red skull, otherwise you might unexpectedly lose said garmur to the cops. not everything that blinks is criminal or a legal target |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.02.04 04:20:27 -
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Trey Kutoi wrote:make sure it has a blinking yellow or red skull, otherwise you might unexpectedly lose said garmur to the cops. not everything that blinks is criminal or a legal target
imo that means you set up your overview wrong.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.02.04 04:34:28 -
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Beware of the suspect baiter. It may look like an easy kill but it's probably not. 
Go to town on Reds (although most of them are pretty slippery), just think twice before you attack a yellow, haulers should be safe but the battle nereus is also a thing.
If you do decide to focus on haulers fit multiple scrams as the ones scooping loot will usually have stabs.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Alexi Drakenovic
Ishukone Reserve Military Division
25
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Posted - 2015.02.04 04:39:18 -
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Holy crap, haha! That would be embarrassing to loose to that, i was mainly talking about the T1 Frigates or Destroyers i see flying around near the starter systems with suspect flags, saw one guy in a Destroyer killing Ibis's and Kestrels for fun.. I was in a Venture so no luck on removing him, but i was wondering cause i have what i think is a solid PvP fit for the Garmur, and i would prefer to test it on people killing new players then someone who has had a few months or years worth of PvP |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
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Posted - 2015.02.04 04:51:50 -
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Just a warning - the flashing yellow symbol isn't tied to the suspect flag, it's based upon your overview settings.
I have my overview set up to show suspects as solid yellow, criminals as solid red, and war targets (who I need to pay the most attention to, as they are allowed to initiate combat with me) as flashy red.
The default settings are, however, flashy yellow = suspect, flashy red = criminal.
Usually, a suspect actively wants them to shoot you. Sometimes they believe they have a big advantage over an unknown opponent (logistics support, off-grid boosting, or just confidence). Other times, they just want fights.
If in doubt, set your safety to yellow (in highsec) or green (in lowsec), and you will not be able to initiate any combat that will provoke either a CONCORD or sentry gun response, but be aware - your target can and will shoot back.
If you just want fights - you could always try sitting suspect flagged on a highsec gate... Someone will take a shot at you.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Bagatur I
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:32:15 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:yes, yes, yes, yes, no.
But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it.
I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it. |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:52:28 -
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Bagatur I wrote:[quote=Gregor Parud]I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it.
A Weapons Timer will prevent you from jumping gates or docking in stations, that is why people bring this up. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:55:30 -
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Bagatur I wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:yes, yes, yes, yes, no.
But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it. I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it.
You must have understood all of the rules and mechanics out of the box right?
It is very common for a noob to spend the 15 or so seconds required to dock up and change ships viciously hitting the dock button and not realizing they have a weapons timer. I have caught my fair share and I rarely spend time baiting.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1042
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:58:53 -
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It's not just noobs. The amount of mission runners in Golems and whatnot who hang around in their mission after having shot that pesky salvaging frigate who then quickly "ran away" is hilarious. And they STILL tend to be around when you come back in a Legion/Loki.
People are dumb as hell. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
952
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Posted - 2015.02.04 15:03:37 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:It's not just noobs. The amount of mission runners in Golems and whatnot who hang around in their mission after having shot that pesky salvaging frigate who then quickly "ran away" is hilarious. And they STILL tend to be around when you come back in a Legion/Loki.
People are dumb as hell.
last time that happened I waited in my mission in an enyo and the guy who came in with a wolf was most unpleasantly surprised.
:D |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
353
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Posted - 2015.02.04 15:09:54 -
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Alexi Drakenovic wrote:Holy crap, haha! That would be embarrassing to loose to that, i was mainly talking about the T1 Frigates or Destroyers i see flying around near the starter systems with suspect flags, saw one guy in a Destroyer killing Ibis's and Kestrels for fun.. I was in a Venture so no luck on removing him, but i was wondering cause i have what i think is a solid PvP fit for the Garmur, and i would prefer to test it on people killing new players then someone who has had a few months or years worth of PvP
Keep in mind that there are strict limits on what you can adn cant do in starter systems. For instance you cannot "can" bait. I suspect that rule is the same for suspect baiting as well. Also remember that there are two type of folks who go suspect in high sec - noobs and those looking for a fight. Noobs are those that get tricked into going suspect or do so accidentally. Everybody else does it intentionally to provoke a fight. If you see someone go suspect you should presuppose that they are looking for a fight and are prepared - which means that if you attack them in your pve fit ship, you're likely going to lose. So if you want to engage in pvp you need a plan, which at a minimum involves having a ship that is setup for pvp. GL
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
353
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Posted - 2015.02.04 15:14:15 -
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Bagatur I wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:yes, yes, yes, yes, no.
But understand that if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back and you'll have a limited timer between the two of you where he can attack you. So, generally, if you see someone yellow (suspect) it's a trap; he WANTS you to attack him and then he either kills you with his little ship (possibly with some help) or he switches ship to something bigger and meaner. So, just don't do it. I am always confused why people bring up the bolded part? Sure he can change, but you gotta be pretty stupid to hang around and wait for him to do so. You will be either somewhere else in the system, or docked, or jump to another system. Nothing prevents you from doing it.
What frequently happens is that folk get tunnel vision - they say to themselves - I won, he's not coming, high-fives all around. They chatting on ts or typing in corp/alliance channel saying what a noob the who attacked them was and are linking the km. Then they try and loot the wreck and by that time - the guy they attacked is back on grid and things are not going so well.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1042
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Posted - 2015.02.04 15:14:42 -
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Any sort of fuckery with newbies in designated newbie systems (both starter as career system) is NOT allowed and will result in a GM yelling at you using harsh language.
Don't do it. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8745
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Posted - 2015.02.04 15:26:17 -
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Of course they could just kill you in that pidely little frigate, sometimes not but its generally worth checking the killboard of anyone suspect baiting just to be sure your not walking into an engagement engineered against you.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2015.02.04 16:31:47 -
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Now that everyone has explained why you shouldn't shoot those yellows and reds, let me be the first to recommend it 
Yes, its probably a trap
Yes they are probably in a pvp capable ship just itching to murder some poor young nubbin.
Yes your skills are probably crap compared to theirs.
You learn more from one good adversary than you will from 100 forum posts.
There they are, offering you content and learning on a silver platter.
You can learn to scan them down in system, hunt them in the comfort of high sec, stalk prey
pattern them etc.
Some folk like hunting deer, some folk like hunting other predators 
get you feet wet, don't act like a knob and start up a convo with the pilot. learn and grow in the sandbox. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8745
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Posted - 2015.02.04 16:44:38 -
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L'ouris wrote:Now that everyone has explained why you shouldn't shoot those yellows and reds, let me be the first to recommend it Yes, its probably a trap Yes they are probably in a pvp capable ship just itching to murder some poor young nubbin. Yes your skills are probably crap compared to theirs. You learn more from one good adversary than you will from 100 forum posts. There they are, offering you content and learning on a silver platter. You can learn to scan them down in system, hunt them in the comfort of high sec, stalk prey pattern them etc. Some folk like hunting deer, some folk like hunting other predators get you feet wet, don't act like a knob and start up a convo with the pilot. learn and grow in the sandbox.
See my link, it's exactly that.
I was chatting with them afterwards and apparently they had a falcon cloaked on grid just incase.
I'm flattered they thought it might've been necessary but my point was they checked my kb beforehand and didn't underestimate .
By all means , engage away but do some cursory examination beforehand.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.05 04:28:46 -
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I think that is is worth noting that this stuff is changeable and people can only speak to what is usually so as far as settings go. People can tell you the consequences of shooting at someone who is suspect or criminal but you can change how suspect and criminal display for you.
I'm not an overview set up expert nor someone who knows a lot about engaging people. I just think it's worth noting that with the click of a button you can import someone's messed up overview and have no idea what the frack is going on. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.02.05 08:23:43 -
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That's a very good point. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 19:35:16 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:I think that is is worth noting that this stuff is changeable and people can only speak to what is usually so as far as settings go. People can tell you the consequences of shooting at someone who is suspect or criminal but you can change how suspect and criminal display for you.
I'm not an overview set up expert nor someone who knows a lot about engaging people. I just think it's worth noting that with the click of a button you can import someone's messed up overview and have no idea what the frack is going on.
As long as you set your safety button thingy to green, you should never be concorded and your sec status should never fall, no matter how bad your overview settings are. If you do, its a bug and CCP will reimburse you. |
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