I saw this on Reddit...and the response was generally negative. There's nothing really special about joining a startup corporation and robbing them blind when it grows. It just proves you're untrustworthy.

Well...

Firstly, congrats on the ISK received.

It is the nature of EVE. The weak are prey, it really is as simple as that.

He was just to trustworthy with corp members and paid the price. It is sad that made him leave, if he truly was that new I wonder if he actually sunk real money for plex to get things going. Lossing real money is always terrible, but if he only lost isk he made ingame I bet it would have not hit home as hard.

Needless to say, theft is theft, people will prolly warn corps when you join them, or if you are lucky nobody will really care. leaving you to do so again and again.

I salute you. Well done. o7

My only complaint is that you didn't name names. The other guy on reddit also carefully edited all names from his screenshots. It makes for a more memorable story if you disclose the details. Since there are no real consequences for this sort of thing (in the real world sense), there is no reason to conceal the identities of your targets.

For the actual profit : 10/10. Well done.

For the scam itself : 1/10. Stealing from someone (who actually was stupid/naive/whatever enough to give it away) is not considered a scam. There is no grand design , no plot , no difficulty involved.

For your scamming career:
Try to be VERY careful when boasting about stealing stuff in the sandbox freedom of EVE. Robbing someone of his PLEX, which is directly associated with real life money can be prosecuted as a criminal act according and depending on laws and regulations applicable in each country/state/other (read the terms of service). Not to mention advertising it. You will find the relative detail in your post.

Most people are unaware of this and feel somewhat safe behind cyber names and game safeties. Blurred definitions however may lead to consequences outside sandbox scamming and dealing with real life's justice system. Yes cyber-crime laws are a fresh field and still evolving but actions involving money, especially when it is the property of someone else, don't get easily overlooked.

I don't mean to sound grim or anything. Just felt the obligation to let people know how things look from the 'outside' due to my actual involvement in a law related profession. There are a number of debated articles and posts around these and other forums mentioning how EVE 'promotes' specific behaviors, forgetting how ALL responsibility is on the actual player. I am really amazed at how many players prefer to remain ignorant. Take care when scamming and feeling the urge to share your 'success'.

Smart, shady scams are your friends. Apologies for the tl;dr post.

For the actual profit : 10/10. Well done.

For the scam itself : 1/10. Stealing from someone (who actually was stupid/naive/whatever enough to give it away) is not considered a scam. There is no grand design , no plot , no difficulty involved.

For your scamming career:
Try to be VERY careful when boasting about stealing stuff in the sandbox freedom of EVE. Robbing someone of his PLEX, which is directly associated with real life money can be prosecuted as a criminal act according and depending on laws and regulations applicable in each country/state/other (read the terms of service). Not to mention advertising it. You will find the relative detail in your post.

Most people are unaware of this and feel somewhat safe behind cyber names and game safeties. Blurred definitions however may lead to consequences outside sandbox scamming and dealing with real life's justice system. Yes cyber-crime laws are a fresh field and still evolving but actions involving money, especially when it is the property of someone else, don't get easily overlooked.

I don't mean to sound grim or anything. Just felt the obligation to let people know how things look from the 'outside' due to my actual involvement in a law related profession. There are a number of debated articles and posts around these and other forums mentioning how EVE 'promotes' specific behaviors, forgetting how ALL responsibility is on the actual player. I am really amazed at how many players prefer to remain ignorant. Take care when scamming and feeling the urge to share your 'success'.

Smart, shady scams are your friends. Apologies for the tl;dr post.

For the actual profit : 10/10. Well done.

For the scam itself : 1/10. Stealing from someone (who actually was stupid/naive/whatever enough to give it away) is not considered a scam. There is no grand design , no plot , no difficulty involved.

For your scamming career:
Try to be VERY careful when boasting about stealing stuff in the sandbox freedom of EVE. Robbing someone of his PLEX, which is directly associated with real life money can be prosecuted as a criminal act according and depending on laws and regulations applicable in each country/state/other (read the terms of service). Not to mention advertising it. You will find the relative detail in your post.

Most people are unaware of this and feel somewhat safe behind cyber names and game safeties. Blurred definitions however may lead to consequences outside sandbox scamming and dealing with real life's justice system. Yes cyber-crime laws are a fresh field and still evolving but actions involving money, especially when it is the property of someone else, don't get easily overlooked.

I don't mean to sound grim or anything. Just felt the obligation to let people know how things look from the 'outside' due to my actual involvement in a law related profession. There are a number of debated articles and posts around these and other forums mentioning how EVE 'promotes' specific behaviors, forgetting how ALL responsibility is on the actual player. I am really amazed at how many players prefer to remain ignorant. Take care when scamming and feeling the urge to share your 'success'.

Smart, shady scams are your friends. Apologies for the tl;dr post.

What I think people are missing here isn't that I just joined and he gave me plex, but rather that I built up enough trust with him that he was perfectly willing to give me that much.

Also I'm safe from legal action because he gave me the PLEX willingly, I never signed a contract saying I would give it back. It's like, if you handed someone $100 and asked them to bring back more, if they never came back you'd have 0 legal ground for suing them.

Verbal agreements can be legally binding. There's a reason con artists get sent to prison even though their victims hand over cash willingly.

That said, it'd be unlikely a game based theft would ever go that far. It's certainly an interesting point when it is PLEX that was directly injected from a purchase though.

For the actual profit : 10/10. Well done.

For the scam itself : 1/10. Stealing from someone (who actually was stupid/naive/whatever enough to give it away) is not considered a scam. There is no grand design , no plot , no difficulty involved.

For your scamming career:
Try to be VERY careful when boasting about stealing stuff in the sandbox freedom of EVE. Robbing someone of his PLEX, which is directly associated with real life money can be prosecuted as a criminal act according and depending on laws and regulations applicable in each country/state/other (read the terms of service). Not to mention advertising it. You will find the relative detail in your post.

Most people are unaware of this and feel somewhat safe behind cyber names and game safeties. Blurred definitions however may lead to consequences outside sandbox scamming and dealing with real life's justice system. Yes cyber-crime laws are a fresh field and still evolving but actions involving money, especially when it is the property of someone else, don't get easily overlooked.

I don't mean to sound grim or anything. Just felt the obligation to let people know how things look from the 'outside' due to my actual involvement in a law related profession. There are a number of debated articles and posts around these and other forums mentioning how EVE 'promotes' specific behaviors, forgetting how ALL responsibility is on the actual player. I am really amazed at how many players prefer to remain ignorant. Take care when scamming and feeling the urge to share your 'success'.

Smart, shady scams are your friends. Apologies for the tl;dr post.

Second, I know what I did is bad

Omfg you are allowed to scam peoples plex they just bought with 500$ of their family's monthly grocery fund.

You just aint allowed to ask/convince the guy to take $500 from his families grocery fund and THEN directly scam it from him.
If he took a loan on his house and bought plex by his own free will and you didnt suggest it to him, you can scam it all legally.

Just cant convince the guy to spend money to buy plex specifically for you to then scam

Wtf cant you people read or listen?

He wasn't new, he's been playing for years, he took a year break and came back, which is when I came into the picture.

Also the toon in question was a station trading alt and a miner I bought for 2 bil, so I'm perfectly fine to repeat.

Only idiots call it a toon.

Try to be VERY careful when boasting about stealing stuff in the sandbox freedom of EVE. Robbing someone of his PLEX, which is directly associated with real life money can be prosecuted as a criminal act according and depending on laws and regulations applicable in each country/state/other (read the terms of service). Not to mention advertising it. You will find the relative detail in your post.

Legal? Probably.

Ethical? Nope. Just another joke scammer trying to ruin the game experience of people actually working together to, you know, play the game.

Which is how the game was advertised? Be the villain and all that?

Then, after being found out and kicked, I receive this mail which actually kinda broke my heart

http://imgur.com/xlCuYTw&m7lgOeI&9uv9i4b#1

I hate it when I see someone quit the game over something like this. Then again, putting $1000 into an online game in a short period of time is kinda strange.

Just another joke scammer trying to ruin the game experience of people actually working together to, you know, play the game.

Legal? Probably.

Ethical? Nope. Just another joke scammer trying to ruin the game experience of people actually working together to, you know, play the game.

Veers, when will you learn that space sheckles are the only things that matter

People here might applaud the 'OP' but I think these actions are hateful and utterly disgusting.

What a weasel to come here and brag about it.

gnashing of teeth

Scamming it might be for the best if it convinces him to stop playing instead of spending a fortune on imaginary currency.

For the actual profit : 10/10. Well done.

For the scam itself : 1/10. Stealing from someone (who actually was stupid/naive/whatever enough to give it away) is not considered a scam. There is no grand design , no plot , no difficulty involved.

For your scamming career:
Try to be VERY careful when boasting about stealing stuff in the sandbox freedom of EVE. Robbing someone of his PLEX, which is directly associated with real life money can be prosecuted as a criminal act according and depending on laws and regulations applicable in each country/state/other (read the terms of service). Not to mention advertising it. You will find the relative detail in your post.

Most people are unaware of this and feel somewhat safe behind cyber names and game safeties. Blurred definitions however may lead to consequences outside sandbox scamming and dealing with real life's justice system. Yes cyber-crime laws are a fresh field and still evolving but actions involving money, especially when it is the property of someone else, don't get easily overlooked.

I don't mean to sound grim or anything. Just felt the obligation to let people know how things look from the 'outside' due to my actual involvement in a law related profession. There are a number of debated articles and posts around these and other forums mentioning how EVE 'promotes' specific behaviors, forgetting how ALL responsibility is on the actual player. I am really amazed at how many players prefer to remain ignorant. Take care when scamming and feeling the urge to share your 'success'.

Smart, shady scams are your friends. Apologies for the tl;dr post.

I think it's simply very sad that someone would willingly and knowingly inflict that sort of unpleasantness on another person. Isn't there enough unhappiness in the world?

You can macho up all you want; call me soft, naive or whatever; call his/her action brilliant, devious or reprehensible, but in the end I think it is simply sad.

I don't think our virtual selves are so very different from our real characters, and eventually the chickens come home to roost. Those who devalue trust, friendship and respect end up paying the price. At 60, I've seen it happen time and again. There's no Divine retribution. That's simply how life works.