Kale Silence
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Posted - 2015.02.10 00:10:39 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Well, that sounds um, better maybe than heretic, I guess. I really hadn't been called that one, so I don't really know if it is bad or not.
Samira Kernher wrote: It's worse. At least a heretic still believes in God, even if they reject His true Word, and at least an infidel is justified in their faithlessness by the ignorance of their upbringing.
An apostate, however, is guilty of the original sin. An apostate has known God, and chosen to reject Him.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice."
-Missions 5:14
I have a question. I'm a heathfidel and I don't really give a **** about gods or whatever outside of Matari culture. Even then not so much.
Anyway, this comment confuses me. It sounds like you just said that a heretic is not as bad as an apostate, which goes against literally everything I've ever heard or seen with the amarr empire.
Now, I could just be an ignorant heathfidel or whatever bull**** you think of me as, but from what I can tell about the Amarr religion, that kinda sounds like you messed up in your wording.
See, isn't the word "heretic" meaning "one who rejects the true faith" pure and simple? Regardless of what they do after?
It seems to me the only difference between a heretic and an apostate is that one finds a new religion after?
Because if that's not the case, then why the **** would the Amarr empire be so damn hateful against the so called "heretics"? You never hear anything on the galnet about how the Amarr are hunting down the dreaded apostates, but you can bet your ass that "heretics" seem to make you golden types froth at the mouth and band together to hunt them down like a cancer.
If Apostates are worse, you'd think we'd hear more about them. It just sounds like they fall into the same category with a slightly different twist.
Another thing that confuses me was the "at least" you had in there.
Samira Kernher wrote: At least a heretic still believes in God, even if they reject His true Word.
Honestly, if they still believe in God, and that's worthy of an "at least", who are you to say your version is better? You just made it sound like they are on a slightly lower level than the Amarr religion.
Which, if I understand correctly, saying something like that would **** off the Theology council a bit, I would think.
Seriously, inconsistency much?
EDIT: After seeing this comment I edited mine 
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:As for the definition of heretic: any member of the faith that abandons orthodox teachings and embraces practices and beliefs declared crimes against God. This can and does get re-defined, at the behest of the Privy and Theology Councils. Most recently in the case of the Khanid Kingdom. Actually, a heretic doesn't need to abandon orthodoxy. For example someone born and raised as a Bloodraider would be a heretic, without having abandoned orthodoxy, for the fact that they never were part of orthodoxy. Basically, a heretic is everyone who belongs to a cult that descends from the Amarrian church, but which deviated from the core dogmas and doctrines so far that it falls outside of heterodoxy, because it not only takes different positions on debatable points, but espouses manifest falsehoods. Heathens are usually differentiated from that in that their cult never was part of the church to begin with.
Seems to me that the categories go heretic/apostate, heathen/infidel.
Just different words to encompass slight differences. Just like Brutor and sebbie are different, but they both fall under the same category of "Minmatar". Or, to bring it back, "Heathen". 
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Kale Silence
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:58:19 -
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Albizu Zateki wrote:Kale Silence wrote:
Seems to me that the categories go heretic/apostate, heathen/infidel.
The traditional Amarr response to other faiths goes something like this: Heathen/Atheist: Convert. If necessary, enslave and/or kill. Infidel: Enslave and convert or kill. Heretic: Kill. Apostate: Kill.
See?! That was my whole ****ing point!
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