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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:31:21 -
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There are a few things that can be deduced from the Drifters depiction by CCP that give us a short insight into the design concept and the general art direction that CCP took with these guys (and apparently gals).
1. Heavy Cybernetic Modification
One of their most striking feature.
We know the Jove favored or better said adored genetic modification. The Drifters seem to have the same obsession - only they'd rather stick pliers and motherboards in their heads rather than grow an extra set of muscles.
Genetic modification usually indicates a need or will to transcend the limitations of the biological.
On the other hand cybernetic modification is indicative of a more efficiency oriented way of thinking and the realization that the biological no matter how genetically augmented has it's limitations (in theory), or to facilitate a man-machine interaction.
Also so far there is no indication that they might use capsules - their Jove lineage may support this as we know that the Jove don't use them either. Therefore we can assume that the principal role of these cybernetic modifications is to achieve a more efficient and direct connection with their ship's systems and to augment the computing power of their brains (think Kharan S'Jet). There is no evidence of being more than one Drifter in their battleships so a lot of cybernetic integration would be necessary to be able to simultaneously compute all the calculations necessary to fly a ship of that size without a crew and a capsule. Somehow I doubt that all that hard-wiring in their heads is there to make them solve crosswords faster.
2. Although heavily modified a special interest has been taken to keep the face "screw-free".
One can argument that this has been done by CCP in order to have a way for them to express emotions. After all a toaster-faced humanoid conveys little emotion apart from "I wanna burn your toast". Facial expressions are after all one of the primary ways through which social interaction can be achieved. If there are plans for more interactions with these guys (through cinematics for example) there needs to be a way to dramatize this interaction with them and body language is never enough in this cases.
Lore-wise it can also be argued that the Drifters do this consciously and having a recognizable face is something that has some degree of importance (After all if efficiency is what you're looking for, nostrils are not that much of power-up so there must be a reason as to why they don't have rebreathers instead of noses and mouths).
3. Dat gender difference!
A lot of work has been put in by CCP into creating the female Drifter.
Somehow I doubt that this was done simply to appease the feminazis. After all I didn't hear much complaining about not seeing a female Sansha or female Blood Raider or for all intents and purposes even a female Jove! The only ones on which gender difference plays a role (theoretically) are the playable races.
Will the Drifters someday be a playable race? Possible or probable.
Lore-wise the gender difference seems to have some importance (otherwise why would there be one ?) Maybe female Drifters have different roles and responsibilities in their society. (and I don't imply "shut up and go make me a hyper-euclidian sandwich!")
So far in-game there hasn't been any instance in which it mattered if you shot at a female or a male character. So maybe in this case there will be one.
However my money's on them being at a later point playable (and then the choice between male or female would have some significance).
It can also be argued that the gender difference is there simply for the sake of diversity but I find that argument rather shallow.
4. Dem names!
Apollo and Artemis. They have and "old-but-powerfull" ring to them seing as their are names taken from the Greek pantheon.
Even Startegos (also taken from Greek) reflects a position of out-most importance - the Strategos was the highest military leader in Classical Greece and even nowadays the highest function in the Greek Army is that of Startegos (something akin to Marshal).
Greek naming is thus heavily used. And this, combined with their outrageously powered weaponry, helps in conveying them a certain unseen yet recognizable level of power. Like the gods they are named after.
Vigilant Tyrannos is also a weird combination.
Vigilance defines a heightened state of attention and alertness.
The world vigil also defines a period of purposeful and willing state of sleeplessness (usually devotional watching, although nowadays it's synonymous to a wake).
I very much doubt that (here) it is related to "vigilante" which defines a person that takes law into his won hands.
Tyrannos defines the role of the leader. Although nowadays considered a pejorative term in pre-classical Greece it meant simply leader, ruler of the polis (city).
So in Drifter it may be a way of saying the Awake Rulers/Lords, Sleepless Rulers/Lords or Watchful Rulers/Lords.
Lastly their faction name: Drifters.
It may indicate a nomadic lifestyle (they drift, never settling in one place) which could be tied to why they are present in Thukker tribe territory (which are a nomadic Minmatar tribe). Maybe they found a common ground with the Thukkers.
Or it may indicate their way of navigating space. As their ships do no seem to use what we have come to think of as normal propulsion. They instead use propulsion rods which seem to distort the fabric of space time thus allowing them to "drift" through space.
Or maybe both.
Personally I'm getting a weird "The Machine Crusade" vibe. Waiting on the Agamemnon Tyrannos :D
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
497
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:43:24 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:1. Heavy Cybernetic Modification This could be one of their ways of escaping the Jovian Disease. While we know it as a psychological illness from the Jove poking and prodding where they shouldn't, the Drifters perhaps found a way around this by merging more with technology, and using that to monitor their status - any issues that could potentially cause them to fall into a degenerate state would be rapidly repaired by the symbiotic technological systems running in them - much like how we can scan for genetic anomolies today, but on a much more advanced scale.
it also opens up the realm of their weaknesses - are they more suseptible to EM interference when they are seperated from their ships? Whilst they might be hardened against it, a sufficently large charge would overcome their defences (and possibly fry the drifter, but whatever). We do need to pin one down and do some testing.
Nami Kumamato wrote:2. Although heavily modified a special interest has been taken to keep the face "screw-free". A lot of body langauge comes from the face - the Drifters might not be fully human anymore, but there would be some aspects of their humanity left - a simple relocation of an eyebrow for example can shift a phrase from a serious tone to a more light hearted or sarcastic one. Even if they have other methods of contacting each other (telepathy/direct neural interfacing), facial awareness would still be a primary means of making sure someone understands what you are trying to say.
"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
507
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:52:53 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:1. Heavy Cybernetic Modification This could be one of their ways of escaping the Jovian Disease. While we know it as a psychological illness from the Jove poking and prodding where they shouldn't, the Drifters perhaps found a way around this by merging more with technology, and using that to monitor their status - any issues that could potentially cause them to fall into a degenerate state would be rapidly repaired by the symbiotic technological systems running in them - much like how we can scan for genetic anomolies today, but on a much more advanced scale.
The Jovian Disease argument is still uncertain as it depends when exactly they have separated from the main Jove Empire.
It may be that they seceded (if this is the case) from the True Jove before the emergence of the Jovian Disease.
Until we know for certain when exactly the Drifters became stand-alone (again, if this is the case) we cannot say with a degree of certainty that they are or are not affected by the Jovian Disease.
It still remains a speculation.
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
507
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Posted - 2015.02.11 12:00:26 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:3. Dat gender difference! I think they wouldn't have massively different roles; since they are well beyond us techonologically, gender could literally be a personal preference for them, for which they could change on a whim. However, if we are going by this, we would have to map the societal structue of the Drifters - are they a Patriarchical or Matriarchical Society? Do they have a single ruler or are they governed by a council? Do they have a civilian base or are they entirely militarised (much like the Borg)? Without answers to these questions we can't immediately assume that one gender has a specific role that the other cannot fulfill just as easily.
For the moment the question is not as to what extent the gender difference affects their society - as you have said we do not know enough on the subject. However they are the first faction to be presented in this way so this must be done for a reason.
If the reason is "because it looked cool" we might be in for disappointment.
Hope it is not.
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
29807
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Posted - 2015.02.11 12:30:11 -
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Not to worry, "Apollo" and "Artemis" will become available when they permadie.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
508
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Posted - 2015.02.11 12:42:22 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Not to worry, "Apollo" and "Artemis" will become available when they permadie.
Hopefully :)
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
349
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Posted - 2015.02.11 12:48:20 -
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I'm a bit bored with greek names for things in scifi. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
196
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Posted - 2015.02.11 12:49:15 -
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Ok, so call me guilty for not being on the forums 24/7 but did I miss something here? Drifters? I heard there was a battleship or something (think it was called a Drifter) when did they become there own race?
Edit: Nvmd, Tiamat page was updated... I had lost hope in that ever happening pre-release |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
508
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Posted - 2015.02.11 12:56:24 -
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Hra Neuvosto wrote:I'm a bit bored with greek, latin, celtic, egyptian, arabic, summerian names for things in scifi.
FTFY
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
508
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Posted - 2015.02.11 13:02:10 -
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I hereby summon a Dev to this thread, to offer us a new cryptic yet insightful thing about the Drifters.
Bait: "EVE is dying" "Nestor" "CCP losing devs" "Ishtars are OP"
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Another Posting Alt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2015.02.11 13:23:51 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Bait: "EVE is dying" "Nestor" "CCP losing devs" "Ishtars are OP"
Wrong bait... eh'hem... chum.
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra
The 99 Percent
1084
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Posted - 2015.02.11 14:51:58 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Personally I'm getting a weird "The Machine Crusade" vibe. Waiting on the Agamemnon Tyrannos :D
That is a huge coincidence. I'm re-reading The Machine Crusade right now.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4242
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:25:39 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:I hereby summon a Dev to this thread, to offer us a new cryptic yet insightful thing about the Drifters.
Bait: "EVE is dying" "Nestor" "CCP losing devs" "Ishtars are OP"
That just summons a tired CCL member.
Also, stop that.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
499
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:46:03 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:That just summons a tired CCL member.
Also, stop that. *makes Dorrim a mug of cocoa and gives him a comfy blanket and pillow *
But I do hope a Dev is currently rubbing his/her/its hands going "goood..... goooood"
"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
246
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Posted - 2015.02.11 19:04:11 -
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With regards to the Cybernetics. Just because they have them doesn't prove how far removed they are from the main Jove race. It's been states that the Jove made extensive use of cybernetics and implants. Given most of our (very limited) interaction with the Jove was those sent to meet with us, makes sense they had less implants than say, their military forces. (Cause it could creep us out..).
As for so much work into making a Female form.. I think that's less an issue.. Most likely they did it now cause the quality of the game has gone up much more than when they were introducing the other pirate factions. Not that it looks like *THAT* much work to make. I mean lets face it, the hard work was done with the character creator. I mean there are lots of female NPC's already.. Hell they even have their own faction, The Sisters :p |
DaReaper
Net 7
1776
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Posted - 2015.02.11 19:42:27 -
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i don;t care, i just want to be able to play one or a jove with perma death, that would rule. I welcome our new Jove overlords.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3737
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Posted - 2015.02.11 20:53:40 -
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My 2 cents:
Drifters have yellow eyes as the Jove do (did).
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19794
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:14:54 -
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Drifters will be the Pandas of Eve Online.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Hal Morsh
Icendus Corux
Warp to Cyno.
251
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Posted - 2015.02.11 22:22:34 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:
After all a toaster-faced humanoid conveys little emotion apart from "I wanna burn your toast".
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
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Tiffany 'Tiffs' Succeed
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2015.02.12 03:47:42 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:I hereby summon a Dev to this thread, to offer us a new cryptic yet insightful thing about the Drifters.
Bait: "EVE is dying" "Nestor" "CCP losing devs" "Ishtars are OP" That just summons a tired CCL member. Also, stop that.
This made me laugh! :D
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"sov is broken", "wardecs are broken", "gankers are griefers"
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Tiffany 'Tiffs' Succeed
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2015.02.12 03:50:53 -
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Oh I got another one before I leave again.
From the department of "censorship gone wrong" ...
Arline Kley wrote:But I do hope a Dev is currently rubbing his/her/its ***** going "goood..... goooood"
*sticks a flower into Arline's hair* :) |
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
88
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Posted - 2015.02.12 08:48:11 -
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Quote:3. Dat gender difference!
...Will the Drifters someday be a playable race?...
Considering all we know so far, I very much think so.
- Gender difference
- Showing a pilot in the Drifter info tab
- CCP talking about permadeath clones (permadeath due to Jovian disease?)
- "always suspect" of these clones (players can freely attack the Drifters) |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
17118
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Posted - 2015.02.12 15:53:16 -
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Worth mentioning, the leaders of the Second Jovian Empire were called the "Tyrants": if these drifters are inheriting the legacy of some of the most ancient Jovians, it seems interesting when comparing the names- the "Vigilant Tyrannos" could be taken as "watchful", or even "Awakened" Tyrants- something I'm becoming very interested with.
Also, they do have capsule ports on their backs on SISI.
Go to EVE Source pg. 134 and then go read more on Miko Bour to see why I'm saying this 
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra
The 99 Percent
1089
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Posted - 2015.02.13 04:24:58 -
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Here's my analysis after blasting an entire site worth of drifters:
Bring dreads. Can't bring dreads? Don't shoot them.
Lux Kontos turrets have insane tracking. They have no problem one-shotting interceptors moving at 5k m/s with max transversal.
For bigger things they have a mini-Doomsday that one shots any subcap in the game. I am not exaggerating. One-shot, one-kill on bastioned Maraduers.
Using a Phoenix with 80% resists, no links, Improved Crash and Blue Pill, and a double web Vigilant for tackle, I was taking 1000-2000 damage volley on average with the occasional 4k wrecking shot. With webs applied, I had no trouble doing excellent damage. But they orbit at 18km doing 2200m/s.
With webs, my initial shot could wipe there entire blue shield buffer. But then the damage ship would break my locks and hit with a mini-DD that did 180080 damage according to my combat log. Basically, a 2M+ EHP Phoenix into half shields.
There was an initial 2x drifters, as the second one was getting into trouble, 3 more warped in. As the third one from that wave was going down, 3 more warped in. I left once per wave to get capped up and repair heat damage. Bringing a mobile depot and cap fit helps with the cap issues since their normal weapons take quite a while to grind down a well tanked dread. They also DD'ed my tackler once on the first wave.
They gave no loot, and standard sleeper salvage. From those 8 wrecks, I got 5 melted nanoribbons and an assortment of other stuff worth about 20M isk all told.
If you want to make money on these guys, go to hisec, set up a ninja looting ship and go to town on all the nerds that will lose purple-fit faction ships and marauders on these. I predict that the forums shall run with rivers of tears.
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Nicholass Charante
Zeura Brotherhood
Mordus Angels
4
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Posted - 2015.02.13 04:31:19 -
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I did some testing on the drifter battleships.
The mini-DD wipes out the armor of a thanatos
After killing 1, after about 5 minutes 5 more warped on grid at once.
If you warp outside a pos, and slowboat inside the shields they will continue to damage you from inside the pos shields. |
Intar Medris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
223
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Posted - 2015.02.13 05:02:28 -
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Drifters sound kinda scary
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
454
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Posted - 2015.02.13 05:45:54 -
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Hard not to notice that "Drifter" sort of calls to mind the American West themed names of sites in the Okkelen constellation. |
Michael Pawlicki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.02.13 06:32:14 -
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Nicholass Charante wrote:
After killing 1, after about 5 minutes 5 more warped on grid at once.
This sounds like the Circadian Seeker AI and spawn pattern. This may be part of the test server being, well the test server, but this just doesn't seem right for these guys. For all intents and purposes, they are Gods. Not like capsuleers, they are Gods among Gods. They should have one guy coming in, and his job is to wreck your ****, not bring in backup. He IS his own backup. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2015.02.13 10:00:55 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:
There are a few things that can be deduced from the Drifters depiction by CCP that give us a short insight into the design concept and the general art direction that CCP took with these guys (and apparently gals).
1. Heavy Cybernetic Modification....
2. Although heavily modified a special interest has been taken to keep the face "screw-free"....
3. Dat gender difference!.....
4. Dem names!....
Personally I'm getting a weird "The Machine Crusade" vibe. Waiting on the Agamemnon Tyrannos :D
My thoughts on your points:
1. It is given their heavy augmentation its quite probable it serves them more than just a physical purpose. We must of course acknowledge your point that we don't know of what time frame Drifters because differentiated from other Jove/Sleepers but they are clearly different than the Jove seen and read about in earlier contact with the empires. Perhaps these were as you said, more human diplomats.
It seems only logical to think they use these augmentation not just to improve their strength, interfaces with ships, AI's etc, but also to fight Jove's Disease. This is again assuming that they are from after the fall of the First Empire. Basically, holding true to Jove nature, you might as will go all the way with something.
2. The face is the most important feature of a human body, it is what gives us the most information about what a human is thinking or feeling. The Jove's experimentation with genetics did weird things, changing skin and eye tone, curbing sexual desires, physic, etc. However, the under all that suit hardware their is still a human body and underneath that face this is still a mind. For lore reasons they have to be different physically than other races, but lets "face it" haha they need have an identity, and something for us to look at. The "screw-free" face is only practical.
Side note, these guys do indeed have yellow eyes like Jove! Good observation whom every that was.
3. Humans generally come in two types. Male and Female. Therefore, it only makes sense to have two types of Jove. They can make all the test tube babies they want, but they would be kinda nuts to only pick one chromosome over the other.
Sadly, I doubt this means they would be playable, but who knows. Maybe they will be for Devs... After all we know who the Jove really are.
4. The naming schematic for these guys and there tech is highly suggestive of their superiority. It will be interesting to see how its use for other vessels of their race or characters/agents later on. Perhaps key members will have special distinctions not unlike how heroes or villains of movies and novels have special titles that symbolically sound different.
The fact the name suggests they are awakened rulers, coupled with the statements of Jamyl Sarum about us commiting genocide on the Sleepers, plus that weird transmission from the Sleepers themselves about watching and they're coming for us tells me they are going to be extremely powerful new elements of the Jovian race, either Sleepers, offshoots of Sleepers, or a new class of Jove we don't yet know of.
One last thought. Since all this buzz has started over the Circadian Seekers attacking and Drifter, Thera has fallen by the way side. What key events are sure going to unfold there, and lets not forget here, player built stargates are still part of this.
Personally I'm interested in seeing what all this Talocan tech has to do with this. The massive amounts of it in the shattered WH's has to mean something and so does Sansha's interest in them. |
AOSA
Atreidun Order
4
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Posted - 2015.02.13 11:16:42 -
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Having read the commentary on naming conventions a got me thinking two things. Either Drifters are names that because the way the ships move, ie no conventional engines or it's because of their cultures nature. The new Tiamat webpage has two Jove standing next to each other and they are suggestively called Drifters, not the ship. The people are Drifters!
With Elyia's comments, I'm starting to think it's a second theory.
Think about it Caroline's Star, Sansha invading, now the Jovians have a class known as drifters. All the Stargates in Jovian space were destroy about the time of the Caroline incident. If the Drifters have DD devices on there battleships then why the need to destroy a star with an explosion of that magnitude to rid themselves of an incursion. Either Sansha did it or the Jove did it as a last resort.
Back to naming conventions, maybe their called Drifters because the Jove were nearly wiped out by this catastrophe. The last remnants are now wanderers, Drifters. |
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