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Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:51:00 - [1] Today I was conducting a pre war "commando" op against a corp (that shall stay nameless), I was flying around the system doing my work with everyone being complete **ers in local. I dont get it, just because I have a low sec/am shooting you/your friends, WHY do you have to act like complete heads, you instantly assume that I am also a complete head. So just to prove I am not a complete head, I convo'ed one of the people smack talking at me explaining my reasons for shooting at the involved, my reasons why I got into piracy and why we do what we do as pirates. It didnt take long before we added each other to Addressbooks, in game and on other out of fame messaging services. Thus proving that open minded people can get along regardless, however those that have the maturity of a 11 year old that constantly cuss and * because you shot at them get nowhere, merely **ing everyone off and making enemies. So my questions: WHY do you people hate us (we just want to be loved (in some cases anyway, there are lots of people that deserve what they get))? And why the hell do you people not just learn to equip your ships better? ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:53:00 - [2] Oh yes and I must add, some of the people who were friends before I turned pirate, now hate me... Just because my chosen career differs to theirs, how ignorant! ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:56:00 - [3] no clue why they hate us, but most of those that smack talk hard is fairly decent humans, i got bloched over local as to why i was camping jump in, and in the end i got some of them ot aggree whit me ... well back to being a mean ps. i love you all pps. i realy mean it Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:56:00 - [4] Shiver me timbers! Long live the pirates! YARRRRR! If ye friends dont like ye cause ye choose your own path, they be *****s! not friends! so avasT ye station lubbing scum! -
darth solo	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:00:00 - [5] I love you all.
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:07:00 - [6] I love you too guys!!! ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:12:00 - [7] gheyness... -
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:17:00 - [8] Viceroy you do realise I was being sarcastic....? ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:26:00 - [9] if i didnt, i would have said "i love you all too" :P -
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:32:00 - [10] Quote: if i didnt, i would have said "i love you all too" :P lol the master. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:36:00 - [11] Im sorry, I am a moron, let me self destruct :D ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.10.26 15:34:00 - [12] group hug? .
Fetty Chico	Posted - 2003.10.26 15:48:00 - [13] Ive never started trash talkin in local everything its someone insulting me first, and then its 30 mins for them throwing chap insult while i explain my actions If its wasnt that I want to stay in empire, I think I would start podding to bad that still wont stop the whining ------------------------------------------------ Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly. If this world was supposed to be friendly CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2003.10.26 17:38:00 - [14] I think most people just identify with their character/stuff too much. When you start attacking their character/ship/ore cans they take it as an attack on themselves. Especially the younger crowd. It's not just the carebears who act like this, though. I hunt with the CFS (according to smoked, that makes me a "carebear pirate", heh). About half the pirates we hunt fall right into the 11 year old smack talking chump camp. The rest are typically decent people. I think probably pirates have fewer smack talkers than carebears because you fight more often than most... There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Gan Ning	Posted - 2003.10.26 18:05:00 - [15] Problem is people think that becuase you play a pirate that you a bad person in RL. Hence they take things personally, and start swearing and threating you. Y'all need to realise this is a game, and detach yourself from any notions of RL. Cao Cao dropped a gem on us with this catchphrase: 'You are not your ship' Always remember that. Because it's true. Doen't matter if you spent 16 weeks mining for your BS. You are not your ship. Doesn't matter if your corp got robbed. You are not your ship. Doesn't matter if someone charged you 10mil for Miner2's 3 months ago and you are still broke today. You are not your ship. Doen't matter if you thought a 0.4 was safe and you jumped in to insta-death. You are not your ship. And I hate the 'you've cost me xxx time' complaint. You havent lost any earnings, you weren't working, you were playing a game like me, paying the same damn subscription, so why should your time be worth anymore than mine? Sorry to do a 'Jade' with the long post but this craps been getting under my skin for a while so lets stop talking things personally and have some damn fun.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2003.10.26 18:35:00 - [16] I like it when people *** and moan at me in local...especialy the empty threats But..in sayin that, i dont like the people who *** and moan when i done done anything to them, its like they see the wanted stamp and start blazin away....or....they brown nose, tryin to get into my good books so i wont land them a new clone. I still get on with most of my mates from my former life.......but they too understand that it is only a game.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2003.10.26 18:37:00 - [17] What you cant say *** anymore Thats my favouite word, its probably cause some1 had a *** and a moan at ccp
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.26 21:24:00 - [18] As a rule I never ever talk in local but, sometimes, some guys are just so fcking funny you have to respond. It could be a tactic - if you're busy watching local or typing in local you're not paying full attention to whats going on around you. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!*
Marid	Posted - 2003.10.26 23:09:00 - [19] Quote: What you cant say *** anymore Thats my favouite word, its probably cause some1 had a *** and a moan at ccp Nope, but you can say Bitch! -------------------------------- My special purpose is to destroy Phobos...
Quiz	Posted - 2003.10.27 21:38:00 - [20] I almost had something to say about this, but I got bored while writing...
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.27 22:15:00 - [21] Viceroy summed it up best. Hence the position in my signature I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.27 23:02:00 - [22] Jash is becoming...gasp...a fanboi? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Soul Reaver	Posted - 2003.10.28 09:28:00 - [23] I have never understood how some people get so emotionally attached to what in esscence is a game :) Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants Currently chasing Lianhaun
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.10.28 10:12:00 - [24] At the end of the day its whether people can maintain a degree of respectful interchange in communication. I don't care if you are a pirate, a carebear, a neutral or whatever, if you make an effort to speak like an adult you will have a fair degree of respect from me. In my time in Eve I have had all sorts of put-downs and appalling smack talk directed at me and I hardly ever blow people's ships up, so I surmise this disrespectful nonsense is not entirely directed at pirates. I have found strong emotional connection to anything is the key though; if you threaten something these people hold dear, be it, their corporation, their illusions, their perception of power, their resolve, their esteem, whatever ... then the immature mind unconsciously gear-shifts to smack mode in reflex self defense. Some of the "intellectual thinkers" of old TTi were the very worst for making "high brow" smack ... I remember one guy psychoanalysed me with an amateur diagnosis that named me a manic depressive suicide risk and predicted I would rl kill myself after TTi was destroyed ... that one was pretty special. On the other extreme the kiddies of M3G4/Biomass are pretty poor for 13yr old playground muppetry. It's all repetition and "nyah nyah" yaaa boo sucks ... (which is their basic strategy for cunningly attempting to get a war enemy to move from a prepared position.) These guys have all the critical finesse of parrots on steroids and although its fantastically easy to construct put-downs, the sad thing is they never notice getting linguistically owned - a bit like shooting a grazing dinosaur in the head and missing the brain by twenty feet. So, I don't think the pirates are the only people that get sad act abuse. There are idiots in all walks, and pirates are certainly not immune to the diruetic smack gene. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.28 11:23:00 - [25] Here is a reconstruction of a chat i had yesterday... I lost the log ;-) Ptioru(not sure about the name) > get the ** out of the system Kurenin > ? Ptioru > is my system Kurenin > Excuse me? Ptioru > go away Kurenin > Sorry I dont see your name written in cargo containers? Ptioru > my friend are come kill you Kurenin > Aha! 20 minutes later after I waste his friend's thorax Ptioru > you you *** pirate i *** hate you now you *** owe me *** 7 million you *** Kurenin > Geez you think moving to 0.0 would stop this crap... Ptioru > i kill you like bug Kurenin > Yes of course, where are you? Ptioru > ** you Kurenin > haha This isnt exactly how it went but thats sort of how he conducted himself, all I was doing was fixing my sec rating ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.28 11:25:00 - [26] Of course pirates arent the only ones that receive, I know many pirates that give. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.10.28 11:30:00 - [27] I dunno Kurenin, I would love to get flames like that, at least their simple and a little bit endearing ... ;) All I get is "Jade go shag a cow" ... or "Jade you evil machiavellian *****" or "Jade the turpetude of your shadow reviles the world!" JF Public Forum
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2003.10.28 11:35:00 - [28] Jade i hate you, for runing from the system i was camping whit out give me a chance to pod you, damn chicken! so how did the trace of the hack on your forum go? Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.10.28 12:35:00 - [29] I didn't think my bestower would have given you a fair fight. Honestly m'dear, its a bit rich for a pirate to accuse a blockade-runner of .... running away Isn't that what we are supposed to do? JF Public Forum
Maule	Posted - 2003.10.28 14:11:00 - [30] I am beginning to think that I¦m the only player in eve that has played since beta that has not been killed by a pirate. all the times I have meet a pirate (and that is only 3 or 4 times) they 1/ only got about 5% of my shield down. 2/ I fought back and they ran (newbie pirates) 3/ I killed the pirate. and its not becurse I¦m only in empire space.. well right now I¦m mostly in empire space but the first 4 month of retail I was in either Domain, Fountain or Curse so I have had many chances to meet some pirates but never really did.. plz meet me some day so I can see if my setup is good enough on my megathron, can allways get a new one.
Gai Daigoji	Posted - 2003.10.28 15:32:00 - [31] Edited by: Gai Daigoji on 28/10/2003 15:37:30 /emotenods This is the one thing that sometimes comes out of EVE that I really hate: Sometimes I find myself having to retrieve my jaw from the floor in disbelief at the immaturity of some of the players I come across. Not just pirates, not just carebears, but everybody within EVE. Our corp does its best to keep the pirate "riff raff" out of our neighbouring systems to protect our miners and traders. Because of this I have been on many "group outings" with corp members and friends from other corps. All goes well until local (or even gang chat) turns into juvenile smacktalk which, quite frankly, depresses me. Don't get me wrong, I like to chat to the pirates in local, and especially enjoy a bit of humorous RP banter when I can get it, but when it turns into mindless smacktalk I usually pack my bags and leave (and I've even done this because of childish smacktalk from my own gang members against either me for being too "nice" to the pirates, or about the said pirates that we're supposedly hunting). To be fair, piracy in this game has unfortunately been given a bad name by some due to exploits, or by smacktalking themselves. Due to the (relatively) small number of players who have taken this role within the game, many pirates get tarred with the same brush. I have to say that it's usually been the more, ummm... "amateur" PC pirates that have bred this bad reputation, and these are usually the ones that fall into my category of "wholly incompetent" But I have to agree with Jade on this one: Sadly, we do have one too many players that take the whole game waaaay too seriously, and this goes for players on both sides of the law. Usually, the first ones to shout "griefer" are the afk halfwits, and the ones who cry "carebear" are usually the ones that smacktalk in local, then run when two cruisers begin to hunt them down. /emotesighs Please note that the views expressed above are those of Gai Daigoji and not necessarily those of the JGR corporation.
BZugda Hiara	Posted - 2003.10.28 22:28:00 - [32] Quote: Usually, the first ones to shout "griefer" are the afk halfwits, Nail on the head there dude. Only time I was podded I nearly quit. Until I put it in perspective and realised it was prolly a silly idea to be afk through Dantumi in a Kestrel anyhow :) Think that particular attitude is just a question of getting used to loosing ships and not getting too attached. But you might be stuck with the smack talkers :( --------------------------- Gone!, Forgotten! and not even Logged
Shyalud	Posted - 2003.10.29 11:25:00 - [33] To all: You can completely disregard any post from anyone from Crusaders 10000ad. Crusaders tried to extort money and or ore from our corp in return for not declaring war on is. Before they war delcaration I recieved hatemail from many of them and thier alt, generally indicating their lack of respect for carebears in general and me personally. Pre-war, they conducting many hit and run raids on some of my newer members and infiltrated with alts to do some stealing of low level loot and ships. Sinve the war became official, there has been no sign of them. The fact is, they are a bunch of windbags and couldn't participate in a real war if they wanted to. So why hate pirates? Becouse you are thieves and liars. I have no respect for people like that in RL and none for them here.
Elmar Solderi	Posted - 2003.10.29 11:40:00 - [34] funny that we where only 2 persons in your homesystem and yet got over 150 lines of childish smack talk even the polaris guy i talked to was amazed over the avg. age in hardcorps..... If it aint nailed down its mine. --------- kil list: 3 thorax's 1 moa 2 pod's 1 repunter ------- 1 death
Elmar Solderi	Posted - 2003.10.29 11:41:00 - [35] and yes i report smack talker's i dont realy care who they are, even if they are from my corp they wil geta report file fights smack talkers where ever he can's If it aint nailed down its mine. --------- kil list: 3 thorax's 1 moa 2 pod's 1 repunter ------- 1 death
Shyalud	Posted - 2003.10.29 11:52:00 - [36] That kill list is pre-war, and were sneak attacks on miners, the only kills since the war started have been your loss. And, no moa was lost.
Shyalud	Posted - 2003.10.29 11:54:00 - [37] And if you want to talk about smack talk, you should see some of the hate mail I get from your members.
Elmar Solderi	Posted - 2003.10.29 12:05:00 - [38] that is my signatur doh, not a kil list of what the war have cost you in our home region or in homesystem so plz. but okay here gos. 1 dominix by courtsy of biomass (i stil ove you guys) 1 bellicros (kiled by me) 1 repunter (tyand killed that one) we have lost: 2 BB's (scouts) 1 moa or was it a repunter? 1 indy (was ore "hauling" for them) we have also blown up quite alot of your ore which is almost up to 3m blown up by me alone. If it aint nailed down its mine. --------- kil list: 3 thorax's 1 moa 2 pod's 1 repunter ------- 1 death
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.29 12:09:00 - [39] Jade ... again you try to take the moral high ground with statements like ... Quote: On the other extreme the kiddies of M3G4/Biomass are pretty poor for 13yr old playground muppetry. It's all repetition and "nyah nyah" yaaa boo sucks ... (which is their basic strategy for cunningly attempting to get a war enemy to move from a prepared position.) Now we can all remember Sunday when you turned into a jibbering wreck shouting a whole list of four letter words ..... can you even remember your own alliance members requesting you "shut up" ...... Every game, every corp has the good the bad and the ugly "unless your NVA and you have the last two" but who cares its just a game ... Mongo speaks !!
Sequin	Posted - 2003.10.29 14:55:00 - [40] I don't like pirates because none of them talk in that cute "ARrr de matey" language:/ ^A Raem Civre Original EVE-Trade, for your buying and selling needs. A Voogru original. [i]Redon > evol and mass have a GM helping them with everything Redon > notice how they always get ships replaced and none of us cant <--- Hurray for teamwork! b] We are evil exploiters!
Torik	Posted - 2003.10.29 17:34:00 - [41] Some reasons why people despise pirates: -It is how we are brought up. Our society teaches us that thiefs and murderers are BAD PEOPLE. They need to be caught and punished. -Pirates destroy things with which we have an emotional attachment. If you spent weeks getting a ship only to have a pirate blow it up you are going to be very bitter. We identify with our characters and ships. It's what makes roleplaying games fun. It might not be rational but otherwise this game reduces to just a bunch of statistics. It's similar to when your mother throws out your favourite 'lucky' shirt. The shirt might be worn out and not really fit to wear in public but losing it still hurts. The brand new ship the pirate just blew up might be just a bunch of ones and zeros but it means something to you. -Frankly the ability to get even with a pirate sucks in this game. If you can't get back at the pirate for podding you, your resentment is just going to grow. There is no sense of sportsmanship in the game. No one wants to play against a stacked deck. -Finally, piracy tends to attract the griefers and exploiters. One jerk pirate can easily sour a player against all pirates even those who are just trying to 'play the game'.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.10.29 17:46:00 - [42] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/10/2003 17:47:33 Mr Pecker how kind. Quote: Jade ... again you try to take the moral high ground with statements like ... I didn't "take" the moral high ground from you fellows ... you wrapped in gift-paper and express mailed it to me with your kind regards besides. ;) Quote: Now we can all remember Sunday when you turned into a jibbering wreck shouting a whole list of four letter words I used a lot more than four letters and was far more creative ... look at your signature for example; you should have thanked me properly ... JF Public Forum
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.29 17:55:00 - [43] Jade ..... like always with total love and thanks ..... Still waiting for a more creative sig ... Mongo speaks !!
Shyalud	Posted - 2003.10.30 11:07:00 - [44] Elemer, your kill list is simply incorrect, we've lost no BBs in recent history. quite some months ago we did, but it had nothing to do with this war. I applaud the propaganda war, but that's all it is, propaganda.
Elmar Solderi	Posted - 2003.10.30 11:10:00 - [45] i never said you lost BB's read my post, I said WE lost em, omg did we kil many of you last night 16 vs 4 and you didnt kil one of the orginal task force even when they where pawning you If it aint nailed down its mine. --------- kil list: 3 thorax's 1 moa 2 pod's 1 repunter ------- 1 death
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.30 11:27:00 - [46] Aye, but it was 15 kills 1 was a loss to sentry due to my crappy handling of torpedoes. Meanwhile HardCorpse just sat in their station doing nowt, next time please dont sit and moan at us in local. The 35million ransom/30% of what you mine/merge with us thing is not extortion, its a insurance, because we KNOW you have lost 35+million in ships and probably more in time lost making isk, we play this *game* for fun because we want to, we dont exploit, we dont smack talk, we play for fun, by the chatlogs I have from local chat you'd think we had stolen your babies or something. Absolutely disgusting. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Shyalud	Posted - 2003.10.30 11:57:00 - [47] No, we've lost about 10mil in ships, and we play this game so we can enjoy it as well, not to make money for you.
Elmar Solderi	Posted - 2003.10.30 12:05:00 - [48] i didnt know that a dominix,1 bellicrose, 1 rupturner, 1 merlin and 1 thorax costed less than 10m heck i dont even know what we killed after i logged, but i gusse we have blown up yours ships for more than 100m so fare but i coud of couse be wrong... If it aint nailed down its mine. --------- kil list: 3 thorax's 1 moa 2 pod's 1 repunter ------- 1 death
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.30 12:13:00 - [49] Read my hardcorpse thread ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Deadflip2	Posted - 2003.10.30 16:51:00 - [50] maybe it just takes a *******ing week to make a new battleship mining, maybe u guys are all assnecks urself. --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.10.30 16:56:00 - [51] Uh-oh, do I hear a sore victim? ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Shyalud	Posted - 2003.10.30 19:47:00 - [52] If you guys are so wonderfull, why are so many corps going to war with you?
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2003.10.31 11:34:00 - [53] becuz we are doing a good job? Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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