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Kippax Ine
Amarr
Jubblies
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Posted - 2006.10.04 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kippax Ine on 04/10/2006 09:40:31
 Originally by: Lygos
I use EVE to refine my proclivities towards self-serving avarice.
Who needs escapism from that?
But do you find it earns you enough ? to serve avarice ?
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Shanur
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Posted - 2006.10.04 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Baleine4Nerver
Edited by: Baleine4Nerver on 04/10/2006 09:25:03
But EVE is different, and people seem to take it far more seriously than say CS for example. And to most an attack in game is almost like a RL attack, you get the racing heart, the wobbly hands when going into PvP (well I do). And the feeling of victory or defeat is surpassed by nothing.
That is because a death in CS just means a largely meaningless point is awarded to the other side, and you possibly lose that particular game you are playing at that moment. In EVE if you have bad luck you may lose weeks of mining or ratting due to a completely avoidable situation. That hurts a lot.
Anyway, i am not fond of pirates, but i respect that there are people who delight in freeform PvP and accept them as the risk of stepping outside of secure space without adequate safety measures (which is probably the reason i haven't stepped into < .5 so far  ). I even respect ore thieves even though i am sure i will lose some of my precious time by them nabbing the fruits of it. Someone who choses to become a hazard within the intended bounds of the game (which did account for people making a living off preying on other people, and in the case of ore theft is the sole thing keeping certain aspects of the game in balance. Yes, aggressive players actually balance the game) has as much right to play his style as i do mine (which will gravitate towards cooperative play, eventually participating in protracted 0.0 conflics where i intend to spend most of my time at once i reach that stage).
I detest grievers who are only out to ruin the game for others though. It is one thing to see to it that people form up convoys when venturing in unsecure space and mine in groups by becoming the very hazard that makes doing these things alone detrimental to your health or wealth, it is another thing to go out of your way to discourage people from spending any amount of time in the game by abusing every game mechanic you can to make their playtime as frustrating and discouraging as possible (a real griever sees it as their objective to force their opponent to quit the game and will not stop attacking the same player until he does). That kind of playstyle doesn't belong in this game.
If it makes me a carebear to insist on honour among thieves and expect pirates to respect the bounds that were put there to keep the game interesting for people preferring a more regulated style of playing, so be it. I respect the honourable pirate, but i do expect that respect be returned toward the people avoiding them because they prefer the spreadsheet junkie aspect of the game.
Try to respect that not everyone plays the game for the same reasons. There are plenty of people in the game so that every legitimate playstyle is viable without needing to infringe on that of others. Pirates, anti pirates and those enjoying the risk of ambush thrive in .4-.1, organized PvPers and large Guild players thrive in 0.0 along with those that enjoy the political aspect of the game (even the little sniveling backstabbers and spies ) while the carebears have plenty of 1.0-.5 zones to ply their trade in.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.04 15:31:00 -
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difference is in EVE, i can kill the guy who shoots at me. if you mug me in the streets IRL i cant just pull out my gun and fill ya full of lead.
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Tarazed Aquilae
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Posted - 2006.10.04 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
difference is in EVE, i can kill the guy who shoots at me. if you mug me in the streets IRL i cant just pull out my gun and fill ya full of lead.
Where I live itÆs easy for anyone who isnÆt mentally ill or a felon to legally carry a gun. And the law backs up your right to pull out a gun and shoot someone who attacks youà ThereÆs really not a lot of crime here for some reason. (At least not violent street crime.)
I consider myself an Alliance soldier who has to carebear a lot to pay for my loses. If I were to run across a neutral in 0.0 and got the drop on them, I would just let them go. If I thought it wasnÆt a trap I would even help them out if necessary. IÆll dodge an unnecessary fight if possible. Blowing up people to take their stuff is the furthest thing from my mind. I donÆt want to take what someone else worked long and hard to get.
On the other hand, IÆll happily kill enemies all day long. OK, I would kill enemies all day long but they seem to do a better job of killing me than I do of killing them. (Explaining my need to carebear a lot.) If someoneÆs an enemy of our alliance IÆll shoot without any concern about the person on the other end.
I donÆt know if that attitude had anything to do with spending so many years being an armed citizen or not. But it does reflect my real life attitude about things.
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Ralara
Caldari
Green Peace Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.04 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: zeKzn
Edited by: zeKzn on 04/10/2006 01:43:07
Originally by: Price Watcher
It has been my experience that griefers are the same kind of people that in real life:
1. Are tattletales and snitches.
2. Will steal from you if they think you are not looking.
3. Will try to boink your significant other while you are out of town.
In other words, Scum is as Scum does.
Griefers are SCUM.
I would have to agree with this, frankly. Its pretty much impossible for a "good" person irl to sink to the level of griefing others, even in an online game, because that would fundamentally go against his core personality.
Edit: The definition of griefing has to be very clear in this case, however. If you do something only to **** off anothe player and derive enjoyment from it, you're griefing. If you dont fulfil that requirement you aren't.
Ive been known to grief and I do it occationally because it makes me giggle. Then sometimes I'll defend a newbie against a pirate. Other times I do fair fights. But I don't do what you said I should be doing IRL...
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zeKzn
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.04 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Ive been known to grief and I do it occationally because it makes me giggle. Then sometimes I'll defend a newbie against a pirate. Other times I do fair fights. But I don't do what you said I should be doing IRL...
I should clarify that relatiatory griefing is acceptable. And frankly, I doubt most people realise what they're doing is wrong when they do it irl. People just dont think enough.
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.10.04 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Price Watcher
It has been my experience that griefers are the same kind of people that in real life:
1. Are tattletales and snitches.
2. Will steal from you if they think you are not looking.
3. Will try to boink your significant other while you are out of town.
In other words, Scum is as Scum does.
Griefers are SCUM.
Haha, you are a funny guy
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Lorin Sky
Skycore
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Posted - 2006.10.04 18:34:00 -
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Maybe a funny guy, but used the terms "tattletale" and "boink" in the same post, so gotta be a million points for that.
I'm not even sure what the first one is. I think I can take an educated guess at the second...hmm, something one might do with one's girlfriend...let's see...invite her round for a nice cup of tea?
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Gut Punch
Gallente
The Revenant
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Posted - 2006.10.04 20:02:00 -
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Does it have to be one or the other? Some times, I'm on EVE University public chat while i'm out noob hunting in .3 space. I don't think there is anything wrong with helping people and also blowing the heck out of them. Whatever works for that day.
This is the beauty of the internet.
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Lord Dynastron
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Posted - 2006.10.04 20:48:00 -
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I just don't like hurting innocent people... simple as that.
Griefing in Eve really does upset people irl... to steal all their time and effort away like that just seems wrong. We are talking LOTS of time here folks,, not just 5-10 minutes. Hours and days and even weeks can be lost from one 'mistake'.
Of course we are talking only of situations where significant time and effort are involved. I am very fond of BF2 (and pretty good too) and have no problem at all taking out 'the enemy'... but what are the losses we are talking about? 5 minutes at most. And yea,, people get upset in BF2 when you frag-em,,, but again,, it only lasts a few minutes.... not hours or days!
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Complacency's Bane
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Posted - 2006.10.04 20:57:00 -
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I live in the ghetto in a ****ty american city.
Gunshots? Check.
Murders a few houses away from me? Check.
Burglaries? Check.
News saturated with crime? Check.
I have no problem shooting people IN A DAMN VIDEOGAME.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Price Watcher
It has been my experience that griefers are the same kind of people that in real life:
1. Are tattletales and snitches.
2. Will steal from you if they think you are not looking.
3. Will try to boink your significant other while you are out of town.
In other words, Scum is as Scum does.
Griefers are SCUM.
You are either a:
1) Troll
2) Pirate
3) Victim
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND."
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jude Kopenhagen
Stuff
I have never been mugged, robbed, stabbed, murdered or otherwise. I am I pirate.
Think of it what you will.
I am a mostly kind, partly selfish young man in England.
Think what you will.
I'm here to enjoy a life I cant enjoy IRL, and meet people I have something in common with.
Think what you will.
Izo Azlion.
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Lorin Sky
Skycore
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: zeKzn
Originally by: Lorin Sky
I should have been clearer in the first place, but its the actual act of trying to impose your beliefs on others that indicates a propensity to asswipery (is that a word), not the beliefs themselves.
Asswipery is a fine word. It appears that we are, after all, in agreement. Which is disappointing.
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Jude Kopenhagen
Caldari
Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
I have never been mugged, robbed, stabbed, murdered or otherwise. I am I pirate.
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I'm here to enjoy a life I cant enjoy IRL, and meet people I have something in common with.
Think what you will.[/quote
Heh, made me laugh, we have to be murdered at least twice a year or pay extra tax.
And yes, like you said, I have met some really great people and I am doing things I don't or can't do in real life. Hence the point of playing. Some people think this is about brining real life into a game, no point in that, live real life instead. The thread is about brining what you do "not" have in real life into a game. In my case I do not have the ability to protect the innocent nor to fight for a cause (Caldari ftw  )
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.10.04 22:05:00 -
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I'm not sure whether it is a case of fear of losing so muh that i have worked for as a carebear, or whether it's my caring personality as a RL person that stops me from PvP/Pirating.
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Vivre
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Posted - 2006.10.04 22:12:00 -
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pvp = 
carebear = Sims in space =
pvcarebear =  , for reasons already stated in this thread. It's like taking crutches from a cripple or doing over a granny. Just greedy and morally corrupt, and its probably the single biggest reason why people quit eve.
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Samu Yi
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vivre
pvp =
carebear = Sims in space =
pvcarebear = , for reasons already stated in this thread. It's like taking crutches from a cripple or doing over a granny. Just greedy and morally corrupt, and its probably the single biggest reason why people quit eve.
I'm a nice guy in real life and a nice guy in eve. I just can't bring myself to ruin someone elses game time for my own jollies. I have no problem with pvp as long as it's defending what's mine or stopping the scum that ply the space lanes in eve. As someone stated earlier I think this is due to the sometimes significant loss that can occur in eve when you get popped. We aren't talking about minutes here. We are talking about days, weeks and even months. Personally I don't understand how some of these so called pirates don't even feel an ounce of guilt.
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Gustovness
Broken Cannon
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Posted - 2006.10.05 00:26:00 -
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I pirate for the ISK. I will do anything in my power to make myself stronger through ISK. Training takes time and it grows wether I'm online or not, so the only thing I can augment while I'm ingame is my wallet. IRL, I do the same, I plow through life constantly trying to become stronger. I work, and I go to college, so that I can have money and live comfortably. Money is power, it's not the root of happiness. I have a very distinct place for money, both ingame and IRL. Some people freak about not having enough, others just lack the ambition or don't put enough interest on it. This is why I don't mind losing ANY SHIP WHATSOEVER in an act of piracy. "Oh well, I started in an Ibis, I'm sure I can get that ship back eventually, especially with my current skills. The fight is what mattered, the ISK is only a means to get to what matters."
I think that my character IG reflects my RL personality well. I don't pod someone if they pay, since it's the money I'm after, not the kill mail. I think that sets me apart from running across the countryside trying to kill anything in sight.
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von Fury
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Posted - 2006.10.05 01:53:00 -
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Zoom, amazing how things just fly over people's heads. That applies to anyone who has to post the silly phrase "it is just a game".
That phrase has to be one of the biggest copouts frequently said on this board. You are the ones who are completely at a loss, because you are really not cognizant of what a MMORPG is.
Now an FPS is just a game as you lose nothing when the game ends, if you want to symantics, no MMORPG is just a game. As there is always resultant loss by someone when it comes to pvp.
You can spin pirating anyway it pleases you, but the end result is someone loses and it is not just pride. Sure ships are insured, or should be, and people should not be flying something they cannot afford to lose, but the fact of the matter is once your ship is destroyed and you are podded, your evening is pretty much over.
You have to get back to your base (if your clone was not at it) buy a new ship, buy equipment for it, get a new clone...etc. So you are just not destroying a ship, you are basically ruining their play time for quite a while.
I am not even referring to the emotional effects at all, just taking a view from a phyical perspective.
I don't criticize players who choose the pirating path, that is their perogative and for them to deal with. When I lose a ship and get podded, it is "thanks, nice fight, good luck to you". It is part of the game and has to be accepted.
But you have to be cognizant of the fact that you are in fact putting a pretty big crimp in someone's evening. If you can't, then you are the person who can't understand reality.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.10.05 03:32:00 -
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I have to agree with von Fury, and my feelings go beyond that; I can't stand pirates for the same reasons I can't stand criminals IRL. If you benefit from the efforts of others through dishonest (and often violent) means, than, in my view, you need to be removed from society*. Yes, it's "just a game", but that is of little solace when I just lost my multi-million ISK ship and its equipment, which I now need to replace because you can't be bothered to make money in any other way than by blowing me up. Thus, you are now profiting from my time and effort and making me start all over again. You can paint pirating in as much a positive light as you want, that doesn't change the fact that it's PIRATING i.e. you are a parasite that survives through the hard work of others.
Now, I must point out that it's the act of piracy that disturbs me, not PvP action. PvPing is indeed a very important/enjoyable part of the game and I have no beef against it; in fact, I am eagerly awaiting the time when I can engage in it without it amounting to suicide on my part. HOWEVER, I do not enjoy having PvP action IMPOSED on me. While there is certainly a way to minimise the chances of this happening, it is not completely unavoidable. Not going into non-sec helps a lot, but even in empire, you aren't safe anymore; ore thievery is "in" right now. Personnaly, I think this is the most despicable form of pirating: not only is it praying on the carebearest of carebears, it is extremely lazy as you are not even usually going to have to fight at all (less effort and less risk than "conventional" pirating). For crissakes! Grow a damned backbone, head out to non-sec and "EARN" your loot, at the very least!
Now, I realise I may have strayed somewhat from the topic, but in conclusion I think my views on piracy and on "how to play the game" are perfectly in sink with who I am in real life. I am a Canadian soldier; I have taken a solemn oath to serve others and to protect them... I cannot foresee any reason why I would turn to pirating ingame as my moral values would simply be at odds with my actions.
*I wonder if their could be a prison system implemented in Eve? Maybe people would think twice before praying on others if their actions had some more serious repercussions than just the possibility of losing one's ship... nah, it will never happen... CCP is way too YARR friendly.
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TheDeceit
Minmatar
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.05 03:50:00 -
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I pirate because I think mining is boring. I suppose you could go in-depth on the psycologies of why I think mining is boring, but I don't think about it like that. I'm a simple guy.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.10.05 05:57:00 -
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Completely agree with the OP.
Im from a very stable portion of America, the midwest. The thrill of lawlessness and chaos is very appealing to my life, thus, I love 00 and the strife it brings. This chaos is my excapism.
I can deffinantly see how your escapism needs to be faar more stable.
Really cant see how I added anyting to this thread, OP's statement was more a statement then an open ended debate. Oh well.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.10.05 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kuolematon on 05/10/2006 06:15:00
Originally by: Samu Yi
I'm a nice guy in real life and a nice guy in eve. I just can't bring myself to ruin someone elses game time for my own jollies. I have no problem with pvp as long as it's defending what's mine or stopping the scum that ply the space lanes in eve.
QFT! I just don't see wheres the fun to pray upon a weaker person. I just don't want to do that on game. IRL is different case thou 
Originally by: Tarazed Aquilae
Where I live itÆs easy for anyone who isnÆt mentally ill or a felon to legally carry a gun. And the law backs up your right to pull out a gun and shoot someone who attacks youà ThereÆs really not a lot of crime here for some reason. (At least not violent street crime.)
Let me guess, your president makes funny speeches and people laugh at him? Oh and your country has no real "free speech" and "democracy".
Unnerf Amarr!Ö
"I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr
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Johnny Malloy
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Posted - 2006.10.05 08:16:00 -
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to be honest, i play this game for fun, pretty much the same as the vast majority of you, the differences between my chars ingame actions and mine in RL are completely at odds,in RL i happen to be a bunnyhugging vegan with anarchistic principles who wishes that people would treat each other with respect and be nice to each other.
on the other hand my ingame char is someone who would prob eat 5 steaks and a whole hog washed down with a pint of runny pigs lard for breakfast then go out and blow someones ship and pod them because he had heartburn. (i must do more of this as my sec status has been too healthy for a while now) isn't that RP? maybe playing something that in RL you really don't wanna be? it is after all, only a game.
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2006.10.05 08:58:00 -
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To Jude -
Amen, boet!
I understand exactly where Jude is coming from.
Jude's living in what is, by many people's standards, a very low level war zone. There's a lot of RL trouble there with a promise of possibly horrifying stuff in the future. (Go look up 'Necklacing' in the Wikipedia for one old time pastime that's made a comeback in his part of the world!)
Like you guys who say "I pirate, I play the game to relax, it's not real" Jude plays the game his way to relax as well and escape from day to day stresses.
Think about it - why the hell would he want to fly around killing and destroying in the game when he's getting it for real in a neighborhood not too far away?
That's why he plays as he does and holds the opinions he does. He's seen what RL piracy does for people.
I work in something very nasty and dangerous. I'll bet that 95% of the people who'll respond with smartass *****s after I post this would scream, **** themselves and curl into a ball if they faced some the things I have to. Guess what? Because of my work and what I've seen I do my damnedest to be up front, honest and a straight shooter both in RL *and* in this game. I can't bring myself to be otherwise.
Jude has a point. I have a point. We've both lost the luxury of being able to enjoy destroying for its own sake because we've seen it for real.
This is NOT a rant against piracy or PKing. Just enjoy it, guys and hope you always retain the ability to do so because life continues to be safe for you.
Have fun, see you online!
FP
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
HOWEVER, I do not enjoy having PvP action IMPOSED on me.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.10.05 10:59:00 -
[58]
Originally by: von Fury
Stuff
It is just a game, that is what I thought when I took my CNR into a fight and lost it. I understand that it's the players of this game that try to apply real life events onto the actions of other players that need to take a step back. I am a well adjusted member of society who works hard to provide for his family. Here is a link, this will that may help you: Clicky
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND."
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2006.10.05 21:28:00 -
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Nothing wrong with what you say, Bosie - it *is* just a game.
Jude wasn't judging anyone (neither was I) by their in-game choice of roles, he was just interested (as am I) in how RL experiences affected the way people chose to behave in-game.
Nice to know it's not just me that has actually undegone the effects of such a phenomenon.
And yes, people who accuse pirates of being RL child molesters, thieves, punks or even (and this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel) Republicans should sit back and reconsider their thought processes. *Their* thinking worries me a lot more than someone who enjoys a good 'Yaarrr'.
Blow you up soon,
FP
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