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Sierra Shan
Pathfinder Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:35:58 -
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Hello Everyone!
So today I have finally decided to work more toward my combat training again. Currently flying a Moa with t2 meds. It has served me well but I have decided to look into going to a Battlecruiser instead.
Now I have looked it over but I have not been able to choose.
I can run tier 1 missiles and would not be far off for t2 on that front and willing to go that route if need be.
So I have looked at the Ferox, Naga and Drake. T2 large would be a bit of a train but none the less I will do so if it proves to be a better BC over the Ferox.
What I am looking for is a brawling ship to assist in home defense and to cover a large mining fleet that I run as well. I will be heading to Null Space soon and just need something to assist with reds etc.
Any input would be great. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:49:14 -
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The Naga makes for a poor mission boat ,
believe me,
it will be embarrassing.
Ar some point you're going to have to ask in local for someone to come kill that tackle frigate that got under your guns.
at which point the locals will point and laugh at you .
As far as I'm aware the reast should be fine But the attack bc's are fairly situational.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:52:50 -
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Those 3 ships do different things
Naga will pack a punch, but may not be able to hit small fast ships if you are in-experienced. It has the worst tank of the 3.
Drake will have the best tank, but has fairly gimped DPS. Although, the DPS it does have, will apply the easiest and best on most targets.
Ferox is a fun ship and is somewhere in the middle. Decent tank for what it is, and decent damage for what it is.
Ferox is sort of an up close and personal ship. The other 2 are more for range and kitey styles.
Protecting miners is a thankless, boring job, (unless your alt is one of them). You may not do that very long. You will probably get more use out of the gun ships in gangs and fleets for PvP. |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.02.15 08:04:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:The Naga makes for a poor mission boat ,
**** you Ralphie I ran Lvl 3 and 4 with my PVP Snipe Naga when I was trying to get standings for a locate agent. It's possible to due but you will trying to get the perfect angler velocity in order to hit frigates. Did have one close loss though. Landed in a cage of them. O.o Managed to warp out and come back in a Ferox.
From what I could tell, Naga did it fast just as long as you can MWD your scappy ass away. Ferox if you are going to be landing with in "**** it" range.
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.02.15 08:41:54 -
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Whatever corp/alliance you are running with in null sec should have doctrines they use for home defense and other situations. talking to them is probably the best bet. After all we may give you options for those 3 ships, just to have all your corp/alliance fleets be armour based.
However of your choices i would run with a drake, it will probably be the most resillient and easiest to learn to fly.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8925
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Posted - 2015.02.15 11:22:08 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:The Naga makes for a poor mission boat ,
**** you Ralphie I ran Lvl 3 and 4 with my PVP Snipe Naga when I was trying to get standings for a locate agent. It's possible to due but you will trying to get the perfect angler velocity in order to hit frigates. Did have one close loss though. Landed in a cage of them. O.o Managed to warp out and come back in a Ferox. From what I could tell, Naga did it fast just as long as you can MWD your scappy ass away. Ferox if you are going to be landing with in "**** it" range.
so have i, and yes one of those frigs got under my guns and tackled me 
by all counts the talos is better for it because drones
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Tung Yoggi
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:59:17 -
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425mm railguns Naga for sniper work (and a good pack of assorted sniping bookmarks).
Heavy assault missiles Drake for brawling duty.
Unless flown in large packs (sniper fit) or like a hero (active, blaster fit), the Ferox might not the best option. It will be outclassed in sniping config by the Naga, and in brawling config by the Drake (Drake has more range, on-paper damage and has selectable damage type). Oh, and the drake can be fitted with rapid light launchers to surprise a few frigates.
However, be careful, as brawling BCs tend to die easily while trying to protect innocent barges. Consider adding a microjumpdrive to the drake, it's worth it. |
Novah Soul
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Posted - 2015.02.16 01:53:55 -
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Sierra Shan wrote:Hello Everyone!
So today I have finally decided to work more toward my combat training again. Currently flying a Moa with t2 meds. It has served me well but I have decided to look into going to a Battlecruiser instead.
Now I have looked it over but I have not been able to choose.
I can run tier 1 missiles and would not be far off for t2 on that front and willing to go that route if need be.
So I have looked at the Ferox, Naga and Drake. T2 large would be a bit of a train but none the less I will do so if it proves to be a better BC over the Ferox.
What I am looking for is a brawling ship to assist in home defense and to cover a large mining fleet that I run as well. I will be heading to Null Space soon and just need something to assist with reds etc.
Any input would be great.
While it's dps is a tad on the crappy side, the drake is a solid workhorse, plus in pve they have the added bonus of being relatively idiot-proof (yay missiles  ).
Ferox would work well too, haven't used it much myself but hear it works pretty good. All depends on your preference of guns or missiles, truth be told.
A man is known by the quality of his friends. - Lex Luthor
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
274
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Posted - 2015.02.16 02:34:12 -
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Drake has the benefit of being stupidly tanky, and selectable damage type (because missiles), while the Ferox will utilize skills you've already trained for the Moa (not counting the Caldari BC skill, itself). Hybrids have the benefit, as you know, of quick reload/ammo swap time, but are restricted solely to Kin/Therm damage.
I used a Ferox for the majority of my Level III missions, and that was long before the BC rebalance and the buff to medium rails. I'm a gun-bunny at heart, so I loved the Ferox. YMMV, though.
"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:18:29 -
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Tung Yoggi wrote:425mm railguns Naga for sniper work (and a good pack of assorted sniping bookmarks).
Heavy assault missiles Drake for brawling duty.
Unless flown in large packs (sniper fit) or like a hero (active, blaster fit), the Ferox might not the best option. It will be outclassed in sniping config by the Naga, and in brawling config by the Drake (Drake has more range, on-paper damage and has selectable damage type). Oh, and the drake can be fitted with rapid light launchers to surprise a few frigates.
However, be careful, as brawling BCs tend to die easily while trying to protect innocent barges. Consider adding a microjumpdrive to the drake, it's worth it.
Seconding the addition of an MMJD on brawling Battlecruisers. The toughest part about a brawling BC is getting someone to close within range of you, since the only way most ships end up close enough to a BC to get hard tackled is by putting themselves there voluntarily and most people aren't that stupid (except Sabre pilots, for some ******* reason). Spooling up an MJD forces them to pick between engaging you safely or letting you get away, and a lot of people are going to make the aggressive decision in that situation.
In general I would not bother with a long point; you're going to be stressed for fitting room and anything with a prop mod available is going to be seconds away from escaping you anyways. |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
274
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:33:23 -
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Sierra Shan wrote:What I am looking for is a brawling ship to assist in home defense and to cover a large mining fleet that I run as well. I will be heading to Null Space soon and just need something to assist with reds etc.
Any input would be great.
I apologize for missing this part of your post. A Naga is good with tackle support (specifically webbers), and good perches. A Ferox with blasters is very effective.
The PDS is to make the fit possible without using a fitting rig or PG implant.
[Ferox, Blaster PvP]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
Specific stats here: http://i.imgur.com/5cwEIsl.png?1
"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
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Hagika
Doughboys
Snuffed Out
279
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:43:44 -
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Ferox or go to Gallente line. Naga cant handle frigs and Drakes after the CCP double nerf is just a brick that hits like a wet paper napkin.
Actually I want to apologize to wet paper napkins, they hit harder than the drake. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1158
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:59:03 -
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Drake works fine if you fit it right, most people fit it wrong. Also, while its base dps is lower there is no time lost on switching ammo due to different ranged targets and it doesn't have any issues with damage projection. Not saying it's the uberest best ship but the bawling "waah, they nurfed our Drake" is terrible and wrong.
OP: Whatever someone might tell you about how the Naga really is cool if you'd just do thisandthat, the reality is that it requires a proper understanding on the game, tracking mechanics and manual piloting to make it work and even then I wouldn't recommend it. Simply put, it's a case of "if you have to ask it's not for you", you'll be much better off with a rail Ferox which is actually quite good and will just perform better in most cases. |
Sierra Shan
Pathfinder Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 15:43:26 -
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Thank you for all the advice, Sorry for the delay....I spent a few days in the Hospital getting my foot repaired after a fish tank broke...sliced through the tendon in my right foot!
So yes this is an alt basically...my main is a Hulk Pilot followed by my other miners including this one at times does mine.
Along with a Freighter...So I am well versed in the boredom of Mining.
As it seems the Naga sounds like it would definetley be out of the running...as for the Drake and Ferox...I will probably just fit one of each and stick them inside the Bowhead or Orca in the time of need. Thank you for all the input.
I also have a Megathron pilot up and coming (who also flies the talos) which I can see as a use for long range targeting so I will probably use the ferox more and or Drake. I have often even thought of using the Manticore but knowing its best in fleets may make it a bit rough though coupled with the Mega (which my Mega got her first pod kill the day the fish tank exploded) but none the less not sure how that would work coupled with the Manticore...
So many choices yet trying to find the best mixture for protection sucks! |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
274
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Posted - 2015.02.18 18:04:08 -
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Sorry to hear about the foot - hope it heals well. Good luck on your mining/protection adventures.
"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
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