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allanvv
Solar Wind
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.04 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: allanvv on 04/10/2006 19:17:01
Right now I'm using both my Raven and my Dominix to run L4 missions at once, on two monitors. Currently I never attract aggro on my Dominix (unless I mess up and cause a drone bug), so its high slots aren't serving much purpose; only the drones are doing much. (I use the drones to take out frigs/cruisers while the raven kills the BS's)
I was thinking: what if I put two shield transfer arrays, and a cap transfer relay on my high slots? Then 5 cap rechargers in meds, and 4 or 5 cap power relays (no need for a great tank.. I'll warp out if I get in trouble) in the lows.
So I'll have enough cap regen to easily run the two shield transfers, or one shield and one cap. It seems the two shield transfers is almost equivalent to the Gist B-type XLarge Booster I already have. This will allow the Raven to not worry about shield at all.. and if the tank really isn't holding I'll switch to a shield/cap transfer to let the Raven run the Gist XLarge for a pretty long time (or indefinately..)
So as long as I stay in transfer range.. it seems to me that it should make running the missions really simple. So is this a viable setup to run missions, or am I missing something that'll gimp this idea?
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Gcuz
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
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Posted - 2006.10.04 19:39:00 -
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Honestly... with the Gist B-Type XL booster, and the correct mission specific hardners, you should be able to solo most if not all lvl 4 missions.
Dragging the Dom along is just extra baggage, and the drones in some missions will cause 100% agro.
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Xiaodown
Dragons Of Redemption
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.04 20:28:00 -
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You could train up the domi pilot for repair drones if you haven't already and use the dominix's drones to feed shield to the raven. That's an extremely effective solution. 5 large shield bots feed a hell of a lot of shield.
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allanvv
Solar Wind
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.04 20:49:00 -
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Yeah, but I might as well use the Dominix's for something.. as it's just using its drones right now and not tanking. The drones can probably do a fair amount of dps to the smaller ships while the torps kill the BS's pretty fast.. so it seems like a good idea to me.
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Synapse X
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.04 22:32:00 -
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I do this. Originally I ran 2 dominixes to try to help me tank missions with drone aggro bugs, I cap transfered and armor transfered so much the dominix could tank any entire level 4 pocket (I'd litterally aggro'd every spawn at once). I wasnt very happy as the dps was pretty bad tho as the 2nd dominix wasnt contributing any dps at all, just using repair drones and transfer.
I switched the training on the 2nd acct to fly a raven... it turned into the tank, and the tanking domi turned into the support ship. Its all t2 now and a gist b-type XL which runs 24/7 with the dominix runnung 2 medium cap transfers as well as using its uber drone skills for dps, and a few 350's in the highs. I'm very careful in pulling spawns anyway, but ive yet to see the shields not able to keep themselves at 100%. I could probably aggro alot more at once than I do and get away with it.
Anyway! This makes most level 4's trivial (obviously) and has great dps. I've recently added target painters on the domi to speed things up even more, and both ships are using t2 drones.
Cap transfer to a shield tanker is sooooo much more efficient especially if using faction shield boosters. I had to use like Three LAR2's to use the massive amounts of cap I had available from the 2nd bs, where I can just use a single gist xl on the raven to soak up all the spare cap.
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Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.05 00:30:00 -
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I use a support Megathron to help my corp run missions all the time.
1 large 1 med remote shield xfer (may move to 2 large), 2 med remote armor reppers, 1 large 1 med cap xfer. Appropriate repair drones in the drone bay, meds/lows all filled with cap rechargers/caprelays except for one med for my afterburner.
I'm not sure if the drone bug affects non-combat support drones - I have yet to have my repair drones cause agro problems, or if they did, the benefit of them plus my remote reppers/cap xfers was so great that the corpmate I was repping was able to tank the entire spawn.
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Ezra Cornell
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Tunajuice
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Posted - 2006.10.05 04:04:00 -
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Hum in a few weeks I can be doing raven + domi.. the domi as a cap transfer + 5 ogre IIs is sounding temping...
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Gee'Kin
Tha Specialz
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:38:00 -
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if ur using 2 chars team-hassling lvl 4.
Make 1 char pure tank+frig killer, and 1 pure damage.
agrro all rats on ur tanker , take out frigs and cruisers. Use ur damage dealer to do the cruisers+bs.
These tactic made my lvl 4 missions running a breaze.
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Dobrak
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dobrak on 05/10/2006 11:57:20
Use repair drones on the domi to repair the raven, and use medium t2 drones on the raven to kill the smaller ships.
With 5 large shield drones working on it that Raven should have no chance of dying. Then fit 4 350mm II's or even 425 mm's on the Domi too to help kill cruisers and BS's with.
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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:09:00 -
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Fit the domi with atleast a tractor beam or two, just to loot directly.
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Tunajuice
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tunajuice on 05/10/2006 13:40:19
Edited by: Tunajuice on 05/10/2006 13:36:24
Well theres two ways I can go about this. In either case the raven would be similar:
Raven -
XL booster
shield tank
5 medium II drones
Blow up big stuff with missles, smaller with the mediums.
Domi v1
6 guns in Hi
Repair Drones
Shoot with guns, repair with repair drones
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Domi v2
3 nos 3 cap transfer in high
medium and heavy drone IIs for dps
So the question comes down to with the domi:
1) Which will do more DPS, 6 guns, or 5 medium/heavy drones with the drone DPS boost?
2) Which will heal more HP/sec. The 5 repair drones or the cap transfer.
So far I am leaning towards Domi v2. A possibility would be to switch some of the NOS for 3 small guns to help with the frigs... even 3 guns would save me a lot of frig trouble. 5 heavy shield repair drones only heal 60 shield per second. With a booster running more often, I can get a lot more shield per second on my raven. Being fed with 2 medium cap transfers, I should be able to almost run my XL booster full time... which is a lot of shields.
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Synapse X
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.05 21:15:00 -
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I'd definitely suggest NOT using shield maint drones combined with guns in high security mission running. In order to activate the drones on someone, you have to click okay to the "attack a friendly" dialogue box, and while the drones dont actually attack, you lose that dialogue box confirmation for the rest of the mission I think, and if you accidentally shoot yourself you will get no warning before the concordokken. I only suggest repair drones if your support ship is 0 dps, 100% support.
Second, the dps of the drones on a domi (assuming you have decent drone skills) is going to be better than a rack of large hybrids (which are near impossible to fit anyway), and much more versatile.
My support domi runs 3 350's, 2 medium best named cap transfers, and tractor beam. Mids are 3-4 cap charger 2's and 1-2 target painters. Lows I have a lar2, mar2, 2 cprs and 3 hardeners so it can tank decently should it get aggro. It can run both med xfers, 2 tp's, and 3 guns indefinitely which is enough to run a gist b-type XL booster and hardeners nonstop on the raven.
My goal was to have 2 fully tanking capable ships should things not go as planned.
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Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.06 02:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Synapse X
I'd definitely suggest NOT using shield maint drones combined with guns in high security mission running. In order to activate the drones on someone, you have to click okay to the "attack a friendly" dialogue box, and while the drones dont actually attack, you lose that dialogue box confirmation for the rest of the mission I think, and if you accidentally shoot yourself you will get no warning before the concordokken. I only suggest repair drones if your support ship is 0 dps, 100% support.
Second, the dps of the drones on a domi (assuming you have decent drone skills) is going to be better than a rack of large hybrids (which are near impossible to fit anyway), and much more versatile.
My support domi runs 3 350's, 2 medium best named cap transfers, and tractor beam. Mids are 3-4 cap charger 2's and 1-2 target painters. Lows I have a lar2, mar2, 2 cprs and 3 hardeners so it can tank decently should it get aggro. It can run both med xfers, 2 tp's, and 3 guns indefinitely which is enough to run a gist b-type XL booster and hardeners nonstop on the raven.
My goal was to have 2 fully tanking capable ships should things not go as planned.
I never get that dialog box when sending repair drones to a corpmate.
Also, if it's a corpmate and/or you're ganged, then there is no risk of getting CONCORDOKKENed if you shoot your other char. Shooting gangmates and corpmates is 100% legal.
My supportthron can't do any damage so it's kind of a moot point though.
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Ezra Cornell
pe0n, Calista Industries |
Tunajuice
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Posted - 2006.10.06 04:00:00 -
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cant shoot gangmates anymore, I think it got changed before I started playing. Or I am drunk and forgot. Either way.
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Synapse X
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ezra
Originally by: Synapse X
I'd definitely suggest NOT using shield maint drones combined with guns in high security mission running. In order to activate the drones on someone, you have to click okay to the "attack a friendly" dialogue box, and while the drones dont actually attack, you lose that dialogue box confirmation for the rest of the mission I think, and if you accidentally shoot yourself you will get no warning before the concordokken. I only suggest repair drones if your support ship is 0 dps, 100% support.
Second, the dps of the drones on a domi (assuming you have decent drone skills) is going to be better than a rack of large hybrids (which are near impossible to fit anyway), and much more versatile.
My support domi runs 3 350's, 2 medium best named cap transfers, and tractor beam. Mids are 3-4 cap charger 2's and 1-2 target painters. Lows I have a lar2, mar2, 2 cprs and 3 hardeners so it can tank decently should it get aggro. It can run both med xfers, 2 tp's, and 3 guns indefinitely which is enough to run a gist b-type XL booster and hardeners nonstop on the raven.
My goal was to have 2 fully tanking capable ships should things not go as planned.
I never get that dialog box when sending repair drones to a corpmate.
Also, if it's a corpmate and/or you're ganged, then there is no risk of getting CONCORDOKKENed if you shoot your other char. Shooting gangmates and corpmates is 100% legal.
My supportthron can't do any damage so it's kind of a moot point though.
Ah, well both my chars are still in the noob corp, so Im not allowed to shoot myself =p. Point still stands tho, sacrificing 5 trained drones dps for the repairing isnt worth it.
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