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Maze La'Zie
Caldari Technology La'Zie
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:42:00 -
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So the much-hyped election will be on the 27th day of this month...
Not that I'm eligible to vote, of course, but I can't help but feel alarmed at the prospect of Blaque taking power.
Whilst wars generate sales of arms, stability is crucial to a flourishing market.
Is there anything we can do as State citizens to lessen the threat of war with the Federation? ________________________ Chief Scientific Officer Technology La'Zie |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:59:00 -
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Democracy.
What an absurd concept.
No doubt the fools of the Federation will end up with the most foolish candidate as their leader.
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Vlada Milani
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.10.04 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Democracy.
What an absurd concept.
No doubt the fools of the Federation will end up with the most foolish candidate as their leader.
A conversation with the average Federation voter would confirm that.
"Every civilization must negotiate compromises with its own sense of morality." Practical. |
Masamune Kuroda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Masamune Kuroda on 04/10/2006 23:11:39
Originally by: Maze La'Zie Is there anything we can do as State citizens to lessen the threat of war with the Federation?
Yes. Keep the edge. There is nothing like the prospect of being impaled upon a proverbial "sharper sword" as a deterrent to possible agressors. The Caldari State has superior technology over any other civilization save Jovians, and they are unlikely to ever pose a direct threat. As long as this state of affairs continues, the idea of open warfare will be less than appealing to any who consider it.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:16:00 -
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Is it suprising to see Blaque in the lead?
Ofcourse not. It's no secret the Gallente love themselves, and that their notions of equality are nothing by lies and hypocracy.
In a very short time, we will see what they are made of. Are the hollow words of peace and equality going to be smashed when they re-elect a leader that would bring pride to the government they had when they attacked the Caldari? It's looking that way. I greatly pity the Intaki and Minmatar living inside the Federation. They will soon get to see what it's like to have people attempt to enslave them with words, and attempt to destroy their anomity.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.05 02:01:00 -
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None of this makes any real difference. The Federation is the same entity regardless of which lunatic is at the helm, and will swing back and forth between various pointless directions just as quickly and reliably. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.05 03:05:00 -
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When a nation is ruled by the will of the mob, a charismatic fool can lead them all down a dangerous path.
I hope someone plants an antimatter charge in his shuttle, and saves us all from the path he looks to be walking.
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Arushia
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.05 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Is it suprising to see Blaque in the lead?
Ofcourse not. It's no secret the Gallente love themselves, and that their notions of equality are nothing by lies and hypocracy.
The fact that most Gallente (rightly) see the Foiritan administration as hopelessly corrupt may be the chief reason. Foiritan is widely held responsible for the massive delay in the elections. And the recent theft of a navy mothership by the Serpentis is a demonstration of the incompetence of the military leaders he's appointed.
I don't think Blaque's war-mongering will be good for the federation, but it can't be worse than Foiritan's incompetence. I was an Autrech supporter. His withdrawal hurt us all.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.05 06:30:00 -
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What you knuckleheads don't understand is that in a Democracy, the politicians are not in control.
Politicians are the sock puppets that the masses vote for, to make them think they are in control.
Behind the politicians are the puppet masters who lobby and manipulate the politicians.
No matter who you vote for, its the people behind the scenes who are in charge.
You're not voting on who leads the federation, you're just voting for which puppet they're going to use.
Democracy isn't really democracy.
Democracy is actually an Oligarchy.
The few who have influence, enjoy that influence because they earned it.
They made the money, they made the connections, its no less than what it takes to be the Amarr Emperor, or the head of a Caldari megacorp.
Human societies really are not that different from each other.
Only the faces change.
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Elrianmk2
Gallente Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.05 06:33:00 -
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Blaque has not threatened war overtly as yet. Yes he does believe in the better treatment of the Gallante people's and that i beleive apply to al the people wthin the federation. With luck however he will have the backbone to stand up to the Serpentis agression in and around federation space and deal with the incursions b the Amarr "recruitment" parties that enter our space.
Something several of us are already dealing with outside of federation boarders. The Caldari should have little to fear as long as you keep a riegn on those rabid people who wish to slaughter thier way back to your old homeworld.
Ushra'Khan fights for freedom, why dont you? ----- If it wasnt for bad luck i would have no luck at all The only certainties are death and taxes.
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Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Karl Mattar on 05/10/2006 13:28:30 Freedom is an illusion. It's path leads to chaos and a lack of personal responsibility. Only in dedicated service to an ideal higher than the individual can one become greater than they are.
Mentas Blaque is simply the result of a self-indulgent population in control of the government. It is no wonder that an aggressive personality leads in the pre-election polls. Your people no longer can do for themselves, and even with a massive influx of Minmatar workers, cannot keep the economy going under the your democracy. So now you will elect someone who will look outside of your space to find more resources to feed upon.
Democracy is a self-destructive philosophy. When the people realize they control the government, they will vote themselves greater and greater largesse at the expense of the taxpayer. Eventually, the government cannot sustain the outflow of capital, and must look elsewhere to get the revenue to meet it's internal demands. Where will the Federation next turn to feed itself?
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Selim
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.05 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 05/10/2006 14:58:58
Originally by: Karl Mattar Edited by: Karl Mattar on 05/10/2006 13:28:30 Freedom is an illusion. It's path leads to chaos and a lack of personal responsibility. Only in dedicated service to an ideal higher than the individual can one become greater than they are.
Mentas Blaque is simply the result of a self-indulgent population in control of the government. It is no wonder that an aggressive personality leads in the pre-election polls. Your people no longer can do for themselves, and even with a massive influx of Minmatar workers, cannot keep the economy going under the your democracy. So now you will elect someone who will look outside of your space to find more resources to feed upon.
Democracy is a self-destructive philosophy. When the people realize they control the government, they will vote themselves greater and greater largesse at the expense of the taxpayer. Eventually, the government cannot sustain the outflow of capital, and must look elsewhere to get the revenue to meet it's internal demands. Where will the Federation next turn to feed itself?
The Federation is no victim of democracy. The Federation is a victim of corruption and corporate control. You cannot seriously believe that the people of the Federation are seriously in control. Or can you?
As I've stated in another thread, the Federation is the same as the State: The corporations control the government. Its just that in the State, they don't hide the fact, and in the Federation they grant basic freedoms. Ultimately, political power is completely centralized, in both cases, into the hands of a few rich businessmen and power brokers.
Mentas Blaque, I believe, is free from the corruption. Unlike many gallente leaders, he has a vision. The thing is, he has a completely nationalist, xenophobic, anti-democratic vision. The Gallente people are looking for a strong, infallible leader like Blaque to bring the Federation back to its days of unrivaled military strength and economic power, even if it means the oppresion of various minority groups and the loss of some of their freedoms.
THIS is what I am against. People putting their lives in the hands of demagogues without any thought as to the implications. On the one hand we have corporate control, on the other we have demagoguism. I believe there is another option, but the Gallente do not realize it.
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Arushia
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.05 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
They made the money, they made the connections, its no less than what it takes to be the Amarr Emperor, or the head of a Caldari megacorp.
I won't dispute the Caldari analogy, but the Amarr Emperor-ship (is that a word?) is limited by Amarrian law to 5 Amarrian families. Anyone born a Gallente citizen is allowed to be president, though there non-legal obstacles for many to overcome before having a real chance.
Originally by: Karl Mattar Where will the Federation next turn to feed itself?
Even if what you said was true, the Federation would be a fool to seek war with the state, with large sections of Cloud Ring near our borders un-claimed and nearly un-populated.
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Rollory
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.05 19:43:00 -
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It's time to restore the monarchy.
No other governmental structure will preserve the freedoms and prosperity of the Gallente people while also defending them effectively against the rapacious greed of alien breeds of human.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.05 23:06:00 -
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Is that fear I smell?
I have to hand it to Foiritan's political spin machine. He's managed to convince many reasonably intelligent individuals that Blaque is the worst thing since the Reclaiming.
What's next? Blaque eats children?
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Strikeclone
Caldari Starscreamers
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Posted - 2006.10.05 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2 The Caldari should have little to fear as long as you keep a riegn on those rabid people who wish to slaughter thier way back to your old homeworld.
Ironic words for someone in a terrorist organisation whose aim is to slaughter their way to freedom. Do as I say not as I do............ In any case there will be no need to slaughter our way to anything, you can either give Caldari Prime back or if blaque gets in he will start a war that we will win and once the federation has been slapped about we will just walk back in.
Strikeclone Celer Et Audax Caldari Prime will be ours again!
Hoist Battle Ensigns
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The Associate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: The Associate on 05/10/2006 23:31:49
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Is that fear I smell?
I have to hand it to Foiritan's political spin machine. He's managed to convince many reasonably intelligent individuals that Blaque is the worst thing since the Reclaiming.
'Cos, you know, Blaque will certainly make the trains run on time...
The Red Mom of WarÖ
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Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.06 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
'Cos, you know, Blaque will certainly make the trains run on time...
He might even keep them from being stolen.
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Crystal Kali
Floating Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.06 08:00:00 -
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I fear for what is going to happen next. What must happen. Mentas Blaque will be elected as a reaction against the complacency of Foiritan's last term, tensions will rise and strife will tear the Federation asunder ushering in a civil war.
But that might be the only way to move the Federation from complacency. With the warmongers screaming for murder on all sides and the hostilities between Empires growing, external war must come and the Federation must get over itself in order to survive.
Eman Autrech was wise when he chose to withdraw from the upcoming conflict. I shall be voting for Foiritan but when Blaque ascends and his reforms prompt war, I will remember my debt to the Federation and will be there to defend it's people regardless of who makes the decisions.
I do not see Blaque remaining President for years to come.
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Rabisque
Gallente Team JAVELIN The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:15:00 -
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As much as I hate to disagree with the lovely Ms. Doyle, I think Blaque might run the Federation into the ground. Eman Autrech would have been a much better option for the common Federation citizen.
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