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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.10.27 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 27/10/2003 04:47:11
Seems like you dudes kicks NVA arse atm.
How come that NVA witch is a big alliance
gets beat up by a corp consisting of old
M3G4 members.
I meen, if alliances are so bad in fighting,why
bither joining one.
After all , you dont join an alliance to get
access to space - you join to get stronger.
But as it seems now, the NVA alliance gets
their arses kicked back to the early stoneage.
Losing XX BSs in 1 day .. ohh my  .
It seems strength dont come from numbers  .
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Sequin
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Posted - 2003.10.27 03:11:00 -
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Some alliances can't fight. Some can.
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[i]Redon > evol and mass have a GM helping them with everything
Redon > notice how they always get ships replaced and none of us cant <--- Hurray for teamwork!
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.10.27 03:24:00 -
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Some alliances can't fight. Some can.
Indeed. Sometimes the sheer numbers are enough to counter balance this weakness, sometimes it isn't.
There are may other advantages to be had in a regional alliance so don't sell them short, even the ones who can't fight.
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Now and again, this my saving grace
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Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.10.27 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lottsa Pox on 27/10/2003 03:26:56
Edited by: Lottsa Pox on 27/10/2003 03:26:23
pardon me but the NVA didnt lose 40 battleships in a day. They did lose substational forces however they were using techincally sound tactics.
Just dont want exaggerations getting into the hundreds of bs lost in a day type thing. We have stated our intentions how we go about them NVA is still figuring it out.
Btw they did keep coming at us, whatever you call it I believe it does deserve respect. We (BioMass Cartel, Space Invader, And Company present) didnt realize that we had taking MINIMUM loses until after the fact when we were taking body counts.
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Podding a system near you
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Podding a system near you |
Dreez
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Posted - 2003.10.27 03:35:00 -
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IŠve learned that when the fight dont go
your way - retreat, focus and evaluate
the situation, fight another day on your terms.
Maybe iŠve been tought wrong  .
Hey, i dont know much about whats going on
in Venal - maybe both sides are fighting
bravely.
But there is a fine diffrense between beeing
brave and beeing stupid.
(not calling anyone stupid)
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.10.27 03:41:00 -
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In any conflict you develop a plan which includes escape points in your plan. Then you execute the plan. Sometimes plans go down the straight and narrow to perfection sometimes they implode. What NVA did should NOT be declared as a foolhardy decision? Why you ask.
They had a plan and followed it. We just happened to implode it. Maybe just maybe it would have went the other way.
To overestimate is smart to underestimate is just plain stupid. Take your pick. Personally i will show more respect to my Foes in the NVA than i will from someone from Vector hurling insults from regions away.
Enjoy the game, i know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Podding a system near you
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.10.27 04:24:00 -
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I didnt meen to insult anyone - i just tought
it was strange that NVA lost so many ship
while Biomass & Co lost so few.
I have always lived by those 2 rules myself.
1: Never Underestimate your enemy.
2: Never Overestimate yourself.
Keeps you alive , the moment you turn arrogant
out there in Combat - youŠre certain to become
the next EGG-Pilot..... if youŠre lucky.
Me myself got experience from plans gone wrong
when chasing Corps we were at war with.
The plan was to camp a gate, and "someone"
decided to split the force into Scouts - the
outcome is not hard to guess .
**** happens - lesson learned - got over it.
When you face an enemy as good as Biomass
appearently is, you should stick to the
plan longest possible.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Killza
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Posted - 2003.10.27 04:31:00 -
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NVA pox is right NVA never lost 40 ships lastnight. They did lose a high number. From the main fight I think they lose about 10 ships, and lost about another 5 or so single out kills, still a high number of kills. Not sure how many cruisers where lost though about 10. We took a lose of 1 scorp and 1 blackbird. I am also amazed we did not take more loses, I think the NVA just made 1 wrong move and it cost them dearly. Still It was a killer fight, and I got the video of it.. :) nice.
Killza
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Masi
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Posted - 2003.10.27 07:15:00 -
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Only been in Bio for a few days and already see why they beat they large NVA while being out-numbered. When formerly CNX, i worked with EVOL in Venal helping to protect them from TTi and m3g4 (Ironic eh? :p) and i can hoenstly say those 3 corps mentioned always do well in battles is because of
Good Communications
Team Work
People Doing what there told and when
Knowing when to strike or when to camp
Also, look at the experiance. Bio and EVOL arnt your avarage corp who mine 24/7. There known for combat and have great experiance in PvP which is everything, unexperianced ppl flying battleships in war is a......waste of money really :x
My 2$
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TMX
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Posted - 2003.10.27 09:31:00 -
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they have won a batlle but not the war!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.10.27 09:52:00 -
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Quote:
When you face an enemy as good as Biomass
appearently is, you should stick to the
plan longest possible.
No plan lasts longer than first engagement with the Enemy.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.10.27 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 27/10/2003 09:53:56
A repeat of that night simply won't happen.
You learn by your mistakes.
If you look at some of the corps in the NVA they aren't all miners and Biomass know this from experience.
Mistakes will be made, and battles will be lost. It's all part of the fun.
BTW I wasn't there for the big battle a couple of nights ago unfortunately 
No point in having a 'battleship' if you're afraid to loose it. I've already lost one to biomass this week but still had great delight in taking a couple down with me 
Loosing a battle can be fun too believe it or not.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.27 11:37:00 -
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Of course defeats as enormous and total as this are highly embarrassing and ideally should never happen. However it isn't by any means 'back to the stone age' thanks to the wonder that is insurance. Another point is that the NVA are the smallest of the large alliances and Biomass are the largest single pirate organisation at the moment.
As far as I can tell (I was in bed at the time so I'm only going by what I heard) the NVA forces attacked in waves against a position camped by prepared experienced PvPers. Attacking a camped position is dangerous at the best of times even if you have a large numerical superiority, but attacking in waves threw away that advantage for our side. The final mistake of course was for the people not to have cut their losses and called it a day after the death count started rising.
So, a tough lesson for those involved - but that which does not destroy us makes us stronger as the saying goes.
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.10.27 12:48:00 -
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here is the reason the NVA keep losing battles. because they follow m'dear mrs muppet
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 12:51:00 -
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Did you get that one out of your magic hat?
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.10.27 12:53:00 -
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umm , no.. I pulled it from your arse b4 I handed it to you 
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 13:00:00 -
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I'm afraid monsieur windbag ... you have never managed to hand me anything of moment. Talk to me in a month ... if you are still here.
Wars don't get resolved in a single night and smacktalk alone doesn't shut down a region.
You taught us one valuable lesson over the past weekend.
But this boastful triumphalism teaches nobody anything apart from "pride comes before a fall" and that Biomass needs better PR reps.
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.10.27 13:03:00 -
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lol....your a freak have you forgotten the last time we "m3g4" went to venal. guess the memory of a muppet isnt too long , aye? and Jade yes we can hand you your arse if you like .I think we have a Jade corpsicle floating around here somewhere
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 27/10/2003 13:09:22
that was another mans work Naryan ... I was killed by Number One, not by you. Or is Biomass now in the practise of every man claims full credit for every kill every made by anyone in your corp?
Convenient for you ego but it makes you look a total joke of course.
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.10.27 13:29:00 -
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it was a joint effort ...lol.. the same way you yourself claims to do the work for NVA when its fighters like hammah , lurk , cormyat, and rafterman who are the ones suffering from your stupidity
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 13:33:00 -
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Ah non monsieur Windbag, you see when I publicise NVA victories I credit the pilots who achieve them you see.
I begin to understand where you are going wrong; I imagine public relations work is so very confusing in numptyville.
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Naru Kraurr
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Posted - 2003.10.27 13:38:00 -
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Now all the dust has settled on the battle at the weekend, it's nice to know what actually happened. It's a pity us European guys were asleep.
Anyway, kudos to Pox who nipped this one in the bud. It's good to see that each side of a conflict hates to see inacurate reports on losses\kills. It's a pity that everyone in these conflicts can't refrain from smack talk though.
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.10.27 13:42:00 -
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Actually .... Biomass has a few "night walkers"
from Europe who take part in the Epic battle ...
Stand by your brother, sleep later ..
Mongo speaks !!
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Naru Kraurr
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Posted - 2003.10.27 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Naru Kraurr on 27/10/2003 14:31:42
I've tried the "night walker" thing and going back to work on a Monday with your body stuck on EST or PST just isn't healthy. Being "Jet Lagged" for 2 to 3 days just isn't any fun.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.10.27 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 27/10/2003 18:32:14
Before this very good tread gets strung out to another 1 sentence smack talk fest, I would like to make a few comments.
-NVA fleet at time of battle was 26 members
-Approx. losses numbered 12 ships (mostly battleships)
Lottsa, Thank you for your very fair and insightful comments. Its a shame that those who understand fleet engagements have to explain the intricate details to those who have never even been in one. Let alone commnded one. I am sure most think that fleets show up, slug it out and someone gets "pwnded" (did I spell that right?)
As the commander of the NVA forces in battle yesterday, I tip my hat to the Biomass fleet and offer a sincere "good-game". My hardest job that night was holding everyone together after 3 hours of playing "mexican standoff" (waiting). And like Lottsa said, we did have a plan and it was a simple one too. "Hold our position and let no-one through".
So we sat and stared at 2 red dots for three hours. Thanks to spys in both systems, we knew their position and strength and they knew ours. We tryed loggin our members off to give the impression of a diminished force. That did not work. At 4:30am it was hard holding the fleet together, so I decided it was time to force the issue. My options were:
-Log out on the spot. But then the Bio/SPVD fleet would rush in to Venal and claim victory.
-Withdraw and go home. But then the Bio/SPVD fleet would rush in to Venal and claim victory.
-Force the issue with a fleet manuever.
I chose the latter and decided upon a fiegned retreat in to H-PA with a quick re-deployment back to our same position at the gate in P-FS. It was a gamble but one I thought we had time to perfom since the enemy fleet was still 2 jumps away.
History will write of me as a "poor gambler" and our opponents as "one speedy fleet". The timing of the Bio/SPVD fleet could not have been any better. They arrived at our destination moments before we arrived (in frequent, small packs) and the rest history. A crushing military defeat that I take responsibility for.
So, to the original poster, my response is; One single decision can completely change the makeup up of the battlefield. We had superior numbers, and could have held that gate if we had held our ground. However, wars are never won with "what-ifs".
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 18:46:00 -
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Halseth,
History should remember you as an honest man that tried his best and had the nobility of spirit to take responsibility. I have been very impressed by the fighting spirit of Oberon and by your own personal guts and commitment to the war effort.
Battles are lost, but the war is only hopeless when our will to fight is gone.
And your courage and integrity in the darkest times will only spur the desire of the NVA to fight back to prove our right in battle against the jests and jibes of lesser men.
We learned a lot in that battle.
A lot more than our foes did I warrent.
Love and peace
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Violation
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Posted - 2003.10.27 18:56:00 -
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Next time let someone who knows what they are doing command your fleet, you may not lose so badly.
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Masi
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Posted - 2003.10.27 19:10:00 -
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Does Jade actuly go to the battles? Never seen or heard about her being at one...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 20:10:00 -
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Quite rairly in truth, I spend most of my time in game doing logistics runs and chatting to people. Biggest couple of fights I was in were during the tale end of the venal war and I was killed twice. One of my problems with participation vs Biomass is the time scale. The big fights all seem to happen when I am asleep. Still its only a matter of time till one of them happens when I am there.
But as I have said many times on these matters; I'm not primarily a fighter; not much good at it, nor a great tactician. One of the reasons for being pro-alliance is that we all do what we are good at.
And I have practically zero ego to be tweaked by accusations of "cowardice" etc etc ... don't waste your breath m'dear.
If you want to kill me you will have to come and find me.
Warefare isn't all single combat and gladiator games.
Still I am training combat skills, doubtless the day will come ...
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Sonia
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:44:00 -
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it's to my knowledge that most if not all of the rona elite fighting team didnt take part in this nva battle over the weekend. i have very strong faith about the fighting capability of rona elite and will bet the farm that the biomass would have suffer a much greater casualty rating if most of the train pvp nva players were awake. looking at the video, didnt see much of a fight from nva. just my 2 cents in it.
i dont want to fight you but i will defend myself
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Jacob Molari
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:23:00 -
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Sonia,
What exactly is a "rona elite". What makes them elite... did people vote on that?
I know of a few elite fighters in the game. I've seen them in SI and BioMass, and they certainly have earned the right to be called "elite".
What makes you think that your entire group is elite? Do you have a "No N0.oB" policy or what.
Me thinks thou suffers some delusions of grandeur...
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Jacob Molari
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:28:00 -
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Dreez,
I'll tell you why you join NVA.
First, you are generally a happy go-lucky type guy, who doesn't like alot of PvP.
Second, no matter how badly you do, you want a corp that can replace your losses in a few hours.
The thing that causes me a bit of pause about the NVA is that even with terrible losses suffered, the NVA can shrug it off.
The NVA lost an estmated 12-15 BS and some cruisers that night, but they were able to replace their losses and then some in a few days.
BioMass can't do that. No matter how big we are, we just don't have alot of people interested in mining. Our losses hurt, while theirs are just an inconvenience.
Sooo, that's why you join NVA.
And that's why BioMass has to be ruthless, and careful...
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:27:00 -
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Hey, thanks for your encouraging support, Sonia. Big help to your alliance.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.02 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 03/11/2003 02:33:37
Strength does come from numbers, if used properly. Use more expendable cruisers like blackbirds and caracals. Hell even an Krestel with cruisemissle launchers can decide everything.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2003.11.03 22:01:00 -
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I, for one, would like to applaud both sides (the more mature parties at least) for providing great entertainment and for role playing this to its utmost. Unfortunately, this game lacks battles of this size, and for the 90% of us who are dedicated miners, reading about epic battles like this is a welcome release.  I for one would be more than happy to give up my life of mining to join something that seems to be so massive. If there were more storylines like this evolving elsewhere in eve, this game would be much more interesting. - 2 bits from a humble non-participant.
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.11.06 06:28:00 -
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my speedy response to this post will show you how seriously i take these forums ......hehe
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.11.06 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 06/11/2003 11:34:51
Not my place to make i comment, but i think i must.
I NEVER hear of the NVA attacking obe/jan.
take the fight to the enemy, dont sit back and wait for them to plan the attack. Fight them on your terms with a good plan of action.
We once caught 7 Biomice mining in the obe area (hanns, diesil, pox among them, 1 Bs and 1 cruiser destroyed) , its not hard to do, just get stuck in.
I even had a mole inside Biomice at one point whom gave us info for ISK. it wasnt an alt, but a full time member.
Im not looking to preach, but i do think some actions are needed soon, and i mean soon .
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PoXiE
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Posted - 2003.11.06 12:14:00 -
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Not trying to take sides here or anything...
/emote turns on flame shield hardeners and hugs deisel.
It is very true that numbers dont matter...to an extent. It is also true that some alliances can fight and others simply cannot.::cough::CFS::cough::
When I say numbers dont matter I dont mean im gonna go take on some huge fleet by myself. Im talking about guerilla warfare. No again...not talking about jumping out of trees and cutting peoples throats with some sort of sharpened piece of dung.
Maybe you just have to figure it out for yourself =P.
As I said above...some alliances simply cannot fight. This is because they like having sex with big rocks with peculiar names. Hence the term "roid humper."
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.11.07 19:06:00 -
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ROFL!!!! OMFG!!! WTF are you talking about solo? total we have lost 4 BS's since the creation of Bio... those ships lost to NVA....so tell me ...when was it that you took one for yourself?.. do your lies give you hair on your balls? its funny how you come up with a blatent lie and then how you sit there infront of your PC thinking you are a big boy...lol...then you go to the restroom and look in the mirror..thats when it becomes clear .... you are pathetic ... starting to sound like JAde Constipate and her Jerricurl ****tion
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Captain Massacre
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Posted - 2003.11.07 19:35:00 -
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Biomass is to be commended on their fine PvP ability. The Venal Massacre will go down in the annuals of eve history as a great victory.
Biomass I salute you! I only hope I can follow in your own worthy pirate shoes as a fledgling pirate myself.
Jade Constipate's time is almost at and end.
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Rutherford
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Posted - 2003.11.07 23:47:00 -
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Solo might be talking about the many times you guys get bushwacked in and around Obe.
I have the logs to a conversation in local with several biomass members who do not deny the fact they lost 1 raven, 1 scorp, and 1 bb in an engaged against 2 battleships.
Yep, you guys lost a 2v3 fight.
Care to see the logs?
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.11.09 03:35:00 -
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well thnx buddy .....convo me ingame if you like . as for the rest of you ....with in the last several weeks we have only lost a small handful of ships to nva and a corp called R.O.T .. i think i would know if there was anything else.....these ships that were lost , we lost to fair and honorable fights.. so whats the point of all the stupid lies man ? that doenst make your d1ck grow bigger.... does it? 
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Artegg
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Posted - 2003.11.09 13:10:00 -
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Quote:
it's to my knowledge that most if not all of the rona elite fighting team didnt take part in this nva battle over the weekend. i have very strong faith about the fighting capability of rona elite and will bet the farm that the biomass would have suffer a much greater casualty rating if most of the train pvp nva players were awake. looking at the video, didnt see much of a fight from nva. just my 2 cents in it.
*hides his head*
Sonia please do not post like this again.
Sadly i was away during this big battle and was sad to have missed it but i do not think that another 10 ships would have made a difference. Halseth made a very good call but sadly when moving a large fleet like this is not easy and it was just bad timing that resulted in the NVA losses. Biomass and co are some of the best pvper's in the game and i have a lot of respect for them and comments like above do not help. The NVA has learnt a lesson from this battle and we have come out stronger and i look forward to the next fight
i dont want to fight you but i will defend myself
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