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raVn666 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.05 17:22:00 - [1] I know this is a well discussed topic, but sitting here with my coffee ,bored because my internet is to laggy to play eve with atm ...this ideas tend to pop up. To the case ... I wish there was a system where concord places bountys on ppl commiting crimes in lowsec/highsec. this would make both bountyhunting and pirating much more interresting. My idea is simple , for every crime committed (shipkills/podkills) concord should put a small amount of isk on the criminal who lied the final blow , no matter if he have positiv sec standing or negative. Ofc you shouldnt get any bounty placed by concord from shooting outlaws (-5 and below) The idea is to rank the size of the bounty set after how big/serious the kill is Examply a shuttle/noobship will only give the criminal 500-1000 isk bounty-rise, but a battleship/T2 ship can give up to 100 000 isk bounty-rise,and capitolshipkill mabe even more I know the issue with ppl getting theyr alts to pod them to get the bounty , but with this system they would have to be really active and work hard, to get the bounty high enough for it to be worth the effort. think a bout it ... and gimme a reply
Master Spoonman	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:48:00 - [2] Why would the police pay a criminal for shooting up an innocent person? *** Special thanks to Zurtur to making this signature for me
Civian The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2006.10.05 19:00:00 - [3] Why does the FBI offer $10,000,000 for Bin Laden when he kills innocent people? K thx.
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.05 19:24:00 - [4] Sounds quite nice. It would be a lot harder for pirates and alike to accumulate a huge bounty very fast. Having a big bounty in such circumstances would also denote a very dangerous person, unlike now, when every bloke with some cash puts mils on someone becasue their ship is faster or something. Don't knwo why but I can't thing but of drawbaks, except the above. It will still be exploitable. A person accumulating a big bounty in 6months to a year taht has low esteem and is not proud of the bounty will still use the alt poding technique. It will create an isk flow. What goes in must come out. We already have too much isk in game and prices for certain things go much much too high while a lot of other things become cheaper and cheaper. I personaly believe that a person should work harder for a ship, even a t1 ship, thus a person will appreciate more what he/she is flying and try harder to keep it for a longer time. It will be hard to implement and put in "it's right place" in game. Small example: teoreticaly a crime commited in a plce with very high security is a bigger crime than a crime commited ina place with much much lower security, because teoreticaly in a high security place it is harder to comit a crime. Now back to our game, true pirates, those that make a living out of crime, live in low security space, while crimes comited in high security space are mostly done by newcomers. How do we deal about this situation ? Ok, I'm login in now must play....... Rina what has 4 legs and 1 hand? a happy pitbull
Eve Hel	Posted - 2006.10.05 20:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Eve Hel on 05/10/2006 20:05:14 sounds good i like it
Eve Hel	Posted - 2006.10.05 20:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Master Spoonman Why would the police pay a criminal for shooting up an innocent person? i want some of what you'r smoking
Corvus Dove Caldari Soul Collectors	Posted - 2006.10.05 20:22:00 - [7] That could be farmed in so many ways.....and cause hella lag in the process..... Here's the most obvious: Pirate has 2 accounts. He logs in on one computer and then again on another. Run macro. 123091873401293871903475012938475ISK 12 days later after repeatedly killing the same noobship and pod over and over. Granted, it includes something against the EULA, but then you'd just see more macro money entering into the MMORPG coin market. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
raVn666 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.05 20:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Corvus Dove That could be farmed in so many ways.....and cause hella lag in the process..... Here's the most obvious: Pirate has 2 accounts. He logs in on one computer and then again on another. Run macro. 123091873401293871903475012938475ISK 12 days later after repeatedly killing the same noobship and pod over and over. Granted, it includes something against the EULA, but then you'd just see more macro money entering into the MMORPG coin market. well if you exclude both noobshipkills and podkills from this bountysystem it would exclude macros abusing the system , cause then they had to buy a shuttle for 9000 isk and only get 500-1000k bounty back. And I think replacing the current bountysystem with a system like this would benefit both pirates and bountyhunters , cause it will also indicate how sucsessful you are as a pirate and a better chance for outcome amongs the hunters
Vladimir Norkoff Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Civian Why does the FBI offer $10,000,000 for Bin Laden when he kills innocent people? K thx. OMG!! That is a great analogy Civian!! You win the 2006 debate award!!.. There is a slight difference however between your analogy and the OP... When somebody is killed in EVE they don't exactly stay dead, they wake up in a clone bay.. Hence criminals are able to collect the bounties on themselves fairly easily with no lasting repercussions.. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that's not really the case IRL (but don't quote me on that).. Kinda makes the Concord bounty thing worthless, and just becomes Concord subsidizing piracy = not good.. Great post though. However, I do have to ask... Why the **** do you bother?
raVn666 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: Civian Why does the FBI offer $10,000,000 for Bin Laden when he kills innocent people? K thx. OMG!! That is a great analogy Civian!! You win the 2006 debate award!!.. There is a slight difference however between your analogy and the OP... When somebody is killed in EVE they don't exactly stay dead, they wake up in a clone bay.. Hence criminals are able to collect the bounties on themselves fairly easily with no lasting repercussions.. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that's not really the case IRL (but don't quote me on that).. Kinda makes the Concord bounty thing worthless, and just becomes Concord subsidizing piracy = not good.. Great post though. However, I do have to ask... Why the **** do you bother? ANTIPIRATE ..go back to your cage !!! No serious , I dont see this as concord subsidicing piracy, but rather rewarding people that kills them. Also it will indicate what pirates that really is worth killing. Everyone can get -10 by shooting noobships and pods sitting at 180 km from gate, and since those gives little award in form of bounty more pirates might be tempted to do more belthunting again , to look for the real target. Also I dont think its easy to get a fat 100 mill bounty with this system , If you see a pirate with this amount you should surtainly to fear him

Vladimir Norkoff Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:50:00 - [11] Quote: ANTIPIRATE ..go back to your cage !!! LOL!!.. Oh yeah! Anti-pirate, that's me! .. Try again ace (hint - complete opposite of anti-pirate).. More like a pirate with a sense of game balance.. Maybe you should have another cup of coffee to finish waking up?.. Concord bounties would be far far far too abusable.. I would be alt podding myself on a monthly basis - it'd be like a paycheck from Concord for killing people.. Profitable, but very lame..
raVn666 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Quote: ANTIPIRATE ..go back to your cage !!! LOL!!.. Oh yeah! Anti-pirate, that's me! .. Try again ace (hint - complete opposite of anti-pirate).. More like a pirate with a sense of game balance.. Maybe you should have another cup of coffee to finish waking up?.. Concord bounties would be far far far too abusable.. I would be alt podding myself on a monthly basis - it'd be like a paycheck from Concord for killing people.. Profitable, but very lame.. good to read , but you will have to work hard to make the paycheck worth it examply: shuttlekill 1000 isk bounty = 1000 shuttle for 1 mill isk bounty battleship = 100 000 isk = 10 battleships for one mill isk bounty If you then need a 30 mill sp clone you have to kill atleast 80 battleships to cover your loss if you selfdestruct
X ChaosX Caldari Panzershrek	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:04:00 - [13] Edited by: X ChaosX on 05/10/2006 22:05:03 nvm, i didnt read the rest of the post ______________________________________________ Originally by: Bill Shankly i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:06:00 - [14] Hi Ravn! I allready proposed this months ago and just lately in another topic "Pirating and Kali" Its not done with placing the concord-bounty. It must come along with pirates not being allowed to insure their ships. Otherwise it gets sploited. Second important thing is that the bounty payment has to be linked to the ship that was destroyed and not to the pod. For example a pirate has 100 mil bounty and gets killed in a Thorax. Piratehunter should get 6 mil ISK and 94 mil should stay on pirates head. I hope DEVs will one day code this because we pirates have been nerfed a lot, but piratehunters never got any love of CCP. Hugs piratehunters Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Arthur McFredric Caldari Polaris Project	Posted - 2006.10.06 06:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Arthur McFredric on 06/10/2006 06:18:23 Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Quote: ANTIPIRATE ..go back to your cage !!! LOL!!.. Oh yeah! Anti-pirate, that's me! .. Try again ace (hint - complete opposite of anti-pirate).. More like a pirate with a sense of game balance.. Maybe you should have another cup of coffee to finish waking up?.. Concord bounties would be far far far too abusable.. I would be alt podding myself on a monthly basis - it'd be like a paycheck from Concord for killing people.. Profitable, but very lame.. How about this: I will be podding you on a monthly basis Some of us do like to get them skills done, therefore we use implants. Implants costs money. They also make you smarter Try it sometime!
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.10.06 06:38:00 - [16] I think it's a nice idea: would make me look more badass. As for the idea of pirates podding themselves, that would be totally pointless compared to other methods of ISK. Assuming my clone costs 8mil (grade pi, 30mil SP), I have to kill 80 battleships to get my investment back. So, after killing 100 player battleships, I make... 2million ISK. Now, after killing 2 NPC battleships, I make... the same 2million ISK. Now compare the difficulty of killing an NPC battleship with a player battleship. I forsee the number of pirates farming this as... zero. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Jan Riksma Dark Reality	Posted - 2006.10.06 08:03:00 - [17] Well i want a change in bountysystem aswell but i don't know if the sugested solutions by ravn and lifewire will fix the current bountysystem nor do i have a sugestion/solution. I hope the contractsystem thats going to be implented in Kali will open up bountyhunting more an we pirates get some beter oponents to shoot at or die. cheers, Jan
IfYouJumpThenYouDie	Posted - 2006.10.06 08:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: Civian Why does the FBI offer $10,000,000 for Bin Laden when he kills innocent people? K thx. OMG!! That is a great analogy Civian!! You win the 2006 debate award!!.. There is a slight difference however between your analogy and the OP... When somebody is killed in EVE they don't exactly stay dead, they wake up in a clone bay.. Hence criminals are able to collect the bounties on themselves fairly easily with no lasting repercussions.. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that's not really the case IRL (but don't quote me on that).. Kinda makes the Concord bounty thing worthless, and just becomes Concord subsidizing piracy = not good.. Great post though. However, I do have to ask... Why the **** do you bother? It's just an idea, don't be so anal about everything.
raVn666 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 16:48:00 - [19] Something should definnitive be done with the current situation for piracy. And I think a change in the bountysystem amongst other things will do the profession good. Personally I only randomly hunt in lowsec this days , cause the reward in form of action is so much higher in 0.0 and empirewars. But if there where a more profiteble bountysystem who could make ppl more interrested in hunting down the 'pirate scum' I might be tempted to go outlaw again
Rooker	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:33:00 - [20] Nevermind the bounty. I'll kill rats if I want to collect a bounty. Just let me hunt outlaws without the system labeling me an outlaw as well. Anyone initiating combat against non-war, positive-sec-status pilots in low sec should be fair game for the duration of the agression timer. They obviously have no regard for empire law. Why should they have its protection?

Bailian Moxtain	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:29:00 - [21] Lub u raVn666
spRAYed Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:14:00 - [22] Pod 20 people a day. 1 mill for each Pod from Concord. Then i pod myself to make 12 mill. with an alt. That alt will get 1 mill. And once the alt has killed me 20 times i'll pod him. Giving me 1 mill. Shall i keep going? ------------------------------ pArlT? Ur watching too many movies dude... ^Sig by Liu Mang
Zarquon Beeblebrox Liberate Vos Ex Inferis	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Lifewire Hi Ravn! I allready proposed this months ago and just lately in another topic "Pirating and Kali" Its not done with placing the concord-bounty. It must come along with pirates not being allowed to insure their ships. Otherwise it gets sploited. Second important thing is that the bounty payment has to be linked to the ship that was destroyed and not to the pod. For example a pirate has 100 mil bounty and gets killed in a Thorax. Piratehunter should get 6 mil ISK and 94 mil should stay on pirates head. I hope DEVs will one day code this because we pirates have been nerfed a lot, but piratehunters never got any love of CCP. Hugs piratehunters /signed. -- Lady Beeblebrox
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Lifewire Hi Ravn! I allready proposed this months ago and just lately in another topic "Pirating and Kali" Its not done with placing the concord-bounty. It must come along with pirates not being allowed to insure their ships. Otherwise it gets sploited. Second important thing is that the bounty payment has to be linked to the ship that was destroyed and not to the pod. For example a pirate has 100 mil bounty and gets killed in a Thorax. Piratehunter should get 6 mil ISK and 94 mil should stay on pirates head. I hope DEVs will one day code this because we pirates have been nerfed a lot, but piratehunters never got any love of CCP. Hugs piratehunters That is a very, very good idea. I like it. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Jenial	Posted - 2006.10.08 06:52:00 - [25] btw they already do pay them for killing people. thats the one thing i think is flawed about this sytem. You can sit out and protect low sec space from others killing people and erasing the rating just by going around killing off rats. once you are pirate you should not get a bounty for killing a pirate npc. the system should scale down down such that some one who kills several people in one day would have to spend a week wearing off the negative rating. I mean basically its rewarding them for stopping people from going to low sec space and killing people when you think about. this is the one thing i think this game needs to work on more than an other thing right now.
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.08 07:29:00 - [26] not alloy pirates to insure there ships? go to hell... --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Misinformed soldier Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 08:23:00 - [27] Edited by: Misinformed soldier on 08/10/2006 08:24:43 Alternatively concord could give an incentive that cant be quite as easily abused as player bounties. Perhaps a faction standing increase for killing (or a more substancial non monetary reward) for killing blinkies in empire. Ie kill one in caldari space and recieve a significant standing increase with the state. EvE needs something to draw more of the guys that play the "economics side of the game" involved in the real meat.
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:18:00 - [28] Quote: not alloy pirates to insure there ships? go to hell... What to do at home? Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
dennyreborn	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:50:00 - [29] as has been stated in other threads the solution to the exploit of farming yourself for isk is to tie the bounty to the last ship the pirate is in. also have it so the last ship he was in must no longer be in existance(to keep poeple from ejecting) for instance if he is flying a top of the line shuttle cap the bounty at 10k isk of the total. if in a Bs then up to 100 million would be paid. yeah concrod adding bouties to people would be nice. but concord bouties should diminish with ratting/ time. and a postive security status should counter it.
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:20:00 - [30] There is only one good solution and this would be no inssurance for pirates - this way bountys cannot be sploited. Example: Pirate has 50 mil bounty Pirate was shot down in Thorax Bountyhunter gets 5 mil ISK Pirate now has only 45 mil bounty on his head left Pirate gets no inssurance So simple But as long there are "pirates" that want inssured ships, there is no way to prevent sploiting the bountys. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/



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