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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.02 03:39:34 -
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Massive isk padding of a personal wallet Promises of action No results Clear link to the people/corp supposed to be fighting Promising a return on investment after an impossible imaginary goal is reached
Check check check check yay bingo! We got us a new scam boys!
CSM 10: Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Chance Ravinne, Jenshae chrioptera
Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Otto3d
Aerospace Corporation
7
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Posted - 2015.03.02 04:10:10 -
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Can you provide evidence of your successes such as killboards? |
Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
70
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Posted - 2015.03.02 07:49:57 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Massive isk padding of a personal wallet Promises of action No results Clear link to the people/corp supposed to be fighting Promising a return on investment after an impossible imaginary goal is reached
Check check check check yay bingo! We got us a new scam boys!
Respectfully,
1. I wouldn't call our 4 billion in fundraising in the past week "massive," but I do hope and expect the community, long-term, will invest a "massive" amount to defeat the New Order. It is in my personal wallet now for simplicity but will be moved to a segregated corporate wallet later. I am happy to provide api keys and other transparency such as monthly reports when the whole operation gets a bit bigger.
2. Yes, lots of promises of action. More action in the first week than probably any start-up in Silicon Valley.
3. Lots of results, just not the results of the past failed rebel attempts. Success takes planning, preparation, and thoughtfulness. Lots of actions and results are planned, but no revolution achieves victory in one week.
4. Yes, just like Goons giving to Gevlon for a laugh, CODE. members have done the same for us, essentially a "bring it on, and here's some isk to do it with" sort of message. And we'll take their isk. We'll take isk from anyone. It's my duty to Highsec to do so in order to defeat the New Order.
5. I have promised no return on investment. I have promised that there is the possibility of a return on investment after the clear and stated goal is achieved. Unlike New Order shares, our shares will be invested to earn a profit, much like a university endowment. However, unlike universities, I hope that the shareholder funds become eventually self-sustaining to fund ongoing rebellion efforts without being dependent on ongoing shares. It is far too early to say how this will play out, but it will likely be some sort of curve where more shareholder funds are used for resistance now than in the future, when profits are the primary source of funds.
We have 2 threads on Heroes of Highsec. To keep them both on-track, please use this thread simply for discussion and comments regarding the investment. For more general discussion regarding the merits of the Heroes of Highsec and ideas to put forth to help us win, please use the thread in Crime and Punishment.
Thanks.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4765
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Posted - 2015.03.02 08:01:11 -
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Held.
You need a mining permit to fundraise in highsec.
10 million ISK will buy you one.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
70
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Posted - 2015.03.02 10:59:17 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Held.
You need a mining permit to fundraise in highsec.
10 million ISK will buy you one.
I'm not against owning a mining permit... just as long as it's so I can put it in a drawer to look at later after the New Order is defeated. A relic of the past, like old currencies and so forth.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
516
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:02:51 -
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How come you still hang out in CODE's minerbumping channel?
http://i.imgur.com/pQCExy1.png
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
71
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:33:58 -
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Why wouldn't I? If I wanted to prove myself to be a failure like every rebel leader before me I would do stupid things like leave valuable channels, fly around solo for years to "prove myself" or do other silly things that all lead to the dustbin of EVE history.
Seriously guys, it's these sorts of trollish, or maybe seriously naive and troll-sounding attitudes that suggest the average rebel has a very low IQ. And I don't mean this as an insult at all. I want you all to eventually join me. And I'm confident that you will, so I will continue to put up with this garbage until you see the light.
Yours truly,
Your Supreme Commander, Held
PS Let's get this thread back on track by talking about the IPO not ridiculous comments like the above. I sure wish ISD would come and clean up this cesspool and get us back on track to a meaningful discussion of the posted topic.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Jim en Daire
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.03.05 14:57:10 -
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I purchased 50 shares, to support this noble cause. I will look forward to defeat CODE. It will be no problem as most of them are PvP noobs, who can only shoot at things that cant shoot back.
I can now proudly call my self a Hero of High Sec
We will win, we are stronger than CODE, the CODE will loose as it always has. |
Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
77
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Posted - 2015.03.05 21:23:51 -
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more shareholders, list updated.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
233
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Posted - 2015.03.05 21:55:36 -
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can we some action now, 4bil should be enough to buy a few catalysts
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
77
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Posted - 2015.03.05 22:04:46 -
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Lan Wang wrote:can we some action now, 4bil should be enough to buy a few catalysts
Perhaps you'd like to propose a shareholder vote... after you buy some shares?
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
233
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Posted - 2015.03.05 22:11:08 -
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vote for what?
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I am providence
Viziam Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2015.03.05 23:42:24 -
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Ok, I think some guys take this seriously. I cannot blame them - even I slowly start to consider our Held der Finsternis is actualy >not< James 153.
But therefore i have a question: Your promise right now is some kind of "attack" or "war" against a inconsistent group of players. Players who - in my opinion - actualy know pretty good what they can and can-¦t do. Especialy because Highsec is a different kind of battlefield than Lowsec, Nullsec or WH-Space.
On the other side i see: - you of course - and a undefined number of mad highsec-residents, which are rarely known for any competence regarding highsec-warfare
What are your plans against this gap of know-how ?
My Blog (german): http://theevevirus.wordpress.com/
All about trading, some PvP, some politics... whatever i want to write about
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
77
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Posted - 2015.03.06 04:26:53 -
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I am providence wrote:Ok, I think some guys take this seriously. I cannot blame them - even I slowly start to consider our Held der Finsternis is actualy >not< James 153.
But therefore i have a question: Your promise right now is some kind of "attack" or "war" against a inconsistent group of players. Players who - in my opinion - actualy know pretty good what they can and can-¦t do. Especialy because Highsec is a different kind of battlefield than Lowsec, Nullsec or WH-Space.
On the other side i see: - you of course - and a undefined number of mad highsec-residents, which are rarely known for any competence regarding highsec-warfare
What are your plans against this gap of know-how ?
Some mad residents will be really good at making isk, so they'll buy shares. Other mad residents will be good at pvp, so they'll engage in combat. Others will be bad at everything and just buy a few shares, as they just want to be part of it.
We'll trade the funds and invest for future growth, as a sort of endowment fund for highsec, using part for engaging against the New Order, while trying to ever grow the balance for shareholders to get a return. Originally, I was planning on holding off on all distributions until we achieve final victory, but I'm starting to lean toward paying a share of monthly profits out to shareholders, perhaps half of the profit to shareholders and half to a separate fund exclusively for fighting the New Order.
So far, all shareholders seem to have given isk just to help us win, or at least for some, a sort of dare to us to see if we can win with their funds. But I promised from the very beginning that shares in the Heroes of Highsec are more than just shares in the New Order in which you won't ever see anything back but explosions and tears. Our shares will give a return to shareholders as well in actual isk. All I can say for certain regarding the funds is that they will be put to good use in ending the New Order and giving people a source of wholesome fun in Highsec, as well as generating a shareholder profit. The exact means we get there will be a work in progress as we march forward. But you won't be disappointed.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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CODE Agent OA
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.03.07 21:00:30 -
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Sounds like a scam to me. Very similar to a scam tried by another really bad scammer a while back:
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/01/another-bad-scammer-in-eve.html
Even the writing style is amazingly similar.
Perhaps a fresh coat of paint (CODE instead of Goons) and a new face will bring this one more luck.
Either way it's good for the New Order. |
I am providence
Viziam Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2015.03.07 23:17:17 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote: Some mad residents will be really good at making isk, so they'll buy shares. Other mad residents will be good at pvp, so they'll engage in combat. Others will be bad at everything and just buy a few shares, as they just want to be part of it.
You didnt get the question - its more or less obvious that carebears will just give you ISK and wont join you in a fight
The main problem is the difference between the will and the capability to fight. You may gather a whole bunch of motivated guys >willing< to fight CODE. But you will >not< start or change anything if you give CODE fights where they can shoot half your fleet without problems and leave, just because your guys are most likely not coordinated and/or experienced enough to make a difference against an enemy which is better organized and experienced.
Held der Finsternis wrote: We'll trade the funds and invest for future growth, as a sort of endowment fund for highsec, using part for engaging against the New Order, while trying to ever grow the balance for shareholders to get a return. Originally, I was planning on holding off on all distributions until we achieve final victory, but I'm starting to lean toward paying a share of monthly profits out to shareholders, perhaps half of the profit to shareholders and half to a separate fund exclusively for fighting the New Order.
Question: Do you started a trading-business or do you want to oppose CODE ?
Held der Finsternis wrote:But you won't be disappointed.
Just about more than 2 weeks after your first post and the only thing you actualy did until now is gathering ISK and writing a blog. No source of information reveal a plan, no action actualy yield visible results, no action leads to some funny enterntainment. Plain nothing.
TL;DR: Most guys are already disappointed, because there are 2 possibilities: a) it is no scam - but the process takes too long, it-¦s boring and will result most likely in a botched attempt where mad, missorganized highsec-guys get an unlubed assrape b) it is a scam... it is boring and tediously...
My Blog (german): http://theevevirus.wordpress.com/
All about trading, some PvP, some politics... whatever i want to write about
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Crawlblood
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2015.03.08 00:34:51 -
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I dont understand why code. simply did not creat an anti code just to capitalize both sides from the get go. thats what I would have done... unless
Rude, Obnoxious and somewhat in you face.
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Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
912
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Posted - 2015.03.08 05:14:27 -
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Have you ever read the Art Of War?
yes
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Lament von Gankenheim
The Conference Elite CODE.
21
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Posted - 2015.03.09 04:58:57 -
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I am purchasing 10m isk worth of shares in the name of Chribba.
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
78
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Posted - 2015.03.09 07:26:33 -
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Shareholder list updated, and lots of exciting news! Please continue to see my bio for relevant links- please keep the majority of discussion not related to the shares/investment in the other thread in C&P where we go into much more detail.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
517
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:47:43 -
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Lament von Gankenheim wrote:I am purchasing 10m isk worth of shares in the name of Chribba.
I wonder if this is a violation of the terms of service.
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/
Quote:8. You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer. You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.
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Droodid
Antec Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2015.03.09 16:28:04 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Lament von Gankenheim wrote:I am purchasing 10m isk worth of shares in the name of Chribba.
I wonder if this is a violation of the terms of service. http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/ Quote:8. You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer. You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.
Considering the OP updated his shareholder list to include Chribba I'd assume so. Ban everyone involved! |
Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
81
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:33:39 -
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Droodid wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Lament von Gankenheim wrote:I am purchasing 10m isk worth of shares in the name of Chribba.
I wonder if this is a violation of the terms of service. http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/ Quote:8. You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer. You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity. Considering the OP updated his shareholder list to include Chribba I'd assume so. Ban everyone involved!
New Order alts should really think their posts trough first given how common it is for New Order guys to buy New Order shares for others. I have done everything to be 100% transparent. I never say that someone bought shares who didn't. The shareholder list represents everyone who bought shares and those who were gifted shares by others, with as you quote, documentation. Soon, all shareholders will have actual in-game shares. Your form of logic would mean that no one could ever use another player's name in any context. Please stop harassing me by suggesting I'm breaking rules which I am not.
Please stop trolling this thread guys.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Droodid
Antec Enterprises
27
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:04:05 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote: New Order alts should really think their posts trough first given how common it is for New Order guys to buy New Order shares for others.
Just because it's common does not make it legal.
Held der Finsternis wrote:I never say that someone bought shares who didn't.
Actually, you do. It states quite clearly in the OP a list of "Investors", where Chribba is listed. Therefore you list him as having invested, you make no effort to show that the shares were bought by a third party.
Case in point, I'd like to pledge 1 share for each of the following:
CCP Habakuk CCP Loktofeit CCP RedDawn CCP Bosun CCP Fozzie CCP Snorlax CCP FoxFour CCP Atropos CCP Falcon CCP karkur CCP Darwin CCP Phantom CCP Logibro CCP Claymore CCP Maxwell CCP Puck CCP Sledgehammer CCP DeNormalized CCP Affinity CCP Surge
GM Grave GM Arcade GM Lelouch GM Bjorn GM Stardust GM Bigglesworth GM Pyro GM Akilian GM Karidor GM Luthor GM Spiral GM Ood GM Smiley GM Cydonnia GM Oblivion GM Nythanos GM Stinger GM The Doctor GM Spider GM Eleriana
I may have just broken the EULA for "impersonating" CCP personnel, but I'll take the (hopefully) temporary ban and I look forward to you updating the "Investor" list to show that CCP and the GMs directly support your efforts!
P.S. If I do get permabanned, everyone I have ISK invested in can just keep it. |
Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec Heroes of Highsec Alliance
81
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:32:14 -
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Droodid wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote: New Order alts should really think their posts trough first given how common it is for New Order guys to buy New Order shares for others.
Just because it's common does not make it legal. Held der Finsternis wrote:I never say that someone bought shares who didn't. Actually, you do. It states quite clearly in the OP a list of "Investors", where Chribba is listed. Therefore you list him as having invested, you make no effort to show that the shares were bought by a third party. Case in point, I'd like to pledge 1 share for each of the following: CCP Habakuk CCP Loktofeit CCP RedDawn CCP Bosun CCP Fozzie CCP Snorlax CCP FoxFour CCP Atropos CCP Falcon CCP karkur CCP Darwin CCP Phantom CCP Logibro CCP Claymore CCP Maxwell CCP Puck CCP Sledgehammer CCP DeNormalized CCP Affinity CCP Surge GM Grave GM Arcade GM Lelouch GM Bjorn GM Stardust GM Bigglesworth GM Pyro GM Akilian GM Karidor GM Luthor GM Spiral GM Ood GM Smiley GM Cydonnia GM Oblivion GM Nythanos GM Stinger GM The Doctor GM Spider GM Eleriana I may have just broken the EULA for "impersonating" CCP personnel, but I'll take the (hopefully) temporary ban and I look forward to you updating the "Investor" list to show that CCP and the GMs directly support your efforts! P.S. If I do get permabanned, everyone I have ISK invested in can just keep it.
Thanks for following procedure and publicly documenting your gifts (confirmed 40m received), updating now...
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
236
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:34:02 -
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YES LETS LOCK THIS SH!T NOW \o/
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Droodid
Antec Enterprises
28
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:38:37 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote: Thanks for following procedure and publicly documenting your gifts (confirmed 40m received), updating now...
My favourite part is the edited OP!
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec Heroes of Highsec Alliance
81
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:47:50 -
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Droodid wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote: Thanks for following procedure and publicly documenting your gifts (confirmed 40m received), updating now...
My favourite part is the edited OP!
Thanks for helping to improve Highsec and the IPO. I will be adding a "GIFT" tag to all shares gifted to others until the shareholders buy at least 1 share in their own names.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
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Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
3767
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:54:09 -
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Contact me Ingame.
-áGÖÑ-á
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Droodid
Antec Enterprises
28
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:47:03 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:Droodid wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote: Thanks for following procedure and publicly documenting your gifts (confirmed 40m received), updating now...
My favourite part is the edited OP! Thanks for helping to improve Highsec and the IPO. I will be adding a "GIFT" tag to all shares gifted to others until the shareholders buy at least 1 share in their own names. Also, congrats on giving us content for another Heroes story! I consider you to be, ironically, a Hero of Highsec!
Frankly, if it forces you to actually differentiate between "pledges" and "gifts", then I've done what I set out to do. |
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