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whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:07:00 - [1] Ok as the title says, could you guys post some example of this thats happened in the past and the outcome of it. Please please please, no smacking, just examples. Example 1 9-4
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:09:00 - [2] Ars Celestis. Left HF, station remain under their management for a quite long time (few days i think). Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:11:00 - [3] Didn't that happen in Cloud Ring when Goonswarm first took the conq from d2? (forget the system name, its the one with the 10/10)
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:14:00 - [4] Taken from another forum post by grizouh/Tri Optimum/Dusk and Dawn Quote: the station in 9-4 loves to be bugged anyway, remember situations after stv + .fsp left d2, lost sov of course due to no alliance, goon took over 9-4 1 or 2 days later, -y- was founded, next dt sov went back to -y- as goons did not had the majority on posses at that stage of war and we could not shoot at the station to get it back from goons. it took the gm¦s quite long to sort that out... (which was really important for us as the xzh station was in goon hand, too). later goons were able to shoot at the station even though not having sov, same was able to us when goon had sov... (but station did not take any dam) anyway, i see nothing wrong in conquering stations even if the conq. corp is not an alliance-member. they will not hold it for a long time anyway and if the old holding corp messed it up (by leaving the alliance) its not the conquerers fault. i did not know that non alliance corps are not allowed to take them over, thought the safety of stations lays in the pos + sov system which is restricted to alliances.
Azriel Dregg Caldari The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:14:00 - [5] An incident involving a corp within the alliance who placed the final blow on a station accidently happened maybe 4-5 months. GMs responded that the corp in question needs to leave the alliance in order for the station to become capturable again, which was executed and station hands changed. Not directly comparable as we did not have a non-alliance member try shoot at the station after the holding corp temporarily left alliance... I've been in other systems thou where alliance holding Sov wasn't the alliance holding the station, and as as a 3rd party I was able to lock and shoot the station in question.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:17:00 - [6] When Art of War left Veritas we spent two weeks making sure pos were properly exchanged and that V were ready to shoot the station in 1V- once we left the alliance. Additionally it happened J-LO when KOS first took the station, a corp called "42nd Armored" took the station (after it being claimed by V corps although KOS had sovereignty), the corp was kicked from KOS for 24hours so it could be switched to another KOS corp. There's also lots of examples in the south east where the controling alliance didn't neccesarily have sovereignty, C-J was held onto for 3/4 days before red alliance (who had sov) could actually take it.
Azriel Dregg Caldari The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Azriel Dregg on 06/10/2006 14:30:50 Edited by: Azriel Dregg on 06/10/2006 14:29:42 Originally by: Pepperami Additionally it happened J-LO when KOS first took the station, a corp called "42nd Armored" took the station (after it being claimed by V corps although KOS had sovereignty), the corp was kicked from KOS for 24hours so it could be switched to another KOS corp. . Seems like we've had our fair share of these . It also happened in N7- with another corp and I recall that -V- captured 4-E as well while KOS had Sov, though this could be immidiately shot back to the station holding corp in KOS. All of this was expected behaviour. We regularly kept shooting at stations with non-sov holding alliances while the sov holding alliance sent all but to-be holding corp to a SS in order to avoid accidents (995, P7, M53, F2A, C-J, N7, F-EM, Q-GQ, 4-E, ....). FCs knew the station could be shot at by the alliance holding Sov even if someone else did the final blow, so there wasn't any need for coalition alliances to stop shooting. Everyone knew thou if the wrong Sov Holding Alliance member corp placed the final blow, things would get messy.
Raivi Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:37:00 - [8] When Four Horsemen left the Big Blue after the MC war, the station in 8mg remained in their possession, but shootable because of the sovereignty of the system was Big Blue. Big Blue didn't technically get it back until it was taken by hostiles (SAS I think) and then re-taken by Eve-Uni.
Gen Maton Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Evil Thug Ars Celestis. Left HF, station remain under their management for a quite long time (few days i think). We tried for months to get the ownership of the station moved over to the HF holding corp. Never did happen. The station remained owned by us after we left HF, but I believe it was shootable since we weren't in an alliance (and thus, no sov.) I was at a period of low playtime, so I'm not sure about that last point. It remained with us till HF could get a station busting party together.
Zafira Nasr	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:10:00 - [10] didnt it happen in 9cg/fat or h74? cant remeber :/ I think it was FAT, was a good few months ago.
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:15:00 - [11] Thanks for the replies guys
Adril Alatar Minmatar No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Gen Maton Originally by: Evil Thug Ars Celestis. Left HF, station remain under their management for a quite long time (few days i think). We tried for months to get the ownership of the station moved over to the HF holding corp. Never did happen. The station remained owned by us after we left HF, but I believe it was shootable since we weren't in an alliance (and thus, no sov.) I was at a period of low playtime, so I'm not sure about that last point. It remained with us till HF could get a station busting party together. After Ars C left we captured the station again. CEO of the corp with final blow petitioned and it got transfered into the Bank of Huzzah within a few hours after capturing the station again. Same was when we captured FAT station. DDM captured it. On the next day it got transfered by GMs to the Bank of Huzzah.
grizouh Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:19:00 - [13] Edited by: grizouh on 06/10/2006 15:18:51 Originally by: whisk Taken from another forum post by grizouh/Tri Optimum/Dusk and Dawn Quote: the station in 9-4 loves to be bugged anyway, remember situations after stv + .fsp left d2, lost sov of course due to no alliance, goon took over 9-4 1 or 2 days later, -y- was founded, next dt sov went back to -y- as goons did not had the majority on posses at that stage of war and we could not shoot at the station to get it back from goons. it took the gm¦s quite long to sort that out... (which was really important for us as the xzh station was in goon hand, too). in addition: after the gm¦s resetted the station (or however you like to call it) we had to shoot it down to get it back even though it was bugged after we regained sov (i was still a member of stv - you what at that time, not d2!) so we actually brought the fleet twice to reconquer it, small difference to the handover now ;o)
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.06 17:34:00 - [14] Am sure it happened in the FIX war, corp left and we shot it. Also I think BoB had doen the same.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.06 17:50:00 - [15] How it works (as I understand it) A station can be shot if A) Nobody has sovereignty. B) If the station is not owned by a corporation in the alliance that has sovereignty. While it would be desirable for it to work like this - 1) You have sovereignty 2) There is no sovereignty And I think many people incorrectly assume it is this way, it's not codable (or isn't easily codable). Simply because it would result in a situation where some players could shoot a station, and others couldn't.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Stamm How it works (as I understand it) A station can be shot if A) Nobody has sovereignty. B) If the station is not owned by a corporation in the alliance that has sovereignty. While it would be desirable for it to work like this - 1) You have sovereignty 2) There is no sovereignty And I think many people incorrectly assume it is this way, it's not codable (or isn't easily codable). Simply because it would result in a situation where some players could shoot a station, and others couldn't. I'm sorry but you are wrong...pls head over to the other thread to discuss...Outbreak Status Report. 9-4
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Nez Perces I'm sorry but you are wrong...pls head over to the other thread to discuss...Outbreak Status Report. 9-4 Aww man. Do I have to read the whole thread? You could just say where I'm wrong about it....
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Nez Perces I'm sorry but you are wrong...pls head over to the other thread to discuss...Outbreak Status Report. 9-4 Aww man. Do I have to read the whole thread? You could just say where I'm wrong about it.... heh..its just that it would be nice to keep with the OP's intention of this being for examples.. just re-post over there and we can yap
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Nez Perces heh..its just that it would be nice to keep with the OP's intention of this being for examples.. just re-post over there and we can yap Fair enough, in the spirit of keeping the thread on it's original course, I'll fly straight over to that other thread, read nothing and post :) Moderators, if you happen to read my post, you may wish to remove this section of the thread, as it's not really contributing, and just cluttering things up.
Vailan Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.10.06 20:32:00 - [20] I believe something of this nature happened to CHIMP when 42 decided to leave the alliance...they held the station in E8-YS9 in immensea for quite a long time without sov...maybe even weeks before HASTE took it and gave it to CK1, who holds it now (I think...) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/chaosPhd/Sigs%20or%20Banners/Vailan-Sig.jpg [orange]Max signature size is 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes. Email us for questio
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Adril Alatar Same was when we captured FAT station. DDM captured it. On the next day it got transfered by GMs to the Bank of Huzzah. hmm I dont remember that.. I remember that before sovreignty was gained, we (Widowmakers) took control of the FAT station, and eventually when the CEO returned from away time, both DDM and WMKR ceos petitioned to get it transferred... something like that. ------------------ Save Deimos!
Frools No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Hans Roaming Edited by: Hans Roaming on 06/10/2006 17:47:37 Am sure it happened in the FIX war, corp left and we shot it. Also I think BoB had doen the same. Actually it would happen a lot in the war of SA + Huzzah + friends vs FIX where when taking a station all allied entities would help out and shoot the shields down, regardless of which ally held the sov. iirc that wasnt owning corps leaving alliance, it was to do with sovereignty and reinforced mode IE all the pos of that corp were put into reinforced, after DT they no longer contributed towards sov and the system became neutral and hence the station was shootable whether thats a bug or not i dunno but it happenned a lot

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